Yvette
Yvette
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Post by Yvette on May 20, 2009 16:46:36 GMT -5
[17:24] spies6callahan: hey
[17:24] spies6Yvette: Hello.
[17:25] spies6callahan: so when did i supposedly tell you that secrecy was ok?
[17:25] spies6Yvette: I have already posted the chat log in the thread.
[17:26] spies6Yvette: spies6callahan (9:47:57 PM): I'm going to be perfectly honest with you ok?
spies6callahan (9:48:20 PM): I think you should've waited and seen what else you can do. What you have now isn't particularly damning evidence.
spies6callahan (9:48:30 PM): nor does it convince me.
spies6callahan (9:49:19 PM): but I won't post anything just out of the simple curiousity of what other people may say here, given your supposed leadership
[17:26] spies6callahan: see
[17:26] spies6callahan: you had said you took special care to hide this
[17:27] spies6callahan: and then its a weak case
[17:27] spies6callahan: so i followed your logic to tell you if secrecy makes your cases better, keep them secret
[17:27] spies6Yvette: But that is not what you told me.
[17:27] spies6callahan: its not what you interpreted
[17:27] spies6Yvette: You simply told me that I should have kept it secret.
[17:27] spies6Yvette: No, Callahan, it is not what you told me.
[17:28] spies6callahan: your case was bad
[17:28] spies6callahan: that was the basic idea here
[17:28] spies6callahan: you took care apparently to not let robert know about your hand
[17:28] spies6Yvette: If my case was bad, why did you not say "Your case is bad"
[17:28] spies6callahan: i did
[17:28] spies6Yvette: Or "If you had waited, your case could be better"
[17:28] spies6Yvette: This is not what you said.
[17:29] spies6Yvette: You simply said "I think you should have kept it secret"
[17:29] spies6callahan: i did not say that
[17:29] spies6callahan: not in the context of the conversation
[17:29] spies6Yvette: Yes, Callahan.
[17:29] spies6Yvette: That is absolutely in the context of the converstaion.
[17:29] spies6Yvette: Ehrm, conversation.
[17:30] spies6callahan: look, this is what you did. You went all in on a pair of twos, bluffing all the way, and then laid the cards out showing you really had nothing
[17:30] spies6Yvette: In what way did I bluff?
[17:30] spies6Yvette: My case was posted before you ever contacted me.
[17:30] spies6callahan: you kept it secret
[17:30] spies6Yvette: It is not as if I told you "Wait Callahan, observe what I do next!"
[17:30] spies6Yvette: "This case is spectacular and amazing!"
[17:31] spies6Yvette: Keeping a case secret means I am bluffing?
[17:31] spies6callahan: yeah
[17:31] spies6Yvette: I did not communicate to anybody beforehand that I had a case on Robert.
[17:31] spies6Yvette: In what way am I bluffing anybody?
[17:31] spies6callahan: its reflecting a false image
[17:32] spies6callahan: regardless, i'm sorry if you misunderstood my take on your case
[17:32] spies6Yvette: I do not think I really misunderstand at all.
[17:33] spies6Yvette: You told me that you refused to post in the thread until you had more ideas from other people.
[17:33] spies6callahan: the point is, secrecy to me is a bad tactic. I humored you so far as to say "hey, if you think THAT is what made this case good, you go right ahead"
[17:33] spies6Yvette: Then you seemed to oppose the case, but tried to indirectly accuse Robert of hiding information.
[17:33] spies6Yvette: At the same time encouraging me to hide information, and now yet again you are saying that I was bluffing the town by withholding information.
[17:33] spies6callahan: its a bad case! i just wanted to see what others thought
[17:33] spies6callahan: and if you notice, no one posted outright their thoughts
[17:34] spies6callahan: so it turned out moot anyway
[17:35] spies6Yvette: It turned out moot for you to sit back and observe what other people said so that you could take a direct stance after analyzing opinions?
[17:35] spies6callahan: since no one said anything, pretty much
[17:36] spies6Yvette: So you admit you were just waiting to form an opinion based on what other people said.
[17:36] spies6callahan: though that doesn't mean i was lying. If i tell you i'm going to flip a quarter, and if it comes up heads i'll give you $10, and it comes up tails and you don't get $10, its not a lie.
[17:36] spies6callahan: how else are you supposed to find the spy? not read what anyone else says?
[17:37] spies6callahan: hello?
[17:38] spies6Yvette: I am reading what you're saying and trying to talk in the group chat, please wait.
[17:38] spies6Yvette: Your $10 remark makes utterly no sense at all.
[17:38] spies6callahan: its logic
[17:39] spies6callahan: its basically saying if the hypothesis is false, then you know nothing about the conclusion, so the statement is true
[17:39] spies6Yvette: It's actually an assessment that I should take your word on things.
[17:39] spies6Yvette: Because you told me you will give me ten dollars if a certain outcome occurs.
[17:39] spies6Yvette: But anyway.
[17:39] spies6callahan: you're missing the point
[17:40] spies6Yvette: Am I?
[17:40] spies6Yvette: Or is the point just to give me a useless run around?
[17:40] spies6callahan: no, that would be robert
[17:40] spies6callahan: he's better at it by far
[17:41] spies6Yvette: Ah, so now you are suspicious of Robert.
[17:41] spies6callahan: no
[17:41] spies6callahan: just think he's annoying
[17:41] spies6callahan: almost worth a lynch even if he is a citizen
[17:41] spies6callahan: he doesn't listen
[17:42] spies6Yvette: That could be one of the worst analyses I've heard of a person yet.
[17:42] spies6callahan: to each their own
[17:42] spies6Yvette: Perhaps if he was told some things of insight, he would listen.
[17:42] spies6callahan: he just irritates me is all
[17:43] spies6callahan: i have no reason to suspect him
[17:43] spies6Yvette: I do not understand how someone that acts as you have, which is primarily observant and then breaks out information and claims that are impossible to follow, could expect others to listen to you and follow your opinions.
[17:43] spies6callahan: i just dont' want to talk to him
[17:43] spies6Yvette: Why not?
[17:43] spies6callahan: what information have i broken out?
[17:44] spies6Yvette: Precisely, Callahan. What information have you broken out? Besides your little "Listen, here is the situation" posts that don't make sense.
[17:44] spies6callahan: ok, i'm sorry i tried to facilitate discussion
[17:44] spies6callahan: i didn't know that was against your protocol
[17:44] spies6Yvette: My protocol?
[17:44] spies6callahan: forget it
[17:44] spies6Yvette: Callahan, you had all day and night to speak to me.
[17:45] spies6Yvette: And just now, you finally attempted it.
[17:45] spies6callahan: actually i was busy
[17:45] spies6callahan: but ok
[17:45] spies6callahan: continure
[17:45] spies6Yvette: Okay then.
[17:45] spies6Yvette: If that is your excuse.
[17:45] spies6Yvette: I will not bother you any longer. I believe I've seen all I need to.
Scum, scum, scum, scum, scum. At least in my eyes. Please let the conversation speak for itself.
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Post by Thor on May 20, 2009 16:58:24 GMT -5
i've read several different tells from him thus far.
[17:41] spies6callahan: almost worth a lynch even if he is a citizen
this speaks entirely for itself.
spies6callahan: and that my friends, is how a bad lynch would've started
when someone directly infers that lynching them would be a bad decision, though not a strong tell, it still is one.
also, he attempted to completely reinterpret something he said that seemed quite clear, which is utterly ridiculous.
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Post by Callahan on May 20, 2009 17:17:42 GMT -5
Here is the situation folks, for those of you who missed it. Little miss kick-ass decides to case Roberto, the fast talking tobacco lobbyist. *in walks Yvette to a sitting Callahan* Yvette: Oh Callahan, please tell me, what do you think of my case on Roberto? Callahan: If it was the secrecy that made your case good, you should've waited longer. *badum tiss* and scene. i've read several different tells from him thus far. [17:41] spies6callahan: almost worth a lynch even if he is a citizen this speaks entirely for itself. spies6callahan: and that my friends, is how a bad lynch would've started when someone directly infers that lynching them would be a bad decision, though not a strong tell, it still is one. also, he attempted to completely reinterpret something he said that seemed quite clear, which is utterly ridiculous. Robert is annoying. I'm allowed to hate people. When you see me actually placing votes because of it, then you may have something dearest thunder god. |
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Yvette
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Post by Yvette on May 20, 2009 17:21:01 GMT -5
Callahan, the proof is in the pudding and the chat log. You told me to wait, and Robert not to hold secrets. You are backpedaling like a fiend. Also, you have not explained the last part from the original conversation.
spies6callahan (9:49:19 PM): but I won't post anything just out of the simple curiousity of what other people may say here, given your supposed leadership
The explanation you gave me, simply does not make sense.
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Post by Robert on May 20, 2009 17:28:09 GMT -5
I've also made it quite clear in chat that I find callahan extremely scummy. He constantly tries to rewrite history. A good example is here:
spies6Robert (22:51:48): Actually, I would question how you accused mirela of a slip, with her claiming the interaction being before roles were known... When as has been said, only the spies knew. So, with her implying that as innocents it wouldnt be so suspcious, how is it a slip? At the time, if you both were innocents, roles hadnt been given out as far as you were both aware?
spies6callahan (22:51:54): so omgus doesn't apply
spies6callahan (22:52:07): it wasn't a slip
spies6thor (22:52:12): robert, callahan has already renderred that argument false.
spies6callahan (22:52:17): is was just throwing it in her face that people make mistakes
spies6thor (22:52:20): his wording was simply hard to follow.
spies6Robert (22:52:26): thor, only because he showed it from the wrong viewpoint
spies6Yvette (22:52:28): That is nothing new.
spies6Robert (22:53:17): looking back, roles were out then. But from the perspective of "maybe you didnt remember talking to me because at the time [as far as we knew as two innocents] roles hadnt been given out"
spies6Robert (22:53:26): then suddenly, it's not a slip. or a mistake.
spies6callahan (22:54:06): hm
spies6callahan (22:54:19): let me read that again
spies6Robert (22:54:59): when the two of you spoke (which you forgot about), if you were both innocents, then as far as either weere concerned, roles indeed hadn't been given out.
spies6callahan (22:55:26): alright
spies6callahan (22:55:28): that seems sound
spies6callahan (22:55:38): so it would put her in favor of the cits
spies6callahan (22:55:47): i figured this out earlier
spies6Robert (22:56:00): I have to wonder why
Firstly, look at how after the conversation (which started long before the snippet i've posted), once I sum up what had happened, he claims to have worked it all out earlier. If so, why not say something rather than arguing along?
Secondly, it is telling that he never even considered the viewpoint that at one point the two of them may have both not known their alignment.
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Post by Callahan on May 20, 2009 17:34:50 GMT -5
Robert: I was humoring the train of logic, then telling you what I thought at the end of it. I'm not going to cut someone off before they're done, that's rude. Yvette: My understanding of the situation is as my one act play would suggest. To your second point, its been shown that threads seem to more often than not take the form of the first response, as if to mimic or conform. I did not want to derail your train out of courtesy, but I never did think it was a good case to begin with. I also wanted to see who followed you despite the bad case.
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Yvette
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Post by Yvette on May 20, 2009 17:40:32 GMT -5
Yvette: My understanding of the situation is as my one act play would suggest. To your second point, its been shown that threads seem to more often than not take the form of the first response, as if to mimic or conform. I did not want to derail your train out of courtesy, but I never did think it was a good case to begin with. I also wanted to see who followed you despite the bad case. This in no way even describes your behavior. In fact, it helps support why your refusal to ever offer your opinion first aids your scummy appearance. "Derailing my train out of courtesy"? If you thought it was a poor case, you should have immediately said so. Unless you were hoping others would jump on it, which I think you were. You were also the one who started our Exile thread and waited until other people came along and gave their thoughts before you offered something. It is a continuous, suspicious trend. Put that on top of everything against you Callahan, and you are like a Spy Sundae. |
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Post by Callahan on May 20, 2009 17:57:07 GMT -5
what can i say, my milkshake brings all the...
Anyways, no I am not a spy. And I thought i did tell you it was a bad case?
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Post by Robert on May 20, 2009 18:19:18 GMT -5
Robert: I was humoring the train of logic, then telling you what I thought at the end of it. I'm not going to cut someone off before they're done, that's rude. If you was merely humouring our train of logic and seeing where it led, why exactly did you let Thor believe he'd got it wrong, before I pointed out otherwise? |
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Post by Callahan on May 20, 2009 18:27:50 GMT -5
Robert: I was humoring the train of logic, then telling you what I thought at the end of it. I'm not going to cut someone off before they're done, that's rude. If you was merely humouring our train of logic and seeing where it led, why exactly did you let Thor believe he'd got it wrong, before I pointed out otherwise? because thor's logic was so simple it didn't need continuation beyond that point. |
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Post by Robert on May 20, 2009 18:29:53 GMT -5
If you was merely humouring our train of logic and seeing where it led, why exactly did you let Thor believe he'd got it wrong, before I pointed out otherwise? because thor's logic was so simple it didn't need continuation beyond that point. So you was happy leaving a fellow member believing the totally wrong thing? Thor came to the wrong conclusion. But his logic was so simple it didn't need to continue, and as such you wasn't willing to correct him? That makes no sense.  |
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Post by Callahan on May 20, 2009 18:35:43 GMT -5
Thor is not my fellow, he's an idiot. =P
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Post by Ariel on May 20, 2009 19:17:17 GMT -5
Interesting that you seem to insult everyone who finds you the least bit suspicious, Callahan. I believe that's called "being defensive".
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Post by Callahan on May 20, 2009 19:30:51 GMT -5
thor is a sheep, pure and simple. When he starts developing his own ideas, then I'll respect him.
And I insult everyone I don't like. Their opinions of me have nothing to do with it.
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Post by Iris on May 20, 2009 20:41:10 GMT -5
Wednesday, May 20, 2009
spies6iris (6:36:42 PM): Hi Callahan! Got a minute?
spies6callahan (6:36:54 PM): for you, i have eternity
spies6iris (6:37:05 PM): LOL. Thank you. :-)
spies6iris (6:37:24 PM): Okay...I'm going to ask you this point blank. I just read the "Case Against Callahan" or whatever it's called thread.
spies6callahan (6:37:33 PM): go ahead
spies6iris (6:37:51 PM): Okay, give me a minute, I want to read it again so I can direct quote and then I'll ask you my question.
spies6callahan (6:38:00 PM): take your time
spies6iris (6:38:55 PM): Okay. This is the part I'm questioning of the chat Yvette posted.
spies6iris (6:38:58 PM): [17:33] spies6Yvette: You told me that you refused to post in the thread until you had more ideas from other people.
[17:33] spies6callahan: the point is, secrecy to me is a bad tactic. I humored you so far as to say "hey, if you think THAT is what made this case good, you go right ahead"
[17:33] spies6Yvette: Then you seemed to oppose the case, but tried to indirectly accuse Robert of hiding information.
[17:33] spies6Yvette: At the same time encouraging me to hide information, and now yet again you are saying that I was bluffing the town by withholding information.
[17:33] spies6callahan: its a bad case! i just wanted to see what others thought
[17:33] spies6callahan: and if you notice, no one posted outright their thoughts
[17:34] spies6callahan: so it turned out moot anyway
[17:35] spies6Yvette: It turned out moot for you to sit back and observe what other people said so that you could take a direct stance after analyzing opinions?
[17:35] spies6callahan: since no one said anything, pretty much
[17:36] spies6Yvette: So you admit you were just waiting to form an opinion based on what other people said.
[17:36] spies6callahan: though that doesn't mean i was lying. If i tell you i'm going to flip a quarter, and if it comes up heads i'll give you $10, and it comes up tails and you don't get $10, its not a lie.
spies6iris (6:39:38 PM): I don't really disagree with you that it's better for Citizens to operate in the open, not in secrecy. But what I'm questioning is,
spies6iris (6:39:55 PM): why were you waiting to see what other people said before you took a stance?
spies6callahan (6:40:04 PM): ah, that is simple
spies6callahan (6:40:27 PM): i don't know if you've played this game before, but the first reply counts a lot when someone makes a case
spies6callahan (6:41:23 PM): I thought it was a bad case, but out of respect i didn't say so in the post to see two things. 1) do people follow the bad case simply because its yvette, and 2) what do they do if the case is rejected
spies6callahan (6:41:45 PM): unfortunately its too early for a thread to get replies with that kind of information it seems
spies6callahan (6:41:50 PM): so i got neither
spies6iris (6:42:07 PM): Okay. I've never played Spies before, I have played Mafia...so I assume you mean specifically Spies when you say the first reply counts a lot?
spies6callahan (6:42:52 PM): yes
spies6callahan (6:43:17 PM): the thread seems to take on the same form for each subsenquent reply
spies6iris (6:43:32 PM): Okay. Since it's my first game, can you tell me why that first reply counts for more? Oh...so you're saying people will follow what the first person posts?
spies6callahan (6:43:39 PM): yes
spies6callahan (6:43:42 PM): usually
spies6callahan (6:43:52 PM): its not a set-in-stone rule, but it tends to happen
spies6callahan (6:44:01 PM): and if people just copy me, i learn nothing
spies6iris (6:45:24 PM): Okay. That makes sense. It's odd to me-- I can see Spies doing it, but not Citizens-- but this game is already very different from the games I've played. Thanks for answering my question.
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Post by Iris on May 20, 2009 20:48:42 GMT -5
(Snip to remove OOG chit chat)
spies6iris (7:01:28 PM): I will try. Thanks, really. :-) Oh, one more question for you...do you have any opinion on Thor? I haven't talked to him yet.
spies6callahan (7:02:38 PM): he's a sheep
spies6callahan (7:02:50 PM): whether or not that makes him a spy, i have no idea
spies6callahan (7:03:04 PM): i'm more for thinking he's a bad citizen
spies6iris (7:04:07 PM): Okay. Well, at least he showed up so we'll have some record of his actions. I guess that's something.
spies6callahan (7:04:28 PM): sigh
spies6callahan (7:04:33 PM): i want off this team
spies6callahan (7:04:35 PM): haha
spies6iris (7:04:59 PM): LOL. Why? At least (now) we have a fully participating team.
spies6callahan (7:05:16 PM): true, but its mostly idiots don't you think?
spies6iris (7:06:58 PM): Well, I haven't seen Khaled, Ed or Mirela say much of anything yet. I like Faith and Ariel. I wouldn't say Robert or Yvette are idiots, although I don't understand some of their tactics.
spies6iris (7:10:42 PM): If I had to guess though, Robert and Yvette are both clearly bright. If they saw that mostly everybody else was, as you say, sheep, I wouldn't put it past either of them to take the reins of the team and steer things.
spies6iris (7:10:52 PM): If I had to guess though, Robert and Yvette are both clearly bright. If they saw that mostly everybody else was, as you say, sheep, I wouldn't put it past either of them to take the reins of the team and steer things.
spies6iris (7:11:20 PM): If I had to guess though, Robert and Yvette are both clearly bright. If they saw that mostly everybody else was, as you say, sheep, I wouldn't put it past either of them to take the reins of the team and steer things.
spies6iris (7:12:09 PM): Ugh, I've been trying to say something to you and it failed to go through 4 times.
spies6iris (7:12:18 PM): That one went through? Okay, I'll try again.
spies6callahan (7:12:22 PM): yes
spies6iris (7:13:19 PM): If I had to guess, though, Robert and Yvette are both strategic players. If they saw that mostly everybody else was, as you say, sheep, I wouldn't put it past either of them (if they were a Spy, I mean) to take the reins of the team and steer things.
spies6callahan (7:13:36 PM): I could see that too
spies6callahan (7:13:45 PM): however, i think they are just misguided citizens
spies6callahan (7:13:57 PM): I could be wrong though
spies6callahan (7:14:29 PM): see, i think a misguided citizen is even worse than a spy, seeing as you can't do anything about them, and they cause damage to our own team
spies6iris (7:15:31 PM): Well, I understand what you mean. Day One public all-out battles like that (I'm talking Mafia experience now, as I never played this before) often do turn out to be two town fighting each other while the scum sit back and laugh their asses off.
spies6callahan (7:15:53 PM): exactly, and thats why i feel i shouldn't play into this game
spies6callahan (7:16:09 PM): but to ignore this is to feed the beast
spies6callahan (7:16:20 PM): so i'm not sure what i should do
spies6iris (7:17:48 PM): I don't know what to do either. IMy biggest suspect on our team was Mirela, but what I read from her most recently made me feel a little better about her. I need to reread it, though.
spies6callahan (7:18:11 PM): she's leaning town for me
spies6callahan (7:18:15 PM): although i don't like her
spies6callahan (7:18:57 PM): i'm thinking robert now in all honesty
spies6callahan (7:19:16 PM): just the way he agrees with yvette but still "suspects" her is fishy
spies6iris (7:19:34 PM): I'm rereading those threads right now.
spies6iris (7:21:45 PM): Okay. My initial problem with Mirela was how she went after you. It seemed a totally unprovoked attack. If you are a Spy, there is no benefit to you whatsoever to lie about whether you spoke to her or not. It's much more likely that you didn't remember everyone's names, than that you would lie about something that would so easily be contradicted.
spies6iris (7:22:02 PM): Then I thought maybe she was just playing in character, but I read her character and that personality didn't seem to fit.
spies6callahan (7:22:18 PM): right
spies6callahan (7:22:38 PM): that was my problem too, but then she said something about before alignments were given
spies6callahan (7:22:49 PM): and that turned out to be a point in her favor
spies6callahan (7:23:19 PM): since she missed that detail that the spies had their roles, then she's less likely to be a spy
spies6iris (7:24:02 PM): Oh! Okay. I didn't put that together...I just thought she was accusing you of having known your alignment when you talked to her.
spies6callahan (7:24:28 PM): haha no
spies6callahan (7:28:21 PM): so who do you think is the best bet for exile 1?
spies6iris (7:30:09 PM): Who's most likely to be a Spy, or who's most likely to get Exiled? Mirela still bugs me. Because plenty of people were posting all day Sunday before the alignments were handed out. I don't think she showed up at all until Monday, which means she still could be a Spy that didn't know it until she showed up. I need to go see when her first post was.
spies6callahan (7:30:40 PM): who's most likely to be a spy is what i meant
spies6iris (7:30:59 PM): Okay. Also, I don't mean posting, I mean messaging. On AIM, not the boards.
spies6callahan (7:31:38 PM): well she bothers me too, but that thing about the alignment still gets me
spies6callahan (7:32:13 PM): i just can't see a spy doing that unless they are very clever, and mirela seems far from clever
spies6iris (7:32:23 PM): LOL
spies6iris (7:32:38 PM): I'm trying to find out if anyone talked to her on Sunday.
spies6callahan (7:33:31 PM): granting similar ideas and sound logic, do you think you and i should vote the same way?
spies6callahan (7:33:51 PM): it would be much better than scattering votes every which way
spies6iris (7:34:10 PM): Yes, you're probably right.
spies6callahan (7:34:41 PM): alright
spies6callahan (7:36:14 PM): so, i think faith and ed need to be investigated more
spies6callahan (7:36:17 PM): as well as khaled
spies6callahan (7:36:48 PM): the rest i have an idea about, these three i have no impressions really
spies6callahan (7:37:26 PM): i could do a robert vote, but I don't feel very strongly about it
spies6iris (7:38:10 PM): I could probably do a Robert vote too-- out of him and Yvette, his arguments seem weaker-- but I can't get over the fact that such fights are usually town on town.
spies6callahan (7:38:26 PM): exactly
spies6iris (7:38:32 PM): Ed I will try to talk to more. Now that Thor's shown up, Khaled seems to be our biggest lurker.
spies6callahan (7:39:01 PM): the biggest thing that strikes me with robert is how he's agreeing with yvette on me yet still proclaims she's a spy. how could both be true?
spies6callahan (7:39:15 PM): but other than that he seems straight as an arrow
spies6callahan (7:39:28 PM): have you spoken to faith at all?
spies6iris (7:42:02 PM): Not one on one. We were both serious contenders in the power competition. We chit-chatted in there and I got to like her, but I haven't heard anything of substance since then.
spies6callahan (7:42:15 PM): hm
spies6callahan (7:43:29 PM): as it stands now i would probably vote robert, but i would really like to get some substance from those three
spies6callahan (7:43:50 PM): the rest are more or less on the back burner
spies6iris (7:44:22 PM): Okay. Well, let's see if we can find anything out between now and tomorrow. If not, I guess I'll hold my breath and vote Robert with you. Chances are we're likely to mislynch Day One anyway, but if Robert gets Exiled, we'll get some good information out of it.
spies6callahan (7:44:41 PM): i'm thinking the same thing
spies6callahan (7:44:55 PM): i'm also going to talk with ariel
spies6callahan (7:45:40 PM): there's a decent chance i net some votes so i want her to have something for her to judge off of
spies6iris (7:45:53 PM): That's probably a good idea.
spies6iris (7:46:10 PM): I feel more sure of Ariel than anyone, actually. Sure of her being Citizen, I mean.
spies6callahan (7:46:18 PM): me too
spies6iris (7:52:57 PM): Okay, I have to run but I'll try to talk to Ed and Faith tonight. (Khaled too, but he seems to just leave AIM on without ever being there.)
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Post by Callahan on May 20, 2009 22:36:02 GMT -5
thanks iris
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Post by Thor on May 20, 2009 22:51:27 GMT -5
i am not a sheep. i told you myself i suspected you before yvette said a thing. i brought up your name in the chat first, actually, before anyone else. i happened to have the same views as someone. this does not make me a sheep, so stop discrediting everyone's opinions by insulting them.
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Faith
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Daddy's Dead Princess
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Post by Faith on May 21, 2009 14:54:56 GMT -5
I agree that Callahan like does seem to be the most suspicious in our group and is quite likely to get my vote as he’s the only person with stories that don’t really add up. I’ve chatted with him and I’ve reread these chats over and over, slept on it and still am rereading them.
It does sound like he told Robert/Yvette opposite stories but I can understand that it could have been taken out of context from what he was personally thinking in his head. I do feel his train of thoughts on the two stories are contradictory but I personally don't feel like that makes him a 100% spy from it.
What I really don’t like though is that he had the opinion that the cases were bad but didn’t want to comment on them first. It honestly feels to me that he just didn’t want to voice his own opinions and wanted to agree with other people. That I do find suspicious.
It does seem like my vote will be on Callahan tonight. HOWEVER, as I told Khaled last night the only thing that worries me about Callahan is the fact that no one has stepped up to defend him. Right now the only person who I can tell who has remotely done that is Jenya. I would think spies would not want to let one of their own go down so early. So at the moment that does worry me.
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Yvette
Yvette
Queen of the Byrg-enstocks
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Post by Yvette on May 21, 2009 15:03:12 GMT -5
I understand where you are coming from, Faith, but that is a common difficult choice for a spy. Do you help bus your partner, do you look on with no opinion, or do you defend him? The problem is that if you defend him and he does leave, you look suspicious. It's a tough risk.
In addition, I would consider Khaled's suggestion to Ariel (See her thread) to be an indirect (Go figure, I am using that term quite a bit with Khaled) defense of Callahan. In example, it implies "Use your power on Callahan, because minority-driven lynches are suspicious!"
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Post by Robert on May 21, 2009 15:30:18 GMT -5
It's also worth noting that not only is the contradiction between the two reactions scummy, but the way he then backtracked on it, trying to rewrite history and pretend it never happened, is even more scummy by far.
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Post by Callahan on May 21, 2009 16:24:36 GMT -5
Faith, if you don't think i'm a spy, why are you voting me? Are you afraid of Yvette too?
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Belle <3