Roxy
Roxy
Dead Queen Bitch.
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Post by Roxy on May 19, 2009 0:25:48 GMT -5
If inactives are just going to be replaced/removed from the game, what is the point in voting them out. ![;)](http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif)
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Post by Mei Yun on May 19, 2009 0:29:24 GMT -5
I wanted to talk to you about this last night before you signed off Mei, but I guess I should say it publicly anyways. I think you're being a bit too harsh on Oswald here, maybe a bit bossy. Unless he did ask for lots of help, you may be pushing him too hard, even if you have good intentions. Ignoring the whole lurkers thing, I think this is the most suspect thing happening in the team, especially after you put him on the inactive list right AFTER he posted. This may sound aggressive, but we won't find out who the spies are if we stay in our comfort zones. Well I made the "list" at that time based on what I can remember on the top of my head. And when Oswald approached me that he was catching up on things, I added him to the list. After all, he could be one of those people who like sign on for ten minutes, get a chat and just leave. I am like going to catch them and expose them. And you have said it yourself. We won't find Spies if we stay in our comfort zones. And I am not going to catch Spy if I baby and "walk" everybody without applying a bit of necessary pressure (all I asked there is for him to catch up and post his opinions) to every person that I may find suspicious. I may have been bossy but I think I did what I felt was right.
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Post by Donald on May 19, 2009 0:45:12 GMT -5
I think what she did is right.
She may have been blatantly open with her suspects, but you have to be aggressive to get reactions out of players, and most often that's one of the best ways to weed out spies from cits.
It seems like most of the players on our team aren't aggressive, and I'm one of the ones who isn't aggressive, unless if I catch somebody slip up somewhere. So I'm glad we have a player like Mei to help stir the pot. Imagine what the game would be like if nobody ever openly accused each other.
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Post by Kirsten on May 19, 2009 1:05:51 GMT -5
Donald, do you use invisible mode? If so, why?
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Post by Georgia on May 19, 2009 2:19:48 GMT -5
If you vote out someone whom will probably end up being removed anyhow - it ends in one death; not two.
Lurkers and inactives... there is a fine line between the two. The worst thing to have, is to have a bunch of inactives and lurkers at the end of the game. Especially if the majority of them are citizens.
However, I don't think lurkers and inactives should be given free passes/rides regardless of what their role may be. Oooh a Lurker might be a special citizen. So? Why aren't they participating publicly? They don't have to hide their thoughts, just their specialness.
Keeping your thoughts mostly to yourself, isn't going to help us catch Spies.
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Post by Gretchen on May 19, 2009 2:20:57 GMT -5
Hi guys! Apologies for my late arrival. But I am here and will be checking in at least 3-4 times a day. I promise ![:D](http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g221/SorintheSeeker/tophat.gif)
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Post by Donald on May 19, 2009 9:33:41 GMT -5
Donald, do you use invisible mode? If so, why? On the boards? Or chat? On the boards, I think it was that way by default. I didn't know if there was a reason for it or not, but left it that way for the time being. Chat, I don't think I'm invisible. I do log into my account from multiple different computers though, and I set it to invisible once, and sometimes that has a weird effect on what my status appears to others... If I'm invisible in chat, let me know and I'll try to fix it.
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Post by Oswald on May 19, 2009 9:55:03 GMT -5
I now understand that I need to post a lot more so you guys don't deem me a lurking lyncher. By the way I love that name. I am usually always signed into AIM at my store, so please feel free to shoot me a message. I will do the same as well.
As far as Spies, it seems to me that the idea for a Spy is to cast as much blame away from themselves and onto others as possible and I think we are seeing some pretty big examples of that right now. Also I don't think past Spies games should be brought up in this game as leverage or proof or anything because not everyone has played in these games. This is a fresh start and a new beginning for everyone.
By the way, I was not offended by Mei Yun's accusations, I just didn't understand the tone with which I received her "help", it did come off as a bit bossy, but hey she's a strong woman that knows what she wants and is confident, so we can't fault her for that right?
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Post by Amelia on May 19, 2009 11:59:38 GMT -5
I know you're just saying hypotheticals, but I don't think we should encourage people with roles to sit back. Letting the spies scare us into not speaking up robs us of our only advantage. I would very much like to be seconding this opinion. The spies will most likely be running the gamut of active range, from very loud to very quiet. The idea that anyone at the beginning with an opinion is a spy is both fear mongering and wrong. The same logic applies to the issue of the inactive. They are a time sink, and hog the spotlight. They will either be replaced, or idle out. If they are lurking though (active but keeping quiet) then I feel we have a different issue on our hands. They are causing great harm to the game by not allowing us to know of their thoughts on matters such as this. I never said that the active bossy people would all be Spies; I'm merely cautioning everyone against looking at play style as an excuse to vote someone out. Anyone can be a Spy, active, lurker, what have you. And by the same token, anyone can be a Citizen too. Play style is moot. People will lurk whether they're Evil or not. I think we need to concentrate on being active and looking for slips; asking questions and getting to know one another. So: If you were a Spy, who on our team would you most likely target for the first Exile and why?
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Post by Mei Yun on May 19, 2009 12:04:06 GMT -5
Amelia, will you be online tonight for the meeting?
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Roxy
Roxy
Dead Queen Bitch.
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Post by Roxy on May 19, 2009 12:29:15 GMT -5
Hm...I think certain people are definitely more suspicious then others. Some are trying way too hard. ![:P](http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif) But, forgive me if I'm wrong.
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Post by Ariel on May 19, 2009 13:49:48 GMT -5
Hello, just poking my head in here to see what's what. Apparently, Sam says I'm allowed to post here. ![:)](http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif) "So: If you were a Spy, who on our team would you most likely target for the first Exile and why?" - Amelia That's an interesting question, Amelia. Can I ask exactly what you hope to find out with that question?
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Post by Amelia on May 19, 2009 16:11:15 GMT -5
Hi all,
I've seen others in other teams doing this and I thought I would do the same. Here are my observations of our teammates.
Georgia - I've only talked with her once, but she seemed to have a good head on her shoulders and some solid insights into not worrying about the Blueprint when we have a looming Exile. Not enough to tell yet.
Boris - Surly and gruff, but with a heart of gold. Winner of the tiebreaker. Some great strategy prodding in chat and asks pointed questions. Not enough to tell yet.
Oswald - Haven't chatted with him yet, really. He was reactive to being accused of being inactive and reactive, in my opinion, is sometimes a guilty tell.
William - Proactive about getting in touch with me to chat last night. Was open about discussing our differing opinions on lynching inactives/lurkers/etc. Getting a Citizen vibe from him.
Gretchen - Not enough for observations yet.
Roxy - Chatted with her for a bit, but didn't really get any idea of alignment. She wouldn't be my first instinct of a Spy.
Levi - Aside from total hotness, I haven't chatted with him yet, so I can't speak to anything but the physical.
Kirsten - I haven't chatted with her yet, but she seems to have good things to say in our thread. Not enough to tell yet.
Donald - I haven't chatted with him yet and can't really tell from his posts if I have a vibe on him yet. Not enough to tell yet.
Mei Yun - Seems like a true asset to our team. And we're totally sisters!
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Post by Levi on May 19, 2009 16:24:31 GMT -5
Right now, Kirsten is my top suspect (out of the people I've talked to, which is everyone except for Gretchen and Oswald.) I had a short conversation with her. To me, it seems like she was trying to avoid taking sides, and it took a while for her to respond to what I said. Almost like she was trying to figure out the just-right thing to say. Obviously, this could easily be nothing, but since Exile is so close, there's no point in hiding any suspicions.
spies6kirsten is available (5:10:31 PM) spies6levi (5:10:31 PM): Hey! spies6Kirsten (5:10:42 PM): hey, how are you? spies6levi (5:10:54 PM): Pretty good. And you? spies6Kirsten (5:11:07 PM): good spies6Kirsten (5:11:16 PM): just reading stuff on the burg right now spies6levi (5:11:35 PM): I just did that a few minutes ago. spies6levi (5:11:39 PM): There's so much to do! spies6Kirsten (5:11:53 PM): yeah, this game seems pretty immersive spies6levi (5:12:16 PM): Very involving, to say the least. spies6levi (5:17:28 PM): You still here? spies6Kirsten (5:17:44 PM): yep spies6levi (5:17:55 PM): Any thoughts about the first exile? spies6Kirsten (5:18:23 PM): I haven't spoken to anyone nearly enough to get an impression of who I want to get rid of spies6levi (5:19:07 PM): This is so stressful, I don't even know if I can meet everyone by the Exile! spies6Kirsten (5:19:16 PM): I know! spies6Kirsten (5:19:31 PM): I'd rather vote out a suspect than someone who is just inactive spies6Kirsten (5:19:43 PM): but if I haven't had a chance to get any suspects, then I don't know... spies6levi (5:19:48 PM): I'm on the fence about that matter. spies6levi (5:20:07 PM): After all, an inactive isn't helping us out at all . . . spies6levi (5:20:13 PM): But they are not hurting us either spies6Kirsten (5:20:36 PM): right spies6Kirsten (5:20:38 PM): well spies6Kirsten (5:20:45 PM): here's one thing I'm kind of wondering spies6levi (5:21:20 PM): What? spies6Kirsten (5:21:25 PM): the spies knew each other from the beginning spies6Kirsten (5:21:43 PM): I'm wondering if the spies were people who were online at the time or had logged in spies6levi (5:22:06 PM): Like at the very beginning? spies6levi (5:22:14 PM): I wasn't on then, I wouldn't know who was spies6Kirsten (5:23:07 PM): just kind of a "would sam give a spy role to someone who wasn't already active" question spies6levi (5:23:43 PM): That depends on their application, I guess
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Boris
Boris
Idle Piece of Shit
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Post by Boris on May 19, 2009 16:52:30 GMT -5
I am taking page from Team 466244 and posting a write up on what I have observed up until this point about our team players. I feel that the discussion about lurkers is ok, but we all need to have a stronger understanding about each other to make an informed decision about who we exile. I encourage everyone else to do the same.
Georgia: Have only recently started talking to her. She believes that lurkers and inactive should not be given a free pass. When it was revealed to us that the Spies knew each other before the live chat, she did not seem too upset about the information. Would like to hear her opinion about specific players, but has been actively seeking chats and seems to want to know more about people.
Oswald: Did not join us until yesterday. From what I have observed of his posts, I believe him to be somewhat new at the game of suspicions, and was not prepared for how intense some of our compatriots would be about this game. I am willing to let him settle in a little bit . . . for now. I would be liking to converse with him, and if he wants to seem like an active participant, he needs to voice opinions, and not just post to seem like he is active.
William: Seemed genuinely shocked when Sam announced about the spies at the opening chat. Along with this, I am very much in agreement with his feelings about leadership and being vocal. I have had a one on one with him that left me feeling good.
Gretchen: Have not talked to her yet, nor have I observed anything substantial on the boards. Hot water.
Roxy: Has stated that she has suspicions, but I have yet to discover who they are from my chat with her yesterday and her posts on the board. Would get rid of lurkers, but not inactives. I want to know more about what she thinks about people. When the reveal was made in the opening chat, she seemed genuinely angry (perhaps she wished she would get to be a spy only to discover that she never had a chance).
Levi: Just recently spoke to him. Has clear feelings about other team members, and claims to be fairly new to the aim component. Want to see more, but am currently satisfied.
Kirsten: Had a short talk with her about the blueprint. Created the exile thread, which was proactive. However, her feelings about inactives are mixed. I do not see her taking one side or this other, but simply providing reasons for both sides of the argument. Need to see more of an opinion out of her now, especially with exile in two days.
Donald: Seems to be participating in the chat about the inactives on the board. I have yet to talk to him, though he seems to be trying to talk with others. Would like to see what his opinion is on other players.
Amelia: Talked to her in the team chat today, and am glad to see her post her feelings about other players. Would like to have a talk about her feelings more thoroughly one on one, but am happy to see she is taking an active role in the game.
Mei Yun: Seemed very upset and shocked at the reveal in opening chat. I do not think she was expecting the information. Has taken a very active role, and is very open about her opinions about people. I would like to have another conversation with her, however I am able to see her feelings openly on the boards. Doing well.
So in short,
Doing well: Mei Yun Levi William
Need more: Donald Georgia Amelia
On the fence: Roxy
Not doing well, currently in consideration for exile: Kirsten Oswald Gretchen
Please everyone do something similar to this. It can do nothing but help. If I have posted any incorrect information, please let me know post haste.
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Post by Amelia on May 19, 2009 17:01:43 GMT -5
Hello, just poking my head in here to see what's what. Apparently, Sam says I'm allowed to post here. ![:)](http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif) "So: If you were a Spy, who on our team would you most likely target for the first Exile and why?" - Amelia That's an interesting question, Amelia. Can I ask exactly what you hope to find out with that question? Well, it works best if people just answer it rather than me explaining it, but I guess I'm trying to figure out who people think is going to be an easy Exile, since that's what Spies go for.
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Post by Amelia on May 19, 2009 17:02:09 GMT -5
Amelia, will you be online tonight for the meeting? When is it?
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Boris
Boris
Idle Piece of Shit
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Post by Boris on May 19, 2009 17:03:47 GMT -5
Hello, just poking my head in here to see what's what. Apparently, Sam says I'm allowed to post here. ![:)](http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif) "So: If you were a Spy, who on our team would you most likely target for the first Exile and why?" - Amelia That's an interesting question, Amelia. Can I ask exactly what you hope to find out with that question? Well, it works best if people just answer it rather than me explaining it, but I guess I'm trying to figure out who people think is going to be an easy Exile, since that's what Spies go for. Ah, I was unsure about your question before hand. I would say that Oswald seems like the easy lynch in my eyes at the moment. He is, what I would consider, bait. (Not by his own volition though, i am thinking.)
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Post by Levi on May 19, 2009 17:48:47 GMT -5
TEAM 426264
Georgia - She is active enough, but a bit on the quiet side. Possibly a Spy, but right now I don't think so. (Note that on my copyrighted Spy Scale, 1 is the least suspicious while 10 is the most). SPY SCALE: 2
Boris - He is very intelligent. Seems like he's protown, but I believe that he could be a Spy trying to herd sheep, so to speak. Was very supportive of me posting a suspicion that I don't have much faith in. SPY SCALE: 5
Oswald - This guy is one of my top suspects. He is not active, yet when called a lurker, he got defensive. Probably my #2 suspect. SPY SCALE: 7
William - This guy seems genuine. He's not very active, but I got a positive vibe from him. SPY SCALE: 3
Gretchen - Just now had the pleasure of meeting her. Seems genuine, and her excuse for inactivity was valid. I'm not watching her right now, but she could easily be a Spy. SPY SCALE: 2
Roxy - Very quiet. Almost too quiet. Could be a Spy Lurker. SPY SCALE: 6
Levi - Now this guy is suspicious. Lol, jk.
Kirsten - My current top suspect. In my one-on-one with her, she seemed very disconnected. And she took a long time to reply to anything, like she was trying to make sure she said the right thing. SPY SCALE: 8
Donald - Active, somewhat. Seems kind of "off." I'm not sure what, but I'm keeping an eye on him. SPY SCALE: 6
Amelia - Don't have a read on her.
Mei Yun - Most Active Player award to her. She seems genuine, but I could easily be wrong. SPY SCALE: 4
Kirsten - Currently my top suspect, for reasons stated in my previous post.
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Post by Kirsten on May 19, 2009 18:20:52 GMT -5
Ok, first I'd like to defend myself from the accusations leveled against me! They are actually true for the most part. I've been conflicted on the topic of inactive/active for lynching. Levi caught me off guard with our conversation. So yes, I was slow to respond while I was trying to think of how I wanted to respond. I also did give him a fairly non-committal neutral stance in my responses. At the time he talked to me, I had spoken with 3 members of our team, and only about maybe 5-10 lines of conversation with each. When he started asking me how I felt about the rest of our team, I had no answer for him, because I simply had not spoken with anyone nearly enough to get an impression.
Having thought about it more, and having none of our players being inactive, or even lurking very hard at all, I'd prefer to lynch a more active player and hope to catch a spy. I think lynch all lurkers is good for the purpose of setting a precedent, and keeping spies from hiding amongst the lurkers. I think it was good back when I had no clue who was a spy because I hadn't spoken to anyone enough to know. With that little amount of conversation, chances are we hit a citizen, so better a lurker than someone active.
At this point, though, everyone is semi-active. So here is my list:
Georgia - Seen almost nothing of her. Top candidate for a strict lurker lynch.
Boris - Getting citizen vibes from him. Seems to be trying to corral the team into discussion of important issues, and I like that. Our conversation was mostly just him shooting off a few different topics of discussion in quick succession. At any rate, he seemed confident in himself and his opinions, which is giving me the early citizen read.
Oswald - I have a huge citizen read here. His posts in the exile thread seemed "new player who doesn't know what's up, but wants to help." Having spoken with him, I still agree. I mentioned yesterday to someone (Will maybe) that he struck me as exactly the kind of day 1 mislynch that usually happens, and I still hold that to be true.
William - Neutral read here, leaning slightly citizen. Talking to him I get a citizen vibe. However, he asked me what I thought about Oswald in the tune of "do you think he's legitimately busy or avoiding the game." The way he asked it gave me the impression he was suspicious of Oswald some himself and wanted to verify that suspicion with me. I told him I wasn't suspicious, and then he went on to attack Mei Yun for pushing Oswald. The change in behavior is a little shady. Something to keep in mind.
Gretchen - No read. Was inactive, I spoke with her some last night, but nothing of real consequence was discussed since she was just catching up.
Roxy - Neutral. I've spoken with her just a little bit, and didn't learn much either way.
Levi - Leaning scum. I get the feeling he was just placating me in our brief chat earlier. I proposed an idea, and he didn't really agree or disagree with it. He mentioned something about having suspects but waiting to reveal them, and I would love to see him do so.
Ok, at this point he's revealed his suspect, and it's me. I wasn't surprised about that at all, I got the impression he was suspicious of me from our chat, based on his placating manner. One thing I'm noting now is that he's suspicious of me for not taking a stance, while his earlier post in the exile thread here was him taking a very similar "torn" stance in regards to lynching inactives/actives. A little hypocrisy at play, hmm. At any rate, I'm a little less suspicious of him after he revealed his suspicion of me, simply because it's consistent with how he acted in our chat.
Donald - My top spy suspect. He's playing a middle of the pack, non-confrontational role right now. He was on invisible mode in AIM night one. He wasn't shown online, but was conversing in spies6 chat. I have no reason to disblieve his multiple computer explanation right now, but I'm still suspicious of this. Invisible mode is a nice way to be on AIM and not have to talk to people unless you wanted to (aka, would be great for spies who just want to talk with each other and avoid citizens). Finally, I joking accused him of being a spy the first night. He reacted fairly strongly to it, calling me out for fingerpointing, etc. I think he eventually realized I was just kidding and played it off as such, but the initial reaction sticks in my mind.
Ameila - Top candidate for lurker lynch. I haven't seen much from her. She posted once in the exile thread, and I disagreed with her stance entirely, but I didn't find it suspicious.
Mei Yun - I'm getting mixed reads. She changes behavior from scumhunting at times to being nice overwhelmed with the game girly girly at others. At any rate, she's been fairly active and I don't have any kind of strong suspicions here, so not a priority lynch choice this episode.
I copy-pasted a lot of that from my confessional, so I apologize if any of it is outdated. That's what I've gathered on players thus far.
Top spy suspects: Donald Levi
My vote right now would be for Donald.
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Post by Oswald on May 19, 2009 18:25:31 GMT -5
Guys are you going to be on late, my store is open late tonight but I would like to finally get to chat with some of you. I was on for a couple of hours today and didn't really get a chance to talk to many of you. I am not trying to be defensive I just want a chance to meet you guys before you form an opinion on me. I really am not inactive.
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Post by Donald on May 19, 2009 18:32:15 GMT -5
I wanted to get a better read on people before posting this, but this will be good for furthering our discussion, and getting an idea of where people stand.
Georgia - Has been around, contributed some, but I haven't seen her contributing much of anything substantial. I'm leaning more towards spy than cit with her.
Boris - Just his avatar makes me suspicious of him. But otherwise, I haven't chatted with him much. He had to leave when I came on today. He started this player-analysis on everybody, so that's a plus for him. He's definitely trying to get us all active in deciding the exile rather than letting it be haphazard.
Oswald - I don't like how he was pressured so much when he first joined the game, as he did have a valid excuse for not being here right away. He's seemed to be moderately active since then, but I don't think I've talked with him much directly, so I would like to talk with him more. He's given me a strong citizen vibe the whole game, and sounds like he wants to help the team.
William - Haven't talked with him in chat. He's been active though. No opinion so far.
Gretchen - Very inactive. I popped online today just before she logged off, so I still didn't get to chat with her. She's on my suspicions list pretty much just for lack of activity. Hopefully I'll get to talk with her before Exile though and learn more about her.
Roxy - I don't seem to have many thoughts on her right now. She's been around, but I haven't seen her post very much. I'm just a little suspicious of Roxy.
Levi - Has been very active and contributed a fairly good amount. I have a positive view of Levi and haven't seen him do anything suspicious.
Donald - 'tis me
Amelia - Haven't talked with her in chat yet. She sounds to me like she could be a lurker, as I've only seen her on the boards a little bit. I'm a little suspicious of her for that, but would like to talk more with her.
Mei Yun - Has good reasons for going against inactives and lurkers, but may be pushing it too much. I agree with her that we shouldn't be supporting people being inactive or lurking, though. I feel she did a good job getting discussions going about lurkers and inactives, it brought out players's opinions and gave us something to read on with players, but I think now we need to focus on the players themselves, and not who's active/lurking/inactive. I was surprised to hear from other players saying they find her suspicious, as I haven't gotten that vibe from her at all, just aggressive.
Kirsten - I've talked with her some. I recall being a little suspicious of her from chatting with her during the competition that came down to rey, Mei, and Ariel. I don't recall what I was reading, though, so I need to review the logs. I was getting some bad vibes though.
Players I may exile: Kirsten Amelia Gretchen Georgia Roxy
Players I think are doin good: Oswald MeiYun Boris Levi
Neutral: William
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Post by Georgia on May 19, 2009 23:08:44 GMT -5
Boris - He looks innocent. He is very inquisitive and pro-active in trying to find the suspicious characters amongst us. For the most part, if feels innocent as well.
Oswald - I haven't the opportunity to really chat with him, so for now he is a question mark.
William - The same for William. Aside from seeing him in the group chat, I haven't had a chance to chat with him directly.
Gretchen - From the little I've seen of her, I think her very non-committal.
Roxy - She is a Cage Fighter.
Levi - I think him a bit submarine. Though occasionally he does step out and voice opinions without a bit of self doubt added. I think the most notable thing is his tendency to forget people he's met.
Kirsten - After having been able to speak with her more and see what she has to say. She has good ideas, and I don't think her Spyish.
Donald - He seems sincere and sensible.
Amelia - From the little I've spoken with her. She seems to be proactive about Spy hunting, and makes some good points.
Mei Yun - She is direct, and not afraid to force people into activity, or call others out. Which is a good aspect to have on the towns side.
I'm posting this now. I was able to speak to Mei like I wanted.
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Post by Kirsten on May 20, 2009 3:02:38 GMT -5
Chat, I don't think I'm invisible. I do log into my account from multiple different computers though, and I set it to invisible once, and sometimes that has a weird effect on what my status appears to others... If I'm invisible in chat, let me know and I'll try to fix it. Why did you set it to invisible once? Levi: What do you think of my explanation for why I was slow to respond and non-committal in our earliest chat? Does that change your opinion of me, or no? Do you find that to be a plausible explanation? Donald: You listed either 4 or 5 people on your exile list. After I mentioned that I was planning on voting for you, and after it became clear that other people were also interested in voting me, you pretty quickly decided that I had your vote. You posted a chat as a reason why, explaining that I was just copying your stances. Reading through that chat, I don't see how you arrive at that conclusion at all. I encourage others to read that chat and see if you think I was just copying him. My question to you is this: Convince me your vote isn't simple OMGUS and you latching on to a wagon that you think will save your skin, because right now, that's exactly what it looks like.
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Post by Kirsten on May 20, 2009 3:12:29 GMT -5
I'm here. This thread is a very good idea, but I'm not too keen on neccessarily lynching a lurker. That tends to help Spies later in the game. An early lurker lynch wouldn't be too disastrous, and it would give us more information on the other, more active individuals.Levi: Explain to me how the orange doesn't contradict the pink.
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Post by Gretchen on May 20, 2009 3:33:21 GMT -5
Boris, as promised, here are my initial thoughts ![:)](http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif) Georgia: Good chance of being a Spy. Am unsure of her alignment as does not give a direct Citizen vibe and has been online since the start, but not as active as some of the other members of our team. Boris: Dead-set on finding "flaws" in people's stories. Will keep reams of conversations with everyone which may prove useful later on in the game. Would think, at this point, he is a Citizen. Have however only met him earlier today and didn't have any one-on-one discussions with him. Yet. Oswald: Interesting one. The "I am in over my head here" belies the nature of someone who has not played a game such as this. Would think he is aligned with the Cits but you never know. Should he prove to be a Spy, I am thinking catching him out will not be that difficult. William: Absolutely no clue. Seems to be lurking in the similar vein as Georgia. Roxi: Have not had a chance to meet Roxi as yet. Am looking forward to discussing her game plan with her further. I think she is strong and will be of value to either team she is aligned with. Levi: Very friendly and curious about my opinions in this early stage, which is great. Happy to share his thoughts and ideas. Chatters are good. Could be a Spy. Could be a Cit. It's a 50/50 at this point. Kirsten: From her posts I sense a Cit vibe, but am curious to see how she goes as the game plays out. I sense she is clever, calculating and will not slip up if she is a Spy as easy as some of the other team members. Donald: Only quickly got to speak with him this morning. He is another I am looking forward to getting to know better. Cit vibe more than Spy currently coming from him. Amelia: Has become more active on the boards since we have been throwing names around. Unsure - leaning more towards a Spy. But have not have any direct interaction with her. Mei Yun: Slightly aggressive but brings an edge to the team which I think is good for the time being. Again haven't had any one on one time with her, but I have enjoyed reading her thoughts in this thread. More likely to be aligned with the Cits. -=- As some of you know, I have been away for personal reasons and also the timezones make it difficult for me to be online when most of you are. But like I said I will be checking in at least 2-3 times a day and I am normally online for most of the evening. I look forward to catching up with everyone at some point before the first Exile. Also, if you have any direct questions for me, just send me a message if you like
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Post by Kirsten on May 20, 2009 4:20:10 GMT -5
I'm just going to keep spamming this thread:
William: I'd like you to explain what I pointed out about you in my previous post. It seemed like you came to me expressing mild suspicion of Oswald in the tune of "Is he really busy or just avoiding the game?" I gave you my opinion on him (I felt he was citizen), and then you attacked Mei Yun for aggressively pressuring him. Could you explain this?
Also, can you explain why you mentioned you would vote for me now "gun to head." I disconnected when you went to explain and didn't get a chance to hear it. All I saw was a line where you said you thought I had been wishy-washy. Your post in this thread said that Mei Yun's attack on Oswald was "the most suspect thing happening in the team, especially after you put him on the inactive list right AFTER he posted." Explain to me what happened in between that post and today that both led you to believe I was wishy-washy and also a better place for your vote than Mei Yun?
Finally, I would like to see you post a player-by-player breakdown in this thread like most of us have done. I have absolutely no clue on how you feel about anyone, including myself, except to know that you would vote me now. And that bothers me.
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Some changes in opinion after today:
Georgia - I feel pretty strongly that she is a citizen from the amount we've spoken today. I don't necessarily agree with her suspicions, but I have seen nothing from her that I consider scummy in the least bit.
Boris - I want to know who you would vote right now, and why.
Mei Yun - Looks like she completely dropped her "nice girl" act in a heated argument with Georgia. I want to ask you directly if you are suspicious of Georgia, and why? Also, can you explain why you thought Georgia was trying to get you to misrepresent Levi? I don't see that from the log. On a scale of 1-10 (1-Couldn't possibly see him as spy, 10-where is the nearest noose) where would you put Levi right now?
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Post by Donald on May 20, 2009 8:43:28 GMT -5
Hey everyone,
I want to say that I talked with Gretchen a little bit last night. I sent her a private message with a list of questions, and heard back from her, and will be sending her another message tonight. She has some good insight, but her time zone does make the game difficult for communication, so I highly recommend you all use PMs to contact her as well. It's slower than chat, but it works.
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Post by Donald on May 20, 2009 8:50:07 GMT -5
Chat, I don't think I'm invisible. I do log into my account from multiple different computers though, and I set it to invisible once, and sometimes that has a weird effect on what my status appears to others... If I'm invisible in chat, let me know and I'll try to fix it. Why did you set it to invisible once? Levi: What do you think of my explanation for why I was slow to respond and non-committal in our earliest chat? Does that change your opinion of me, or no? Do you find that to be a plausible explanation? Donald: You listed either 4 or 5 people on your exile list. After I mentioned that I was planning on voting for you, and after it became clear that other people were also interested in voting me, you pretty quickly decided that I had your vote. You posted a chat as a reason why, explaining that I was just copying your stances. Reading through that chat, I don't see how you arrive at that conclusion at all. I encourage others to read that chat and see if you think I was just copying him. My question to you is this: Convince me your vote isn't simple OMGUS and you latching on to a wagon that you think will save your skin, because right now, that's exactly what it looks like. I explained the invisible mode to you in the chat room already. I'm surprised you're still asking, but to answer you again: I am usually not at home, so I'm usually online from another computer. My first thought is I could leave my computer at home logged into my account, and just sit in the chat room logging everything to review later, becaues otherwise I'm missing a lot by not being in the chat. I thought the problem with this is that people would start talking to me, but wouldn't be hearing back from me, and wouldn't know why, so I thought invisible mode would show that I wasn't there, and then when I sign in elsewhere, I could make my status available so people know I can chat. I also realized that logging from home would benefit me whenever I'm forced to use meebo.com because even though I can't log what I'm saying, it will be logging what others say because meebo doesn't log anything. I listed 5 players I'd be willing to vote at that time. Of those, Amelia, Gretchen, and Roxy I had talked to very little, if at all. Georgia I had only talked to I think once prior, but still very little, so you were my top suspect because I had the most information on you. I never said I no longer suspected anybody else, just that if I had to vote then, it would be for you. I did have some other questions to ask you last night, but couldn't since you were having connection issues. I learned some other interesting information last night, though, and you are no longer my top suspect. Kirsten, is Levi's quote all in one post, or separate posts? If they are separate, where did each one come from? I am looking forward to your response, Levi.
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Post by Oswald on May 20, 2009 11:20:33 GMT -5
OK Oswald's turn...I have kept my mouth shut a bit because I really wanted a chance to talk to more of you, but its go time and I want to post my thoughts.
GEORGIA - Difficult to talk to. Made several attempts last night and during the chat and didn't get a whole lot from her. The chat seemed dominated by the Mei Yun/Georgia fight (towards the end) so I felt like I didn't need to even be there. Despite Georgia's curtness I don't believe she is a Spy, though she is on my short list.
BORIS - I have not talked to Boris yet, he was logging off as i was on. So hopefully we connect somehow today. I have no opinion here yet.
OSWALD - Nice guy.
WILLIAM - William is very nice. I have talked to him several times and I think he seems genuine and sincere. Not a spy.
GRETCHEN - Well again I am not sure what to think here. I have been labeled as inactive, but seemingly Gretchen mostly escapes this label. I think that's pretty suspicious. Also a great cover for a Spy would be to play how Greatchen has been playing.
ROXY - Roxy and a I have talked about this predicament for a while now, an I truly believe that Roxy is a Citizen.
LEVI I have only taked to Levi for a breif amount of time, but I think that he is truly a citizen. He seems very concerned for the Town.
KIRSTEN - Kirsten and I have talked, and I think she's a sweetie. Yes she's non-commital but its so early in the game why do we have to have 100% commitment yet. I think Kirsten is a Citizen for sure.
DONALD - One of my lead candidates for Spy. I just feel like Donald is trying TOO hard to make his case and stay just under the radar enough, and keeps trying to go with the popular opinion. Just a thought here, but there's something about Donald I can't quite figure out yet.
AMELIA - Have not met Amelia yet but she sure seems to have opinions about me. To me the classic defiinition of a Spy is throwing others under the bus to deflect attention off of themselves, I'd say Amelia is doing that nicely. One of my top suspects.
MEI YUN - Mei Yun is a tricky one. I firmly have her on my list of suspects. And here's why...on the first day I signed into this game Mei contacted me and we started chatting and I was telling her how excited I was to play and how I was trying to learn the ropes. When I logged into this board what do I find? That Mei has nominated me as an "inactive" and someone up for Exile. I just feel like Mei is trying to throw people under the bus (Georgia, myself, etc) and that seems very Spy like to me.
I would say my vote right now is torn between Donald and Mei Yun.
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