Exile Four - Discussion

I agree. I could be on tonight, more than likely.

No one is on AIM, but I can at least finish my list!

William - The only other unknown besides Pete is William. This saddens me greatly. Get on AIM! We chatted very early in the game, but there weren't any major points discussed at all.

Jason - One of the few people that I can not find anything scummy about. I think he is 100% cit, but there's always that nagging feeling that you're being swindled. SPY SCALE: 2

Khaled - Before, I thought he was cit. But Rey brought up some interesting thoughts about him. He does detailed analysis of every player, but that's all he does. He doesn't really contribute to anything else, and he never chats on AIM. The analysis makes him look like he's Spyhunting, but other than that, he's not doing much. I could be reading too much into this, but it's worth mentioning nonetheless. SPY SCALE: 4

Amelia - Hasn't given me any reason to doubt her alignment in a chat, but I can't ignore the "64 Pins" incident.
SPY SCALE: 3

Tiberius - He seems cit, but I really would like to talk with him more. He's active in the Burg, but something about him seems off to me. SPY SCALE: 4

Ed - Finally got a chance to talk to him, and I didn't learn much of anything. My gut told me that he was kind of just there, not taking any major opinions. The only opinion he's voiced to me in our two, albeit short, chats was that he was suspicious of Gretchen. Even then, he was doubting himself. I can understand self-doubt, but because this is the only thing I've heard from him, it makes me think he could be a Spy trying to hide under the radar. SPY SCALE: 5

Gretchen - Her stance on Roxy has been interesting. She's not conforming to the crowd, but her reasons for voting Roxy aren't very protown. From what I've heard (correct me if I'm wrong here), she's been voting Roxy so we can receive information. That's kind of like saying "Oh, lets lynch someone just so we can learn about other people. Who cares if she's a cit or not?" SPY SCALE: 4

This a rough estimation of my suspects, from most likely to be Citizens to most likely to be spies.

Pete/Tiberius - Not much interaction with either of them, but likely Citizens due to Almathea and Jaya votes.

Ariel - I'm not as high on her as some people, but I have to think of her as a Citizen for now. She let Almathea go, saved Roxy (who I think is probably a Citizen), voted out Jaya and was close with Yvette.

Ellis/Jason - Both voted out Almathea and Paris, which is still a plus even though Paris wasn't a full blown spy. Jason did make the initial post that ultimately led to Yvette's Exile, but it was actually Jenya who started the Yvette movement. I'm not a fan of either of their minus votes (Levi and Mirela). However, I've also talked to Jason and gotten a Citizen vibe from him.

William - I like all of his votes so far. He could be a super-lurking spy but I don't really have any other reason to suspect him so far.

Kirsten - She's built up a decent case against Levi and was one of the loudest defenders of Yvette. Obviously, I think she made a good decision on who to use her minus vote on. She would be higher on this list if I didn't have the lingering feeling that she could be a very clever and manipulative spy.

Roxy - Her bitching with Georgia is doing no one any good, but I still get the feeling that she's a Citizen. Her votes for Mei Yun and Yvette are troubling, but she did Exile Jaya. I'd like to find out what she thinks about anybody besides Georgia.

Oswald - Another player I don't have much of a read on, but leaning dumb Citizen. His voting has been all over the place leading me to believe that he is just plain clueless.

Rey - He has done a good job of squandering his early reputation as most likely Citizen. He did vote out Almathea, but his random desire to Exile Pete came out of nowhere and really wasn't justified. He also minus voted Gretchen (gross) and played a part in the Exile of Yvette. Still probably a Citizen though.

Georgia - Again, the public nastiness with Roxy is only distracting us from our real goal. I get a Citizen vibe with her, but her votes just don't add up. She voted Mei Yun and also had a weird vote for Ariel. Jaya and Donald both minus voted her, and then she turned around and voted for Donald. Trying to distance herself from Donald after he tried to save her?

Thor - He voted for Callahan and contributed to the Yvette Exile but also voted for Jaya and minus voted for Pete. I haven't talked to him much, but I'm leaning Citizen for him.

Khaled - Another Callahan voter and he also minus voted Levi. It's hard to get a read on him because he isn't around much. His analysis posts are helpful but it would be nice to hear some original opinions. As I'm writing this, he has contributed to the case against Mirela with a valid point about her "disconnection".

Amelia - Other than her woefully inadequate pin guess, I really have nothing to go on with her. I don't like her vote for Kirsten in Round 1, but everything else looks Citizenlike.

Boris - 2nd player in a row that I have never talked to. Faith brings up some good points about his complete lack of public suspicions combined with his votes for Roxy and Yvette. However, he also brought up the fact that Mirela never disconnected. Neutral right now.

Jenya - She voted out Almathea and minus voted Mei Yun, but she was the initial leader of the Yvette bandwagon. Right now, I think it is more likely that she was just a misguided Citizen and that the spies used her collection of "evidence" to Exile Yvette.

Faith/Iris - I put them together only because I'm really torn as to whether either or even both are spies. I feel a little better about Faith because of her vote for Levi. Iris, on the other hand, randomly voted Robert to avoid being on the Callahan bandwagon and minus voted for Levi. It's WIFOM, but the spies could have jailed her hoping that suspicion of her would die down. Anyway, not ready to vote either of them yet.

Donald - I never found Kirsten's case against him particularly compelling, but something just seems off with Donald. He did vote for Gross Gretchen but he also voted for Mei Yun and Yvette. I've only talked with him once and I found it difficult to get any real opinions of him. He could just be cautious, but his switch from Gretchen to Yvette suggests that he is always looking to hop on what he sees as the likely bandwagon.

Gretchen - Her obsession with exiling Roxy that was shared by Jaya plus her supposedly "drunk" freak out in the team chat and a few scumslips where she seemingly does not view herself as a Citizen. However, she did minus vote Kirsten and I'm disturbed that no one has really come to Gretchen's defense. So if Gretchen is not a spy, I think Donald almost certainly is.

Levi/Mirela - Based solely on voting, both of them don't look so hot. Mirela has Exiled 2 Citizens and Paris, while Levi Exiled Yvette and Paris. Yes, Paris was a bad guy but the spies almost certainly didn't know that. As Khaled pointed out, Boris and Levi have voted identically, including a vote for Roxy in Episode 1. Mirela's disconnection defense is quickly evaporating and my only discussion with her about suspects was like pulling her rotten yellow teeth. I've even thought that their sniping at each other could be planned, especially since the question of who Mirela was talking to was almost immediately answered. However, it's more likely that just one of them is a spy....now I just have to figure out which one.

We weren't on the same team for the first 2 episodes and we hadn't talked at all until yesterday. Our one conversation immediately raised my suspicion of you since you seemed very interested in who my top suspects were without ever offering up any of your own opinions. And I did provide new thoughts: the possible spy cooperation between yourself and Mirela.

It is completely WIFOM, but if you two were both spies, building public cases against each other (that conveniently fall apart) would be one way to convince people that you can't possibly both be spies. Also, if one of you is Exiled, the survivor looks more Citizen-like for having suspected the Exiled spy.



spies6levi (8:05:13 PM): I mean, the cases on Boris and Donald could hardly be called cases

It's possible that you had a change of heart in a matter of hours, except that you just said again that you suspect Donald. What gives?

Way to take things out of context Ed! That was from a convo about Faith's thread in which she voices her suspicions, not about Kirsten's case against Donald.

Thank you, try again.

No big deal, it can happen.

*coughspycough*

Ah, so funny Tiberius.
Hunted any spies yourself lately?
Or shall it be expected you'll follow another's vote this round again?

Sorry, what??? I have posted. I posted I thought Ariel or Kirsten would be Imprisoned. I have also posted lots of comments on the Roxy / Georgia chat which, if I remember correctly, you found to be amusing. If you want me to post a list of who I think is Spyish and less Spyish I can happily do that - don't think it's going to be particularly helpful. Plus you were already giving me grief for "not letting the spies know what we were thinking" or some such nonsense. Don't take your shittiness out on me because someone has accused you of being a Spy and you have had to defend yourself.

I haven't done a person by person post like some people have here because guess what? I haven't spoken to most of you at all this episode. My thoughts on everyone stay just about the same apart from one to two people which I am not prepared to discuss in public just yet. I have discussed these theories with 2 people who I trust, and at this point, I am happy with that. Furthermore, I have been very busy and have not had as much time this round to go through all the reams of chats and squabbles like I normally could.

My vote is sticking with William. From what I have seen he has made 2 posts in total which have something to do with the game and his thoughts on the players. I think he is lurking and isn't contributing enough to the Citizen alignment of the game anyway.

In relation to Ed's comments on me, he is absolutely correct in saying that no one has defended me. Why? I don't know. Maybe because they have changed their minds, as it would appear from the last Exile as only Ed kept his vote on me. Maybe you should ask them. Furthermore, my thoughts on Roxy have changed at this point - I wanted her gone for 2 reasons at the time:
1) I didn't think she was contributing much and thought she may well be a Spy. And if she was just a Citizen, it wouldn't be too great of a loss if we kept someone who was a Citizen who was contributing more to the game.
2) I wanted to see if she was a Spy, as a lot of information I think can probably found from the thought processes and discussions made in Episode One. If trying to gather further information about players' alignments is scummy to any of you, feel free to vote me.

Content Gretchen, content.


Very unhelpful and incorrect.
That could be a spy tactic to seem like you have no clue who is going to be imprisoned when Gabriela is taken out.


Amusing but useless.


You think i'm bringing up the fact that all your posts this episode are junk because someone decided to make a case on me?


Why not? Are you scum hunting?
Are you not concerned whether or not we actually exile a spy ?


The way this sentence is worded, you think he is a citizen.
Why are you going to vote him if you feel that way?


Oh please don't tempt me.
We don't need to exile someone to know their alignment.
We can interrogate them ourselves to see how they act,
and then draw a general conclusion from there.

Rey.
What about everyone else whom hasn't posted anything of "content" this episode?

Where are Pete? Ellis? Oswald? Amelia? Jason? William/Jenya (I think these two have, at least Jenya I think)


Oh, if you want to call it throwing under the bus, go right ahead. But if you are going to single out one person for something, then you should mention everyone whom is guilty of the same thing. As well as point out why you are singling the person out.

Stop avoiding posting how you feel.
Here you say that there are unexpected cases on us,
yet you don't say how you feel about those cases.

What I'm thinking:

"Ellis has. Oswald has an excuse. Amelia has. Jason has. William has. Jenya has.
The only other person that hasn't is Pete, and I do not suspect him whatsoever." - Rey

...Wait, what the fuck?