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Post by Kirsten on May 23, 2009 5:44:55 GMT -5
I have no clue whether or not Sam will let me post in the other team's workshop, and I'm sobering up right now from a fun night with my girls, so I'm just going to post here in the Burg for safeties sake! I probably will not be on much this weekend, since some of my close friends drove into town this weekend and I want to spend as much time with them as I can! At any rate, I'm making this post because I think Levi is a spy, and I would like to provide that info to everyone else, especially those who are on his team this time. --------------------- Levi is not looking for spies, or people he can clear as citizens. He's looking for wagons. He's looking for places he can put his vote without suspicion. He's looking for the easiest mislynch or the place his vote will most benefit his own nefarious ends. Early in the exile thread, he formed a case against me based on this conversation. At that point in the game, it was a decent case. I admit, I was slow to respond to his inquiries, I had only spoken to one teammate and had no clue who I found suspicious. It was a valid case, and I harbor no suspicion of him for bringing it up. However, let's see what happens from that point on. Here is a link to my private chats with Levi. The first chat there is the original chat that sparked his supicion of me. The 2nd half is the chat I had with him where I defended myself. Here's what I want to note specifically from that chat: spies6levi (3:39:04 PM): Well, now that we're chatting, who's on your suspect list? spies6Kirsten (3:39:15 PM): well, you were actually spies6Kirsten (3:39:19 PM): you were number 2 for me spies6Kirsten (3:39:32 PM): based on my feeling I got from our conversation spies6Kirsten (3:39:38 PM): number 1 is donald spies6levi (3:39:54 PM): Lol, so the feeling is mutual. Donald is someone I've been watching. spies6Kirsten (3:40:20 PM): Donald has taken what I would call a middle of the road non-confrontational approach to most topics spies6Kirsten (3:40:31 PM): I jokingly accused him of being a spy the very first night, and he reacted fairly strongly to it spies6Kirsten (3:40:41 PM): and he was on invisible mode night 1 spies6Kirsten (3:41:00 PM): which could be an accident, but could also be a way to communicate with spies without others knowing he's online spies6levi (3:41:10 PM): Hmmmmmm spies6levi (3:41:22 PM): Whne I spoke with him spies6levi (3:41:26 PM): Something seemed "off" spies6levi (3:41:41 PM): I wasn't sure what, but I'm glad to see that I wasn't the only person who noticed it spies6levi (3:41:48 PM): Donald would not be a bad choice for ExileThe last line I note especially. I was his top suspect, and I was defending myself from his accusations against me. I noted Donald was my top suspect, and he agrees with me and goes far enough to suggest that Donald would be a good choice for exile! Really? Your top spy suspect suggests an exile and you nod your head and say it's a good choice? It doesn't work that way. This right here reflects the relative insincerity of his suspicion on me as well as his willingness to hop on literally any wagon he encounters. If he were truly suspicious of me, he would be wary of me pushing Donald as a lynch choice. He would not latch on to it like a greedy begger at the side of a fruit stand. So at this point, his lynchable suspect list has grown to 2. Myself, and in a surprise choice, my own exile suspect, Donald. Ah, but let's continue. Here is his conversation with Roxy. In this conversation, you will see the true extent of the lies and manipulation employed by our dear friend Levi. Allow me: spies6levi (4:09:13 PM): Mei Yun does have a lot of evidence against her spies6Roxy (4:09:22 PM): mhm spies6levi (4:09:28 PM): But for some reason I get a wierd vibe from the evidence against her
spies6levi (4:09:46 PM): For some reason, I think she's being framed, but it's not a very strong feelingspies6Roxy (4:10:45 PM): lol sounds a little far fetched spies6Roxy (4:10:50 PM): but i guess it could happen spies6levi (4:11:24 PM): When you think about it, every wrong lynch is technically someone being framed for a crime they didn't commit spies6levi (4:11:40 PM): But right now I have NO idea if I will vote Kirsten, Donald, or Mei YunLevi both attacks the evidence against Mei, but also adds her to the list of people he is contemplating voting? Really? Could you be any more like a spy? You think Mei is being framed by the evidence (thus a citizen) but you're fine with putting her on your ever growing (but never decreasing!) list of people you're fine with voting (so you want to vote to exile citizens?). Spy found. Then, I pressure him and he responds in the exile thread: Four suspects. A tie between them? No. I find that difficult to believe. You have 4 suspects that you've cultivated throughout the episode and you list all four of them as possible choices for exile? You mean to say nothing you've seen from any of them has changed your mind at all? Nothing has swayed your opinion. Nothing has given you any indication that one suspect is a better choice for exile than another? *cough* bullshit *cough*. There's no way you found all of those equally suspicious. No, sir. You were biding your time waiting to see where popular opinion swayed, first. I'm skilled in many languages, and I will translate that above quote: "I'm a spy. Throughout the episode I have neatly built 4 cases on people who could possibly be exiled. I have ignored their defenses, or anything they have brought up beyond the initial case I leveled against them because I want to keep them as an available mislynch. At this point, I have no clue how our team's exile is going to go down. I want to put my vote where it will best serve to exile an innocent citizen, and I need to see where the rest of our team commits before I make a commitment myself. That's why I've noted that I can't decide between 4, that's right, 4 cases." Later on, it seems popular opinion swings against Roxy. And sure enough, Levi somehow manages to decide to make Roxy his vote. Amazing how he eventually arrived at that decision. It's as though he waited for others to decide and then slapped his vote on the popular wagon...but no, it couldn't be that. Could it? There is more I find suspicious about Levi. He ignored any defense I mustered, and mentioned numerous times how I was still one of his "undecided" exile choices. If he was truly trying to decide whether or not I was a citizen or a spy, he would have asked me more, looked at my defense, responded to it, and questioned me. But no. He simply brushed it aside, and I remained a suspect on his list. I directly asked him at one point whether or not my defense influenced his decision of me, and he did not respond to it. He claims he missed the question, which is certainly possible, but even so... He was original suspicious of me for not taking solid stances. I laid down some preeeettyy solid stances in our exile thread, and he didn't even acknowledge them. If I had been the suspect the majority of my team agreed upon voting, not Roxy, I can guarantee Levi's vote would have been there, helping push along the misexile. There is his agreement with my case on Donald, which seems scummy considering I was his top suspect and he is agreeing with me that my choice makes a good exile. There is the fact that nobody on our team ever moves from on his suspect list to his citizen list throughout the episode. His list of suspects constantly grew, but never decreased. You can even get the distinct impression from looking at chats he's had that he is writing down everything you say as a possible case to be brought against you later, and not genuinely chatting with you in an attempt to learn your alignment. He's not looking for spies. He's looking for exiles. ---------------------------------------------------- In my zealousness I got a bit long winded. I apologize. I am willing to break this down into simpler sections if people are unwilling to wade through the extent of my case here, but I feel fairly strongly that Levi is a spy, and I suggest team "May or may not be alive" should strongly consider him as an exile option this Episode. |
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Post by Yvette on May 23, 2009 12:16:34 GMT -5
Because I had Levi on my suspect list at the end of Week 1 for alternative reasons combined with what I attributed to be some suspicious lack of leadership and coddling up to other people, I would say that this case does a very good job of bringing my personal thoughts and gut feelings to fruition.
However, and I am certainly the most guilty person of this in the burg, I think that we have seen before with Callahan, when we accuse someone of definitely being a spy, we tend to write them off and do not really let them defend themselves. Callahan certainly did not try, which made us push even harder, but I want to see what Levi has to say about all of this before I am sold on "Spy caught."
However, I will say that the contradictions are extremely damning evidence for so early in the game. There is no point to follow your top suspect's advice. People claim that Robert and I did this on the Callahan case, but we did not, as you can reference on your own our separate conversations with him. Levi, however, I do not believe really has an excuse here.
And in combination with "I think Mei Yun is being framed" and then "I might vote Mei Yun", that is ridiculously far fetched to me.
In addition, this makes me think that Roxy is more likely to be a citizen. And Kirsten yet again moves up on my citizen list.
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Post by Rey on May 23, 2009 12:29:56 GMT -5
Okay I wasn't quite sure how to answer this.
I think Yvette pretty much summarized how I feel.
Man Yvette, you are so much better with words than I am.
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Post by Rey on May 23, 2009 12:50:42 GMT -5
spies6levi (8:27:30 PM): Wow, I never saw these Almathea votes
Reaction when Almathea votes started to be announced during the first exile.
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Post by Yvette on May 23, 2009 13:14:55 GMT -5
Okay I wasn't quite sure how to answer this. I think Yvette pretty much summarized how I feel.
Man Yvette, you are so much better with words than I am. It is part of the profession, dear.  |
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Post by Levi on May 23, 2009 14:24:25 GMT -5
*Here is where Levi starts defending himself against some pretty far-fetched arguments* Alright, where should I begin? How about . . . here. The last line I note especially. I was his top suspect, and I was defending myself from his accusations against me. I noted Donald was my top suspect, and he agrees with me and goes far enough to suggest that Donald would be a good choice for exile! Really? Your top spy suspect suggests an exile and you nod your head and say it's a good choice? It doesn't work that way. This right here reflects the relative insincerity of his suspicion on me as well as his willingness to hop on literally any wagon he encounters. If he were truly suspicious of me, he would be wary of me pushing Donald as a lynch choice. He would not latch on to it like a greedy begger at the side of a fruit stand.
If you could see my confessional, you would see that my list (which I typed before you ever brought Donald up in any conversation with me) contained Donald as a suspect. I never said I completely believed you, and if you interpret that conversation as such, that's your misinterpretation. At that point I believed you were a Spy, but I wasn't completely sure about your alignment. Several people were up in the air on my list of suspects at that point in time. I would also like to point out that pretty much every game of Mafia begins with a random voting stage. When I mentioned my suspicion of you, I admitted that it wasn't very strong (I don't recall if that was in the Burg or in a chat with you.) The purpose of voicing suspicions is to see how various people will react. Once I got your reaction, it didn't change anything. The whole time I have thought of you as someone who COULD be a Spy, and I still do. Even if I have my suspicions about your alignment, I could still agree with you if you bring up a good case against someone else, especially if I am not more that 60% sure about you. Levi both attacks the evidence against Mei, but also adds her to the list of people he is contemplating voting? Really? Could you be any more like a spy? You think Mei is being framed by the evidence (thus a citizen) but you're fine with putting her on your ever growing (but never decreasing!) list of people you're fine with voting (so you want to vote to exile citizens?). Spy found. Again, you are misinterpreting that part of the conversation. I admitted the possibility of Mei Yun being framed, and I admitted that I wasn't completely sure that that was what was really happening. Some people, (as I'm sure you will Kristen) will interpret this as being a Spy trying to fade into the background. I was merely doing my best to attempt to make the most informed decision I could. Later on, it seems popular opinion swings against Roxy. And sure enough, Levi somehow manages to decide to make Roxy his vote. Amazing how he eventually arrived at that decision. It's as though he waited for others to decide and then slapped his vote on the popular wagon...but no, it couldn't be that.
Could it? Unfortuately for you, it's not. I really wouldn't call the Roxy vote a popular wagon. After all, at Exile, there were many people who received votes. Going into Exile, it was not clear at all who was going to be voted. Some were saying Mei Yun, others Kirsten, others Roxy. I placed my vote on the person who had, in my opinion, the most damning evidence against her. She came out and said that voting with the crowd was not a scummy move. Because I had Levi on my suspect list at the end of Week 1 for alternative reasons combined with what I attributed to be some suspicious lack of leadership and coddling up to other people, I would say that this case does a very good job of bringing my personal thoughts and gut feelings to fruition. Lack of leadership is obviously evidenced by me calling out both Kirsten and Roxy on my suspicions of them. And who exactly was I coddling up to? Please explain this to me, because I am not aware of it. Okay I wasn't quite sure how to answer this.
I think Yvette pretty much summarized how I feel.
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Man Yvette, you are so much better with words than I am. Gotta love someone who comes in and agrees with a case without offering any evidence of their own. And this is coming from someone who I've had little interaction with. I played Mafia with him on the first day, and I had a one-on-one with him where we mainly discussed how to get my picture onto my AIM profile, but other than that, we haven't said much to each other. spies6levi (8:27:30 PM): Wow, I never saw these Almathea votes
Reaction when Almathea votes started to be announced during the first exile. Obviously I'm a Spy because I didn't expect a particular lynch coming from a team that I wasn't on. I was focusing on our team's lynch, not tracing evidence brought up by your team. Turns out she was a Spy. Does that mean because I didn't see it coming I'm scum? In conclusion, while Kirsten has brought a good case against me, it boils down to misinterpreted words and OMGUS. |
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Post by Rey on May 23, 2009 14:36:42 GMT -5
There is a contradiction in this sentence. Try to find it.
If this were true, you wouldn't have expected any of the votes placed.
Why would you just say you didn't expect the Almathea votes?
Did you expect the Jocelyn votes? The Jaya vote?
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Post by Levi on May 23, 2009 14:44:06 GMT -5
There is a contradiction in this sentence. Try to find it. If this were true, you wouldn't have expected any of the votes placed. Why would you just say you didn't expect the Almathea votes? Did you expect the Jocelyn votes? The Jaya vote? Gah, I'm not good at typing long-winded posts like this. There should be a could instead of a were. And about the Almathea votes, they were far more numerous than Jocelyn votes and Jaya votes. After all, everyone knew Jocelyn was inactive, and most of her votes were penalty votes. |
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Post by Mei Yun on May 23, 2009 16:24:14 GMT -5
Kirsten and Levi, I wish to talk to you both on AIM.
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Post by Georgia on May 23, 2009 16:32:00 GMT -5
This is a conversation I had with Levi on May 20th.
spies6Georgia (19:26:9): Hey. I have a question for you.
spies6levi (19:26:17): Yes?
spies6Georgia (19:26:48): pies6levi (4:09:28 PM): But for some reason I get a wierd vibe from the evidence against her
spies6levi (4:09:46 PM): For some reason, I think she's being framed, but it's not a very strong feeling
spies6Georgia (19:27:16): What is your feeling, like what makes you think someone(s) are trying to frame Mei Yun. And for what?
spies6levi (19:28:22): It's a vibe. Just something from how many people are, well it seems like, "ganging up" on her.
spies6levi (19:28:47): I have no idea why I get this feeling
spies6levi (19:29:8): But now I'm actually considering voting her
spies6levi (19:29:18): But then there's Roxy too
spies6levi (19:29:20): And Donald
spies6levi (19:29:24): GAh, I'm confused
It seems a bit contradictory. You get the feeling Mei is being framed. Yet you are considering voting for her?
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Post by Levi on May 23, 2009 16:50:16 GMT -5
This is a conversation I had with Levi on May 20th. spies6Georgia (19:26:9): Hey. I have a question for you. spies6levi (19:26:17): Yes? spies6Georgia (19:26:48): pies6levi (4:09:28 PM): But for some reason I get a wierd vibe from the evidence against her spies6levi (4:09:46 PM): For some reason, I think she's being framed, but it's not a very strong feeling spies6Georgia (19:27:16): What is your feeling, like what makes you think someone(s) are trying to frame Mei Yun. And for what? spies6levi (19:28:22): It's a vibe. Just something from how many people are, well it seems like, "ganging up" on her. spies6levi (19:28:47): I have no idea why I get this feeling spies6levi (19:29:8): But now I'm actually considering voting her spies6levi (19:29:18): But then there's Roxy too spies6levi (19:29:20): And Donald spies6levi (19:29:24): GAh, I'm confused It seems a bit contradictory. You get the feeling Mei is being framed. Yet you are considering voting for her? There is a difference between voting on vibes and voting on evidence. I had a cit vibe from Mei Yun, while there was evidence being brought against her. I was debating whether to vote based on my vibe, or if I should vote based on the evidence present by others. I ended up voting based on evidence that I found myself. |
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Post by Faith on May 23, 2009 16:54:22 GMT -5
Levi babe I don't see where you have addressed this point, which is suspicious.
Four suspects. A tie between them? No. I find that difficult to believe. You have 4 suspects that you've cultivated throughout the episode and you list all four of them as possible choices for exile? You mean to say nothing you've seen from any of them has changed your mind at all? Nothing has swayed your opinion. Nothing has given you any indication that one suspect is a better choice for exile than another? *cough* bullshit *cough*. There's no way you found all of those equally suspicious. No, sir. You were biding your time waiting to see where popular opinion swayed, first.
There is the fact that nobody on our team ever moves from on his suspect list to his citizen list throughout the episode. His list of suspects constantly grew, but never decreased.
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Post by Levi on May 23, 2009 17:02:45 GMT -5
Sorry, I must have forgotten to answer that. It was such a long post, I knew I'd miss something.
I'm very cautious. I can guarantee you that none of you didn't experience doubt heading into Exile. At that point there was still time before the Exile. if I recall correctly. While I was doing everything I could to talk to those I suspected, my team wasn't the most active group. Being online at the same time as them wasn't as easy as you would think. I can guarantee that every player here suspected multiple people at one time, and their thought processes changed throughout the episode. Just because no one had given me any evidence to clear them at that point does not make me scum.
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Post by Ariel on May 23, 2009 17:41:04 GMT -5
"In conclusion, while Kirsten has brought a good case against me, it boils down to misinterpreted words and OMGUS." - Levi
How can Kirsten's case be a good one if it "boils down to misinterpreted words and OMGUS"?
And I believe Kirsten's (and Faith's) point is that you listed all four of your suspects at the same level of suspicion, which seems strange.
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Post by Thor on May 23, 2009 17:43:16 GMT -5
i'd like to point out that you said "somewhat mei yun" rather than listing her as a full party in your tie for main suspect, yet you ended up voting for her.
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Post by Levi on May 23, 2009 17:43:27 GMT -5
"In conclusion, while Kirsten has brought a good case against me, it boils down to misinterpreted words and OMGUS." - Levi How can Kirsten's case be a good one if it "boils down to misinterpreted words and OMGUS"? And I believe Kirsten's (and Faith's) point is that you listed all four of your suspects at the same level of suspicion, which seems strange. I'm not good with words. That should have said "While it SEEMS" It's hard to scale your suspects when you hadn't had the opportunity to discuss further with them. |
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Post by Ariel on May 23, 2009 17:52:12 GMT -5
How odd. I could have sworn that Kirsten said she chatted privately with you multiple times after you stated that.
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Post by Levi on May 23, 2009 17:52:54 GMT -5
I have only had two private chats with Kirsten. One was the one I posted in our Exile thread for our team, and the other was one shortly afterwards. That really doesn't constitue multiple times.
EDIT: Thor, i voted Roxy, not Mei Yun.
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Post by Thor on May 23, 2009 18:01:14 GMT -5
ah, my mistake.
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Post by Yvette on May 23, 2009 18:05:45 GMT -5
And he shall be Leave Eye. And he shall be a good man.
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Post by Levi on May 23, 2009 18:05:57 GMT -5
It's ok, it could happen to anyone.
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Post by Oswald on May 23, 2009 18:10:19 GMT -5
I would like to post my two cents here. I don't want to be accused of OMGUS or anything like that, but I think Kirsten's argument is valid.
Early on I was accused by numerous people of being inactive and a lurker, and Levi posted this:
So very early on I was the #2 suspect in his mind. And we didn't speak for a long time after that. Levi continued to accuse people but I suddenly dropped from his list. Which was fine by me, but I didn't know what I had done to earn that.
Here is our first conversation:
6:26:07 PM spies6oswald: Hi levi
6:26:15 PM spies6levi: Hi!
6:26:20 PM spies6levi: Have I gotten a chance to talk to you yet?
6:26:26 PM spies6oswald: Nope
6:26:31 PM spies6oswald: Remember I am Spy Scale 7, ha
6:26:41 PM spies6levi: Oh yea, I remember
6:26:49 PM spies6oswald: I understand your reasoning
6:26:59 PM spies6oswald: I have just not had a chance to be online at the same time as a lot of you
6:27:03 PM spies6levi: Trust me, my mind is NEVER set in stone
6:27:18 PM spies6levi: I change easily, those were just my throughts at that moment
6:27:19 PM spies6oswald: well that's good
6:27:24 PM spies6oswald: I am glad you posted them
The bold section seems consistent with what Kirsten is saying. But again I don't think its totally damning of Levi as a Spy quite yet.
It was our second conversation that set that bell off:
9:12:02 PM spies6oswald: Mr Levi!
9:12:10 PM spies6levi: Hey!
9:12:29 PM spies6oswald: Finally
9:13:45 PM spies6levi: So, how's the game treating you?
9:14:08 PM spies6oswald: pretty good now that I have gotten to talk to people
9:15:27 PM spies6oswald: i think people had the wrong impression of me early on
9:15:30 PM spies6levi: Sorry if I'm quiet
9:15:35 PM spies6levi: Kirsten attacked me in the burg
9:15:42 PM spies6levi: I'm defending my reputatin right now
9:18:29 PM spies6oswald: i saw
9:18:34 PM spies6levi: Alright, posted it
9:18:42 PM spies6levi: So, who are you thinking about exiling?
9:19:06 PM spies6oswald: Mei Yun
9:19:53 PM spies6levi: Am I the only one that isn't suspicious of Mei Yun?
9:20:08 PM spies6levi: Or maybe I'm the only one that hasn't been aroudn when she's been suspicious?
9:20:42 PM spies6oswald: i have my own personal reasons
9:20:59 PM spies6levi: Don't we all
9:21:36 PM spies6oswald: i just feel the way she threw me under the bus and tried to get you all to think I was inactive when she had been talking to me for hours was very suspicious
9:22:13 PM spies6levi: Oh yes, I forgot about that.
9:22:25 PM spies6oswald: yeah it just doesn't sit right with me
9:22:32 PM spies6levi: Right now I'm torn between Roxy, Donald, and possibly Mei Yun
9:25:00 PM spies6oswald: well I am glad you don't think me anymore
9:26:24 PM spies6levi: I only thought you in the really early part of the game when I didn't reall have an informed decision
9:27:12 PM spies6oswald: well I am glad we finally get to talk, your responses and analysis seemed really smart.
9:28:00 PM spies6levi: Thank you.
9:30:55 PM spies6levi: Sorry, I have to go right now. School tomorrow. See you later!
9:31:02 PM spies6oswald: good talk Levi
Changed status to Offline (9:32:18 PM)
Note the two bolded areas. Originally Levi was pretty perplexed by a Mei Yun vote, but then a few short minutes later she was back on the list.
I am confused as to Levi's logic flow here, and again that doesn't necessarily make him a Spy, but it sure does raise some pretty suspicious flags at this point.
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Post by Levi on May 23, 2009 18:19:27 GMT -5
I'm going to try and translate from what I said in chat form to how I would have said it in post form (this concerning what Oswald just said about me):
I have yet to see the evidence against Mei Yun, and therefore am not suspicious of her. If I see this evidence, I may be persuaded to vote her.
This conversation happened earlier in the game, before the Kirsten ordeal.
I would also like to post a snippet of chat that I just had with Oswald. In it, I believe I did a good job of defending myself towards some of Kirsten's arguments:
spies6levi (5:56:20 PM): If you have any questions, feel free to ask them, and I will gladly answer them
spies6oswald (5:57:00 PM): well how do you respond to Kirsten's accusations that you jump suspects rather easily...because the evidence against you is rather large of that accusation.
spies6levi (5:57:37 PM): She didn't accuse me of jumping suspects, if I remember correctly
spies6levi (5:57:43 PM): She accused me of adding suspects
spies6oswald (5:57:52 PM): hmmm let me go look
spies6levi (5:58:03 PM): Now, I would say I'm fairly guilty of jumping suspects
spies6levi (5:58:15 PM): But that is just my way of making sure I make the best decision possible
spies6oswald (5:58:17 PM): Levi is not looking for spies, or people he can clear as citizens. He's looking for wagons. He's looking for places he can put his vote without suspicion. He's looking for the easiest mislynch or the place his vote will most benefit his own nefarious ends.
spies6levi (5:58:43 PM): She's confident, I give her that
spies6levi (5:59:03 PM): I don't know how she can say I'm not looking for Spies
spies6levi (5:59:15 PM): After all, I was the one who came forward with evidence against Roxy
spies6oswald (5:59:28 PM): that's true
spies6levi (5:59:30 PM): And I don't want to clear someone as a citizen unless I'm absolutely certain
spies6levi (5:59:41 PM): Next point: looking for wagons.
spies6levi (5:59:53 PM): While I could see that point from anyone's point of view
spies6levi (6:00:03 PM): You could hardly say that there were any wagons with our team's vote
spies6oswald (6:00:17 PM): that's a good point
spies6oswald (6:00:23 PM): I was firmly in camp Mei Yun until the end
spies6levi (6:00:49 PM): But the votes ended up being spread out a lot
spies6levi (6:01:05 PM): Me, Kirsten, Mei Yun, Roxy, and probably some people that I'm missing
spies6levi (6:01:09 PM): all received at least 1 vote
spies6oswald (6:01:17 PM): Donald
spies6levi (6:01:24 PM): Thank you
spies6levi (6:01:39 PM): Now, looking for places to vote without suspicion
spies6levi (6:01:52 PM): That goes along with teh whole bandwagon issue
spies6levi (6:02:03 PM): No matter where you place a vote, you will experience suspicion
spies6levi (6:03:02 PM): Again, that's a rather subjective point
spies6levi (6:03:25 PM): But I don't see how finding evidence and then voting based off of it is "finding a nonsuspicious vote"
spies6levi (6:03:48 PM): And the last sentence goes along with that line of thought
spies6levi (6:04:03 PM): In fact, the last half of that paragraph is just restating itself repeatedly
spies6oswald (6:04:55 PM): a little yes
spies6levi (6:05:19 PM): Also, do you mind if I post this little chunk of convo in the Burg?
spies6levi (6:05:30 PM): I feel that these arguments that I just made would help my case
spies6oswald (6:05:57 PM): yes, but I want to forewarn you I am posting my original thoughts as well that help Kirsten's case a bit
spies6levi (6:06:08 PM): I don't mind that at all
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Faith
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Daddy's Dead Princess
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Post by Faith on May 24, 2009 15:35:17 GMT -5
I'm posting this for all the lovely people to see <3 You really do seem to be forgetful Levi. You don't remember your thoughts and you miss replying to things and you contradict yourself a lot in posts and have to explain what you mean. I was researching player's posts when I came across this one:Kirsten - I NEVER remember you asking that question. If my post didn't make it obvious enough, your explanation was logical and I am satisfied with it, but I am still getting a scum vibe from you. Roxy - Right now, my vote is for you. That conversation I had with you set off so many alarms it's not even funny. Right now, there's only one possible person who I might change my vote to. That person is . . . Mei Yun - I really haven't seen enough evidence to overcome the strong cit vibe she is giving off. While she is no where near 100% clear in my mind, I really don't suspect her that much. spies6levi (3:32:46 PM): *goes to see if anyone else is attacking me in my witchhunt thread* spies6Faith (3:33:21 PM): I'm rereading it now actually spies6Faith (3:36:14 PM): would you mind explaining me the Roxy/Mei Yun thing again? I still don't get how you got citizen vibes from Mei Yun but would still be willing to vote for her as your second vote over Kirsten who you said you had spy vibes from spies6levi (3:36:56 PM): I don't mind explaining anything spies6levi (3:37:13 PM): Like I said in my post in the tread (kind of) there are two ways to vote: spies6levi (3:37:16 PM): Vibes and evidence spies6levi (3:37:33 PM): I had citizen vibes from Mei, but there was a case (evidence) made against her spies6levi (3:37:44 PM): I was debating wheter to vote on vibes or to vote on evidence spies6levi (3:37:57 PM): Turns out, I ended up voting on evidence spies6levi (3:38:08 PM): But that's an entirely different train of thought there with Roxy spies6Faith (3:38:28 PM): so if you didn't vote for Roxy you would have voted for Mei?
spies6levi (3:38:39 PM): I have no ideaspies6Faith (3:39:11 PM): You said in your exile thread though, the only other person I'd change my vote to is.... Mei Yun spies6Faith (3:39:21 PM): or something to that effect spies6levi (3:40:14 PM): I'm trying to find the post in question spies6Faith (3:40:16 PM): Roxy - Right now, my vote is for you. That conversation I had with you set off so many alarms it's not even funny. Right now, there's only one possible person who I might change my vote to. That person is . . . Mei Yun - I really haven't seen enough evidence to overcome the strong cit vibe she is giving off. While she is no where near 100% clear in my mind, I really don't suspect her that much. spies6levi (3:40:33 PM): Oh look, found it! spies6levi (3:40:34 PM): Lol spies6Faith (3:40:42 PM): *giggles* spies6Faith (3:40:58 PM): I just find it werid because above that you say you're getting scub vibes from Kirsten
spies6levi (3:41:05 PM): I completely forgot about that post
spies6levi (3:41:07 PM): My badspies6levi (3:41:29 PM): (right now I look really scummy, dont I?) spies6Faith (3:41:38 PM): a little spies6Faith (3:41:49 PM): you do seem to forget a lot of stuff. spies6levi (3:42:02 PM): This game is really overwhelming spies6levi (3:42:17 PM): I do forget a lot of stuff spies6levi (3:42:32 PM): In my mind, I go through a LOT of suspects spies6levi (3:42:38 PM): a LOT of possibilities spies6levi (3:42:50 PM): When I made that post spies6levi (3:42:58 PM): Mei Yun was higher on my suspect list spies6levi (3:43:10 PM): Than she had ever been spies6levi (3:43:16 PM): Right now, she's lower than that I still don't get how you forget what you were going to do voting wise when you said it yourself 'if I don't vote Roxy, I'm voting Mei Yun'. How do you forget that? To me it really does just sound like you were going to vote for whichever person had more votes. Seeing you had scum vibes from Kirsten... but no mention of voting her.
See, you originally gave off citizen vibes to be Levi but right now you're looking like a spy to me.
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Yvette
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Queen of the Byrg-enstocks
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Post by Yvette on May 24, 2009 15:37:12 GMT -5
[High fives Faith and gives her a "Outstanding Powerful Female Figure" sticker]
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Faith
Faith
Daddy's Dead Princess
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Post by Faith on May 24, 2009 16:04:01 GMT -5
omg I love stickers <3<3<3<3
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Post by Levi on May 24, 2009 16:26:14 GMT -5
About the post in question:
I wanted to see how Mei would react to that comment I made about possibly changing my vote to her. Unless she gave the most obvious scum reaction ever, I would vote Roxy. My mind at that time (the day before the vote) was 90% Roxy.
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Faith
Faith
Daddy's Dead Princess
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Post by Faith on May 24, 2009 16:38:57 GMT -5
Why didn't you say that to me when I asked about it then? All you said was I forgot about that post, my bad.
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Post by Levi on May 24, 2009 16:51:11 GMT -5
Because I really had forgotten about said post. After I signed off of AIM, I remembered exactly what it was. I know that that doesn't help my case at all, but I speak the truth.
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Post by Kirsten on May 26, 2009 2:58:35 GMT -5
There is a difference between voting on vibes and voting on evidence. I had a cit vibe from Mei Yun, while there was evidence being brought against her. I was debating whether to vote based on my vibe, or if I should vote based on the evidence present by others. I ended up voting based on evidence that I found myself. I have yet to see the evidence against Mei Yun, and therefore am not suspicious of her. If I see this evidence, I may be persuaded to vote her. Explain? |
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