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Post by Rey on Jun 11, 2009 19:50:06 GMT -5
Starting early is always better than starting late!
Discussion on the forums starts now!
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Post by Rey on Jun 11, 2009 19:53:24 GMT -5
Overall Analysis [/color][/size][/center] Currently In Progress ... * Pete: Citizen Iris: Suspect Levi: Suspect Jenya: Citizen Mirela Neutral Oswald: Probable citizen Faith: Suspect Georgia: Probable citizen Ellis: Citizen Kirsten: Citizen Thor: Citizen Roxy: Citizen Boris: Neutral Ariel: Citizen William: Probable citizen Jason: Citizen Khaled: Neutral Amelia: Neutral Tiberius: Citizen Ed: Probable citizenGretchen: Probable citizen
Legend:Citizen = Extremely positive Probable Citizen = Citizen vibe Neutral = Neutral Suspect = Look more closely to them Spy = Obvious spy is obvious
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Post by Ariel on Jun 11, 2009 21:34:30 GMT -5
The first thing I notice is that no one's been jailed for Episode 5. Inactivity?
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Post by Rey on Jun 11, 2009 21:38:46 GMT -5
Iris wasn't jailed at the beginning of the episode.
But you might be right, it could be attributed to the fact that the jailor is not online.
But would Sam put such an obvious flaw in a role action?
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Post by Ariel on Jun 11, 2009 21:42:46 GMT -5
Or the Jailer was a Spy role, and it was Donald.
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Post by Rey on Jun 11, 2009 21:44:08 GMT -5
Ah, perhaps!
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Post by Rey on Jun 11, 2009 21:45:18 GMT -5
Sorin the Seeker (7:49:37 PM): that's something the union busters actually do btw
Sorin the Seeker (7:50:06 PM): well not the coat candy with laxatives things haha but going through people's credit histories (including going through trash) to find stuff like drinking problems, that was specific example i read about
A new spy role we've been informed of !
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Post by Georgia on Jun 11, 2009 21:45:27 GMT -5
Yet there was only one Jailing out of Four Episodes.
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Post by Rey on Jun 11, 2009 21:57:36 GMT -5
I think the Union Buster Sam referred to probably has the ability to look through one player's confessional.
Perhaps only one topic of it or something, but that's my speculation.
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Post by Judge Sam on Jun 11, 2009 21:59:17 GMT -5
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Post by Rey on Jun 11, 2009 22:12:34 GMT -5
I read it a couple time through since you seem to be hinting at it's importance.
I think that the photo at the bottom with the red box around it will probably play a part in the future.
It's nice to know that our confessionals are confidential though.
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Post by Faith on Jun 11, 2009 23:29:12 GMT -5
Gretchen – Donald hardcore wanted her gone – citizen
Roxy – Donald wanted her gone, voted out two spies – citizen
Levi – The vote was extremely close between Donald and Levi. There’s always the chance the vote was between two spies but at the moment I don’t think so – leaning citizen
Kirsten – Started the case on Donald + voted for him when he was exiled. However, out of everyone in this game I feel she would successfully be able to do it to distinguish herself from the rest of the spies. I have no evidence on this or whatever but I feel she is smart enough and has the skill to do it. With that said I still think she’s a citizen.
Ameila – She seemed hardcore against Donald and voted for him twice. I’d say citizen.
Rey – Voted Alma and Donald – Citizen
Tiberius – Voted out Alma and Jaya – Citizen
Pete – Voted out Alma and Jaya – Citizen
Jenya – voted out Alma, always seems to be asking important questions – Citizen
Jason – voted out Alma, not afraid to make a case if he needs to do so – Citizen
Ellis – Voted out Alma and Alma wanted Ellis out – Citizen
Thor – Voted out Jaya, always seems to be asking important questions – Citizen
Ariel – saved Roxy, didn’t save Alma, voted Jaya – Citizen
Faith – ONLY LIKE THE MOST SUSPICIOUS CITIZEN EVER!!!!! Still a citizen though. (Like seriously... I actually am).
This list leaves me with:
Boris, Oswald, William, Georgia, Khaled, Iris, Mirela
Boris – Talked to him about my suspicion of not posting in the burg so hopefully he does it some more! He told me last round the day of exile in the afternoon his suspects were Mirela, Jenya and Ariel. He ends up voting for Ed and later on in the thing Donald. Sounds werid to me. I still think he’s a spy.
Oswald – I haven’t talked to him much at all but I don’t have anything that makes him scream spy to me. I’m neutral on him but I’m more on the citizen side at the moment. Would like to talk/hear from you more though!
William – From process of elimination I think there is a high chance of William being a spy. I feel he lurks board wise as I never really remember him or his posts. He voted for Donald two rounds ago when Donald wasn’t in danger, however when Donald is in Danger he votes for Levi. No mention of why the drop of suspicion from Donald. From his post last round it sounds he was suspicious of Gretchen… so was Donald. If I had to vote right now I’d vote William.
Georgia – Again process of elimination thing, I think there is a chance of Georgia being a spy but I’m less certain on this. Again like William she voted for Donald two rounds ago when he wasn’t in danger and voted for Levi last round. However, unlike William she mentioned that she was still suspicous of Donald. Just wouldn’t vote for him because he wasn’t around. As a spy a perfect excuse for that could be 'I didn't want another Yvette to happen'.
Khaled – I feel Khaled hides behind his analysis a lot and besides that doesn’t contribute much that I can tell. He could very well be a spy.
Iris – I haven't really talked to her since people were split up back in Episode 2. The only thing about her that I find suspicious was that she was quick to point the finger at Yvette/Myself for throwing her under the bus in terms of the situation regarding protecting Yvette/Robert. I had never mentioned anything about thinking Iris was a spy so I found that a little odd.
Mirela – My vote would still be for Mirela at the moment if she wasn’t immune this round from Exile. My reasons still stand from last round. If I need to re-post them I will.
If I had to pick four people to be spies right now: William, Mirela, Boris, and one of Georgia/Iris/Khaled.
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Post by Georgia on Jun 11, 2009 23:57:49 GMT -5
Just for clarification sake.
People should check up on vote tallies, and make sure what they think is right, is actually right.
xD
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Post by Faith on Jun 12, 2009 0:21:05 GMT -5
I don't know if you're referring to me in terms of you Georgia or if you're just talking in general...?
Cause the vote tally says you voted for Donald the round Yvette was exiled and that you voted Levi when Donald was exiled. So unless you're talking to someone else or I messed up someone else... *shrugs*
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Post by Georgia on Jun 12, 2009 0:26:39 GMT -5
I'm just saying.
Because it seems like a lot of people go off of the "official" vote tally. However it has some votes mixed up.
One of the reasons you have listed next to Roxy, is that she has voted out two spies - she has only voted out one.
I know it says on the tally that Kirsten voted for Levi, when she voted for Donald. I believe it credited Iris for voting for Callahan, when she voted for Robert.
So, my point. Check things.
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Post by Faith on Jun 12, 2009 0:30:54 GMT -5
Ah yes you are correct with that on Roxy, my mistake.
I still think she is a citizen though *giggles*
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Post by Khaled on Jun 12, 2009 8:02:56 GMT -5
Faith – ONLY LIKE THE MOST SUSPICIOUS CITIZEN EVER!!!!! Still a citizen though. (Like seriously... I actually am).
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Post by Boris on Jun 12, 2009 12:08:17 GMT -5
So last night presented one of the weirdest conversations I have ever had to go through. It's telling for me since it's indicative of how much I need to be not a lurking piece of crap citizen, since I am now finding people suspicious when they think of me more as a citizen then a spy (if I have not talked to them a whole lot).
Last night I first asked Georgia if she had any insight as to why Donald and Jaya both decided to make her the Minus vote in the second round of exile.
1:12:24 AM Boris: do you know why jaya and donald both made you their minus vote?
1:13:35 AM Boris: wait, is that right?
1:13:39 AM Boris: yes, it is
1:14:36 AM Georgia: Yeah, they both did.
1:14:50 AM Boris: do you happen to know why
1:14:50 AM Georgia: We are spymates of course. Otherwise, I've no idea.
1:14:51 AM Boris: ?
1:15:06 AM Kirsten: I convinced Donald into it
1:15:10 AM Georgia: Though I did know a little bit before that live exile that Donald negative voted for me, because he told me.
1:15:11 AM Kirsten: don't know why on Jaya
1:15:46 AM Boris: maybe he told her that's what he was doing?
1:16:15 AM Georgia: I have no idea on Jaya. I don't think I had ever actually had a conversation with her.
1:16:31 AM Boris: why didn't you minus vote Georgia yourself Kirsten?
1:16:49 AM Georgia: I'll be expecting your case against me Jenya. Please don't take too long. xD
1:16:59 AM Kirsten: spies6Kirsten (8:21:45 AM): well, I'm finalizing a +vote Gretchen. -vote Ed for now. I doubt I will be able to check in again before exile.
spies6donald (8:22:09 AM): okay
spies6donald (8:22:21 AM): I'm going to try to be on again this afternoon, and hopefully chat some more with players
spies6Kirsten (8:22:29 AM): I'm choosing Ed because I have high hopes others will -vote Georgia, *hint, hint*
1:17:25 AM Kirsten: When I voted for that exile
1:17:26 AM Boris: and then only he and jaya did it
1:17:33 AM Boris: i can imagine he told her to do that
1:17:38 AM Kirsten: it was the night/morning before
1:17:47 AM Kirsten: at the time, I knew Yvette was going to vote Georgia
1:17:51 AM Kirsten: Ariel was going to vote Ed
1:18:22 AM Kirsten: it looked at the time like there was more support for an Ed exile than a Georgia one, so I -voted Ed, but pushed Donald to -vote Georgia.
1:18:41 AM Jenya: Why'd you have sway with Donald?
1:18:54 AM Kirsten: I think he might have been scared of me
1:18:58 AM Kirsten: to be honest
1:19:05 AM Kirsten: I attacked him pretty hard episode 1
1:19:06 AM Jenya: If Jaya followed Donald, it's pretty clear that the spies were working together on votes.
1:19:27 AM Boris: "anything to appease you mistress, just please don't vote me again FOR THE LOVE OF GOD"
1:19:28 AM Jenya: So it makes sense that if you're a spy, you'd be privy to the plan.
1:19:46 AM Georgia: Everyone is secretly afraid of you Kirsten.
1:19:48 AM Kirsten: this chat happened at 7 am
1:20:11 AM Kirsten: I was gone all day and wasn't on again until post exile
1:20:30 AM Boris: that's weird, since jaya also voted ed that round
1:20:43 AM Boris: though maybe she knew she was gone by that point and knew it would be a dead end
1:20:44 AM Kirsten: that's also a good point
1:20:54 AM Kirsten: if the 3 of us are spies working together, we sure sucked
1:21:02 AM Kirsten: Jaya and I cancelled out each others votes
1:21:06 AM Boris: while donald voted . . . gretchen
1:21:17 AM Kirsten: well, I voted Gretchen too, so...
1:21:22 AM Kirsten: scratch that from the record
1:21:33 AM Boris: i mean
1:21:45 AM Boris: would you vote for her again, at this moment
1:21:51 AM Kirsten: Gretchen?
1:21:52 AM Kirsten: no
1:22:35 AM Kirsten: Donald-spy on that wagon + William-top suspect on that wagon
1:23:21 AM Boris: and oh look, william voted Jenya and then levi
1:23:56 AM Kirsten: yep
1:24:06 AM Kirsten: he votes Donald twice, but isn't even top candidate in the exile that matters?
There are a few things to take away from this. Since Kirsten was the one who told Donald that he might think about minusing Georgia, he probably told Jaya that minusing her would be a safe bet. We can at least see that the spies have at the very least had some sort of voting plan in the exiles, or are at least talking to each other. I wouldn't go so far as to say that the minusing of Georgia is really indicative of her alignment one way or another, since it was Kirsten that made them think it would be OK to do.
This is the second part though, where things sort of took a strange turn, when Jenya started going through Georgia's most recent suspicion list:
1:28:59 AM Jenya: Mostly Spyish
Levi
Donald - Won't vote for him this Episode, since I haven't seen him around at all
1:29:21 AM Kirsten: I guess it's sad that Donald didn't return then
1:29:32 AM Georgia: Read. "Won't vote for my spymate Donald"
1:29:40 AM Kirsten: haha
1:29:41 AM Jenya: Seriously, maybe Sam will let her send him a card.
1:29:47 AM Jenya: Partly Spyish = Questionable Behavior
Thor
Tiberius
Jenya
William
Ellis
1:29:57 AM Boris: ellis?
1:30:01 AM Boris: why is he on that list?
1:30:06 AM Georgia: Because that totally wouldn't be obvious.
1:30:08 AM Jenya: LOL, three people in group "we kick spies asses"
1:30:21 AM Jenya: We probably had 7 of the 8 spies to start.
1:30:33 AM Kirsten: yeah
1:30:34 AM Georgia: Ellis, because he refuses to post his thoughts on people in the Burg.
1:30:38 AM Kirsten: I think I pointed that out before
1:30:44 AM Jenya: Jaya, Paris, Alma, Jenya, Tiberius, Ellis.
1:31:14 AM Boris: who are they Jenya?
1:31:16 AM Jenya: In the "most citizen category" no people from the group that exiled 3 spies.
1:31:19 AM Kirsten: you had so many spies in your team, that you couldn't help but exile a spy the first round
1:31:28 AM Jenya: More Citizen than spyish
Gretchen
Oswald
Boris
Ed
Kirsten
Khaled
1:31:32 AM Jenya: LOL
1:31:34 AM Georgia: Jenya, if you want to make a case - take it to the Burg.
1:31:42 AM Jenya: Georgia, did you use random.org for these?
1:31:44 AM Boris: why can't we make cases here?
1:32:24 AM Boris: and i have a total lack of absense in terms of possitions in the burg
1:32:29 AM Boris: yet i'm a cit and ellis is a spy?
1:32:36 AM Georgia: She attacks me for past antagonisms. then antagonises me herself. Hypocrite.
1:32:37 AM Boris: wait
1:32:38 AM Jenya: Boris, she lists you as Citizenish, which is interesting considering you've posted about three times.
1:32:48 AM Boris: no, i have a lack of positions
1:32:56 AM Boris: yeah, seriously
1:33:03 AM Boris: i should be like, numero uno on there
1:33:15 AM Jenya: Khaled too.
1:33:20 AM Jenya: He's in the most cit list
1:33:31 AM Jenya: How's that happen?
1:33:41 AM Jenya: Psychic powers?
1:33:46 AM Georgia: How about you make up a reason, and just stick with that eh?
1:33:46 AM Kirsten: I'm the only high poster from the cit list, actually
1:33:50 AM Georgia: Seems you are good at it.
1:34:01 AM Jenya: Georgia, I'm just asking relevant questions.
1:34:03 AM Boris: Georgia, why am i so high on your list?
1:34:09 AM Georgia: No, you aren't asking questions.
1:34:13 AM Jenya: Like how do you know Boris so well?
1:34:19 AM Jenya: When he's never around.
1:34:31 AM Georgia: I never said I knew Boris so well.
1:34:42 AM Boris: yeah but you're leaning cit on me
1:34:44 AM Jenya: How do you know he's a cit then?
1:34:52 AM Boris: while ellis is mr not cit
1:34:53 AM Georgia: I don't know he is a citizen.
1:34:58 AM Jenya: Sure you do.
1:35:09 AM Georgia: Did I say that Jenya? Nope, I didn't.
1:35:45 AM Georgia: I think you are more towards the Citizen spectrum, because of the vibe I get from you Boris.
1:36:30 AM Boris: if i could type a smiley with a single eyebrow going up, i would
1:36:57 AM Jenya: spies6Boris (14:01:14): i would also like to let you know of the following: i am writing up a list of my observations on the current players on our team (as team 466244 has done) and encourage you to do the same in the exile thread
1:37:04 AM Jenya: spies6Georgia (14:02:23): That is a good idea.
1:37:07 AM Jenya: That must be it.
1:37:18 AM Georgia: Is there a question Jenya?
1:37:35 AM Georgia: Or are you sticking with the made-up-all-on-your-own-regardless-of-truth-reason?
1:37:54 AM Boris: no, that was a real thing
1:37:59 AM Boris: but that was episode one
1:38:00 AM Jenya: No, I really want to know
1:38:05 AM Jenya: Why you see Boris as Cittish.
1:38:12 AM Jenya: Was it some private conversations?
1:38:12 AM Georgia: I just told you.
1:38:17 AM Jenya: Vibe.
1:38:19 AM Jenya: Vibe where?
1:38:49 AM Jenya: And when?
1:38:54 AM Georgia: Mainly a group chats.
1:39:06 AM Jenya: When's the last group chat you had with him before tonight
1:39:07 AM Georgia: *chat.
1:39:15 AM Georgia: Yesterday.
1:39:29 AM Boris: what?
1:39:36 AM Kirsten: spy chat over the break?
1:39:38 AM Boris: like, yesterday episode 4 yesterday?
1:39:38 AM Georgia: Some timezone would list earlier conversation as yesterday.
1:39:50 AM Georgia: I made an ass comment/joke.
1:39:53 AM Boris: 1:11:44 AM Boris: yo, you there?
1:12:21 AM Georgia: Yes I am.
1:39:54 AM Jenya: Can you paste us a clip of that?
1:39:59 AM Jenya: the group chat?>
1:40:08 AM Jenya: last night's
1:40:12 AM Boris: i can't, because it doesn't exist
1:40:20 AM Jenya: No, Georgia can.
1:40:22 AM Georgia: Okay, apparently none of you get it.
1:40:34 AM Georgia: When's the last group chat you had with him before tonight
1:40:45 AM Georgia: Some timezone would list earlier conversation as yesterday
1:40:51 AM Boris: oh you mean this group chat
1:40:54 AM Georgia: "when's".. from Jenya
1:41:07 AM Georgia: As I said. I made an ass comment/joke.
1:41:20 AM Jenya: So when's the last group chat you had with Boris?
1:41:22 AM Boris: sooo . . . when was the last time we were in a group chat together?
1:41:27 AM Jenya: You know, the ones that make you feel all warm an fuzzy
1:41:33 AM Georgia: Other than this one here?
1:41:35 AM Georgia: Rofl.
1:41:36 AM Jenya: Rgiht
1:42:00 AM Jenya: The ones before Jun 7, 2009, 5:34pm
1:42:08 AM Jenya: When you posted More Citizen than spyish
Gretchen
Oswald
Boris
1:42:14 AM Georgia: Last one, was before the break and I believe after I posted my list.
1:42:28 AM Georgia: The second list.
1:42:37 AM Georgia: The first list, before that was episode one.
1:42:58 AM Georgia: However, I believe some of this was covered in a recent group chat, prior to exile 4 I believe. Where Boris asked about it.
1:43:01 AM Jenya: Boris, do you have any clips of those old group chats from last week?
1:43:12 AM Jenya: with you and Georgia in them?
1:43:19 AM Georgia: Oh, you can't ask me?
1:43:28 AM Boris: ug, if i do it's burried in mountains of other people talking
1:43:30 AM Georgia: I believe one is already posted from way back in episode one.
1:43:32 AM Boris: hold on
1:43:40 AM Boris: that is not very recent
1:43:58 AM Jenya: Boris - He looks innocent. He is very inquisitive and pro-active in trying to find the suspicious characters amongst us. For the most part, if feels innocent as well.
1:44:19 AM Georgia: .. and?
1:44:26 AM Jenya: Donald - He seems sincere and sensible.
1:44:44 AM Boris: 8:55:45 PM Boris: barely, if at all
8:56:05 PM Boris: just as i said
8:56:39 PM Boris: FUCK
8:56:43 PM Boris: guys, he's here
8:57:23 PM Georgia: Fiiine. I will put you in the spy category if you insist.
8:57:25 PM Georgia: Hey Sam.
8:57:32 PM Boris: yes, my plan is working
8:57:37 PM Boris: soon, everyone will think i'm a spy
8:57:43 PM Sam: hi =)
8:57:47 PM Sam: 2 minutes left to change your vote!
8:57:49 PM Jason: Hi guys
8:58:33 PM Boris: too long have i lingered in the realm of neutral
1:44:46 AM Jenya: Levi - I think him a bit submarine.
1:45:04 AM Boris: that was when sam came online at the main chat before exile
1:45:15 AM Georgia: Is there a point to this Jenya?
1:45:23 AM Jenya: Yeah, I think you two talk in spy chats.
1:45:29 AM Georgia: Or are you going to just copy-n-paste things, and hope someone finds something out of it all?
1:45:30 AM Jenya: And that's why you know him and no one else does. :-)
1:45:31 AM Boris: oh fuck off
1:45:43 AM Jenya: Group chats?
1:45:45 AM Georgia: I already told you whom my mates are Jenya.
1:45:53 AM Georgia: It isn't my fault that you didn't want to hear it.
1:47:21 AM Jenya: Didn't Mei get imprisoned right after getting into fights with you?
1:47:27 AM Georgia: Yes.
1:47:29 AM Georgia: SHIT!
1:47:37 AM Georgia: You've discovered my ABSOLUTE BRILLANT PLAN!
1:47:43 AM Georgia: I must kill you all before you cqan expose it
1:48:01 AM Georgia: "argue" with people, then IMPRISON THEM!
1:48:16 AM Kirsten: you missed Roxy
1:48:19 AM Georgia: Oh shit.
1:48:27 AM Georgia: But, she is/was my back-up plan
1:48:39 AM Boris: you're just finishing the work alma started
1:48:49 AM Georgia: Someone I knew I could always argue with, if I couldn't find someone else.
1:49:06 AM Georgia: Ariel must be soon then.
1:49:13 AM Georgia: Too bad I didn't get to imprison Yvette.
1:49:21 AM Kirsten: what about Thor?
1:49:22 AM Georgia: Levi is on the list then.
1:49:26 AM Georgia: tiberius too.
1:49:36 AM Georgia: Who else.
1:49:43 AM Georgia: oh, I guess you could add Ellis and Jenya too.
1:50:17 AM Georgia: Hmm. Whom else have I "fought" with.
1:50:31 AM Georgia: I think I exchanged a curse word or two with Gretchen.
1:50:36 AM Georgia: Should probably add her there as well.
1:50:53 AM Georgia: Ed was just imprisoned, because he called be a stoner one night when he was drunk.
1:51:21 AM Georgia: Darn. Hopefully none of you will make my super excellent plan public.
1:51:28 AM Georgia: It would totally ruin EVERYTHING.
1:51:28 AM Boris: getting back to the topic at hand before you storm out of here, why is ellis not a cit? anything beyond him not posting in the burg
1:51:48 AM Boris: because if that's it, i should either be really spyish, or he should have been listed as a cit as well alongside me
1:51:54 AM Georgia: I don't storm out Boris. Pfft. Can't you detect the sarcasm? It is really thick in here.
1:52:11 AM Boris: i would say this is, bar none, the wierdest chat i've ever witnessed
1:52:18 AM Georgia: Because he actually said he didn't want to post his thoughts about people in the burg.
1:52:29 AM Boris: wherein i had to ask someone why they would possibly think i'm a citizen, because it doesn't make sense to me
1:52:57 AM Kirsten: haha
1:52:59 AM Jenya: Georgia, what happened to make Jason fall off your Cit list?
1:53:06 AM Kirsten: maybe it's a sign you need to step up your game, Boris
1:53:18 AM Jenya: And put Ellis on your spy list?
1:53:28 AM Boris: or the spies will think i'm an easily cowed citizen
1:53:31 AM Boris: either way
1:53:44 AM Boris: it makes for a wonderful "SCOOP SCOOP SCOOP" moment
1:54:09 AM Georgia: As well as his attitude concerning voting. It is just weird to me.
1:55:15 AM Boris: his attitude?
1:55:30 AM Boris: the only attitude i saw him use was one to ensure that paris was voted out of the plus minus round
1:56:10 AM Georgia: Yes. Mostly concerning Yvette.
1:56:28 AM Georgia: He seemed he mainly voted for her because someone told him to, which was involved with misinformation.
1:56:35 AM Georgia: *It seemed..
1:57:02 AM Georgia: I wasn't in that group, so I don't know what went on there.
1:57:17 AM Boris: i voted for yvette as well
1:57:35 AM Georgia: Did someone tell you to?
1:57:42 AM Boris: no
1:57:52 AM Georgia: Did you do it, even though you thought she could be a citizen?
1:58:09 AM Boris: i did it because i was INCREADIBLY lazy that round
1:58:34 AM Boris: why, are you insinuating that ellis did all those things?
1:58:48 AM Georgia: I'm not insinuating. That is what he told me.
1:59:35 AM Georgia: I didn't just wake up one morning, and decide that Ellis was going to go under the questionable behavior list. Then compeltely make up a conversation with him.
1:59:46 AM Georgia: *completely
1:59:56 AM Kirsten: I did that with Donald
2:00:05 AM Georgia: Though, I still haven't figured out where I got the idea for Ellis came from.
2:00:12 AM Boris: all responsible cits do that
2:00:20 AM Georgia: Make up conversations?
2:00:22 AM Boris: yes
2:00:25 AM Georgia: Alright.
2:00:34 AM Boris: was beatrix caught that way last season?
2:00:39 AM Georgia: Well, then I'm not.
2:00:49 AM Boris: no, it was donnie
2:00:51 AM Boris: that's right
2:00:54 AM Georgia: I also have proof the conversation wasn't made up.
2:01:03 AM Georgia: Unless of course Ellis and I got together and hatched the whole plan.
2:01:10 AM Boris: i'm not doubting it doesn't exist
2:01:19 AM Boris: i just think it took a while to get that answer out of you is all
2:02:04 AM Georgia: I gave my reasons.
2:02:17 AM Georgia: If you wanted an elaboration on reasons, or quoted conversations. Ask first, kay?
2:02:37 AM Boris: yeah but your reasons didn't make sense, that's why i kept on asking
2:02:55 AM Georgia: Why wouldn't they make sense?
2:03:13 AM Georgia: Why would I just pull reasons out of my ass, about someone whom I have not had much previous connection towards?
2:04:11 AM Boris: they didn't make sense because they way you were presenting the information, i was guilty of all the things ellis was, and yet you had stated previously that you thought i was citish
2:04:17 AM Boris: that's why it didn't make sense
2:06:15 AM Georgia: From my perspective, it made and makes sense. Just from the words used, it makes sense without needing an elaboration.
2:07:16 AM Georgia: I said he refused. Why would I use that word when the only real evidence to support it, is that he doesn't?
2:07:37 AM Georgia: Just because he doesn't, you can't make a direct correlation that he refuses to. It could've been due to laziness.
2:07:49 AM Georgia: Or not having time.
2:08:02 AM Georgia: Or any other possible reason.
2:08:59 AM Boris: look, whatever, i never doubted you didn't have the evidence, i just found it strange that you think i'm a citizen when any rational person that i haven't talked to a whole lot in this game should think of me at the very least neutral
2:09:09 AM Boris: but should probably be suspecting me at this point
Basically, she finds Ellis to be more of a Spy while placing me in the Citizen category. Far be it from me to say that she's wrong about her feelings about me, I just found it odd since she really had no reason (nor do many people in this game) to think I'm a citizen. At the least I should be on peoples neutral list, though it would be more realistic to think of me as a spy.
She said Ellis doesn't like to post his thoughts in the Burg, which made him spyish, while I do the same exact thing and yet I end up on her cit list when I haven't had many words from her aside from episode one.
When asked why this was, we opened up a real can of worms. Jenya at one point accused us of having secret spy group chats over the break because of a flippant remark Georgia made.
1:39:06 AM Jenya: When's the last group chat you had with him before tonight
1:39:07 AM Georgia: *chat.
1:39:15 AM Georgia: Yesterday.
1:39:29 AM Boris: what?
1:39:36 AM Kirsten: spy chat over the break?
1:45:23 AM Jenya: Yeah, I think you two talk in spy chats.
1:45:29 AM Georgia: Or are you going to just copy-n-paste things, and hope someone finds something out of it all?
1:45:30 AM Jenya: And that's why you know him and no one else does. :-)
1:45:31 AM Boris: oh fuck off
1:45:43 AM Jenya: Group chats?
Ok, so Kirsten said it first but she wasn't being serious.
Anyway, the conversation shortly degraded into a shouting match of sorts between Jenya and Georgia because of what I'm going to assume was an equally loud and angry private conversation they were having on the side.
The thing to take away from all of this though, is that it was really hard to get her to give us a straight answer about why Ellis was higher on her spy list then myself. I half expected her to leave the room before she gave me a reason for suspecting Ellis more then me (it was because of some things he had said to her in regards to the Yvette vote). Take what you will away from that, but . . . yeah, it makes me feel not so great about Georgia.
Edit: I changed our name tags to be more colorful to make that long chat far more readable. That's all.
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Boris
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Post by Boris on Jun 12, 2009 12:41:57 GMT -5
While I'm on a role, I might as well post this conversation I just had with William about his vote last round:
12:47:14 PM Boris: why didn't you vote for donald last round?
12:48:25 PM William: he was number 5, and the case didn't seem to make any progress from the previous round enough to put him above my other suspicions
12:48:45 PM Boris: had your opinion of him changed at all
12:48:51 PM Boris: because you had voted for him before
12:48:55 PM William: I know
12:48:56 PM William: twice
12:49:48 PM Boris: what made you vote for levi instead?
12:50:07 PM William: he opens a lot of cases but doesn't seem to follow through
12:50:19 PM William: and other players I've put some trust in agreed
12:51:00 PM Boris: why did you vote for gretchen?
12:51:07 PM William: why didn't you vote donald the previous round?
12:51:32 PM Boris: because i was INCREADIBLY lazy that round and not really in the game
12:51:43 PM Boris: so much so that Sam had to have a little "chat" with me about it
12:51:48 PM Boris: so i wasn't really paying attention
12:53:06 PM William: gretchen's been caught in some flip-outs when other people quoted her from the board or chat and she has a heart attack saying that she's been misquoted, but really she hasn't. And she made statements about exling roxy just because it'll give us info, and didn't seem as worried about mislyinching
12:55:33 PM Boris: going back to donald: his longstanding case you felt was not as good as levi's case last round?
12:55:43 PM Boris: because your reasons to vote for levi are a little weak
12:55:49 PM Boris: and encompase a lot more people then just him
12:55:59 PM Boris: myself, khaled, faith to name a few from last round
12:56:04 PM Boris: so i would wonder why he was picked
12:57:58 PM William: mostly because I was a little lost for good picks after jenya, so I put rey and levi as 2 and 3, then gretchen for 4, and donald 5th. I was discouraged by the fact that no one but kirsten seemed to be hounding donald, which really I should've helped out to encourage others to also speak up. And now reading back Iris had made a post against donald, as did gabby, several she made actually
12:58:31 PM Boris: oh, yeah, where the hell did the jenya vote come from?
12:59:19 PM William: that was based on her "defense" of someone
12:59:28 PM William: lemme look it up
1:00:14 PM William: shit I gotta go in 10 as well
1:00:26 PM Boris: ok
1:00:30 PM William: donald
1:00:33 PM Boris: ah
1:00:35 PM Boris: wait
1:00:39 PM William: according to my confessional
1:00:45 PM Boris: so
1:01:06 PM Boris: you were more willing to vote jenya, who defended someone you thought was a spy, then the man you actually thought might be a spy?
1:01:14 PM Boris: that is a little wonky William
1:01:47 PM William: why? is it that hard to suspect the person who is on the side of your suspects?
1:02:06 PM William: she also never opens up anything during conversation, only pushing me for more info
Ah, basically, he wanted to vote for Levi because he doesn't really follow through on his cases, which is understandable, but I would think the person he had voted for twice with more evidence against him then his reasoning for Levi would take precidence.
Along the same lines, Jenya ended up on his shit list as well for attacking Kirsten in the Donald thread. I would imagine that my priorities would be to first see if the subject is in fact a spy before going after the people defending him (even if that came in the form of an attack).
As a side note, can we start calling him Willy Wonka from now on?
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Post by Thor on Jun 12, 2009 13:01:56 GMT -5
faith, i have a question. why did you have levi, who you claimed to no longer suspect as much, higher on your list than donald, who you listed as one of your main suspects? also, don't you find it possible that a spy voted for multiple spies? they've frequently and unrelentlessly done so in past seasons, why not now?
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Jenya
Jenya
Knew Something Was Off About That Emo Freak...
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Post by Jenya on Jun 12, 2009 13:05:13 GMT -5
1:01:06 PM Boris: you were more willing to vote jenya, who defended someone you thought was a spy, then the man you actually thought might be a spy?
1:01:14 PM Boris: that is a little wonky
Boris, didn't you do the same thing about Mirela and me?
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Boris
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Idle Piece of Shit
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Post by Boris on Jun 12, 2009 13:34:27 GMT -5
I thought about it, but did not end up doing it.
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Post by Boris on Jun 12, 2009 13:37:13 GMT -5
OK, I understand better now. The difference is that I had you listed under Mirela, who I thought was scummy at the time. While still puting you near her, I was more interested in putting her at the top then the person defending her. William did the opposite.
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Faith
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Post by Faith on Jun 12, 2009 14:01:33 GMT -5
Faith – ONLY LIKE THE MOST SUSPICIOUS CITIZEN EVER!!!!! Still a citizen though. (Like seriously... I actually am).
This assumes you're a citizen. Your voting record says otherwise.
Thanks I do realize that.  I also realize the only other player who has a pretty crappy voting record is immune this round. Also, a lot of things would say I'm not a citizen. However, at the end of the day I still am one regardless of how suspicious I look.
I fully get I'm most likely going to be the one exiled this round. I'm prepared for it really and I'll understand why. I've made too many mistakes and I've made some unlucky choices in this game. However, I'm not going to give up. I'm going to keep fighting and I'm going to keep trying to find spies so when I do flip citizen you'll know that I was doing my best to help even if I was slow to start helping in the game. faith, i have a question. why did you have levi, who you claimed to no longer suspect as much, higher on your list than donald, who you listed as one of your main suspects? also, don't you find it possible that a spy voted for multiple spies? they've frequently and unrelentlessly done so in past seasons, why not now?
I also never listed Donald as one of my main suspects. I said my main suspects were Ed/Mirela/Boris and that I had minor suspicions of Donald/Amelia that I wanted to address and have them answer some questions. Amelia did and I was satisfied on what she had to say. I didn't address Levi because I had nothing new to ask him.
I found Levi more suspicious compared to Donald because I felt of the two I had more evidence on Levi. Both of them had the cases against them that Kirsten started. For Donald I pointed out the fact that he knew Paris was a 3rd party before Sam announced it but I disregarded that because of Yvette. Besides that I had never talked to the guy. Levi on the other hand I had actually talked to and felt suspicious of him from them. So I put Levi 4 and Donald 5.
There could very well be spies voting out other spies but with how things have been going for them I feel it'd be stupid. They are already on a losing battle and to vote out their own to make them look more citizen at this stage of the game I think just isn't smart. If an obvious citizen is surviving imprisonment after imprisonment and starts doing some shady things... well they are going to get caught eventually. Citizens in this game will continue to ask questions and will continue to put pressure on everyone and will always be on the look out. If there are spies who voted out spies. I'm positive they'll get caught. |
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Knew Something Was Off About That Emo Freak...
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Post by Jenya on Jun 12, 2009 14:25:15 GMT -5
Faith, did you come up with all these cases and arguments yourself, or some of them, or none of them? Can you give a little background on where you're getting your info?
Also, can you please hop on AIM? A lot of people would love to chat with you.
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Post by Rey on Jun 12, 2009 14:37:07 GMT -5
There are a few things to take away from this. Since Kirsten was the one who told Donald that he might think about minusing Georgia, he probably told Jaya that minusing her would be a safe bet. We can at least see that the spies have at the very least had some sort of voting plan in the exiles, or are at least talking to each other. I wouldn't go so far as to say that the minusing of Georgia is really indicative of her alignment one way or another, since it was Kirsten that made them think it would be OK to do. I'm the one that told Jaya not to waste her minus vote on me and to use it on Georgia. |
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 12, 2009 14:39:06 GMT -5
William:
-Votes Donald episode 1 for lurking
-Votes Donald episode 3 based on the perceived lie Donald was caught in.
-Votes Jenya into Levi episode 4.
The point Boris makes is a good one. The suspicions William had of Jenya were related to her attacking me for my attack on Donald. That accusation is only truly meaningful if Donald is a spy. Voting Jenya on a point that relies on knowledge of Donald's alignment to be meaningful is either poor play or betrays a spy with inside knowledge.
Khaled
Now that I think about it, you voted Amelia for much the same reason episode 3, or am I mistaken?
Faith
As we discussed last night:
-Votes Levi over Donald, despite discussing suspicions of Donald both Episode 3 and 4, while simultaneously providing evidence against Levi.
-Played both sides of Yvette/Donald
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 12, 2009 14:59:30 GMT -5
There are a few things to take away from this. Since Kirsten was the one who told Donald that he might think about minusing Georgia, he probably told Jaya that minusing her would be a safe bet. We can at least see that the spies have at the very least had some sort of voting plan in the exiles, or are at least talking to each other. I wouldn't go so far as to say that the minusing of Georgia is really indicative of her alignment one way or another, since it was Kirsten that made them think it would be OK to do. All 4 of us are spies. Worried about a push on Georgia, I convinced Donald to -vote her in the same chat I later used to spearhead suspicions of him. Hoping to hide our presence, we decided to completely waste our votes, even though there were 4 of us and we could have easily ensured a citizen was exiled. Jaya voted Ed, but I viciously erased her vote with a minus vote. That was one vote carefully disposed of. Donald and I were a little more adventurous, both voting for Gretchen, but Georgia decided to place a sole vote on Ariel. She wanted to distance herself from us by voting Ariel, while simultaneously tying herself irrevocably to us by having two spies minus vote her. It was a plan fit for the gods. |
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Post by Roxy on Jun 12, 2009 15:45:35 GMT -5
[18:00] spies6Roxy: who did you vote for?
[18:00] spies6Roxy: mirela??
[18:00] spies6Boris: ed
[18:00] spies6Roxy: wtf
[18:00] spies6Boris: but then that went away
[18:00] spies6Roxy: why ed?
[18:00] spies6Boris: so then donald
[18:00] spies6Boris: why not ed?
[18:01] spies6Boris: i was obviously following up on levi's thoughts
[18:01] spies6Boris: since i trust levi
[18:01] spies6Roxy: um thats bandwagon
[18:01] spies6Boris: thought donald came in at number two
[18:01] spies6Boris: good for me
[18:01] spies6Roxy: did you even have any suspicion of your own against ed
[18:01] spies6Boris: not until they were pointed out to me
[18:01] spies6Boris: since i had never talked to him until that night
[18:01] spies6Boris: or the night before
[18:01] spies6Boris: i'm not too sure on that one
[18:02] spies6Boris: night before
[18:02] spies6Boris: mirela and jenya were no longer at the top of the list thought
[18:02] spies6Boris: though
[18:03] spies6Roxy: how did they change in like 2 hours
[18:03] spies6Boris: mirela came online
[18:03] spies6Boris: and cleared up the internet connection issue that everyone was using to justify voting for her
[18:03] spies6Boris: since i think jenya and mirela are tied together, and since that placed mirela down on the list, i naturally moved jenya as well
[18:04] spies6Roxy: why do you think their together?
[18:05] spies6Boris: because jenya has told me she really thinks mirela is a citizen, and then went on to defend her a lot/ suggested they workd together on things in the "Bad Vibrations" thread
[18:06] spies6Roxy: hm...that doesnt necess. mean they both have the same allignment just because she said that
[18:06] spies6Boris: true, but i still think it
[18:08] spies6Roxy: ok then
[18:08] spies6Boris: fine
Isn't that weird?
Boris you are still at the top of my suspect list. You are not personable, say weird shit, and obviously like to bandwagon. If that ain't suspicious, tell me.
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Post by Boris on Jun 12, 2009 15:45:35 GMT -5
Well if that's all it is I guess we don't have anything to worry about.
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