Yvette
Yvette
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Post by Yvette on May 24, 2009 13:49:04 GMT -5
This is not going to be able to be done one post at a time, for me, but I am going through talks with Robert to find out his ideas. I would like if you can find any of them, as well, to post them. Again, don't violate the chat-posting rule, just post what is relevant.
In my first chat with him after the kickoff event.
spies6Robert (21:44:21)o what are your thoughts then?
spies6Ed (21:45:44):my thoughts are that it is way to early to really gain any significant knowledge. we will know more once roles are revealed
[14:20] spies6Yvette: He is utterly boring, and non-contributory, even though he is there in person, it's like talking to suspicious wallpaper.
[14:20] spies6Robert: This is after he outright asked me what i thought iof everyone... and even speculated penluy on a couple of people.
[14:21] spies6Robert: spies6Robert (21:46:5:cop-out answer! If we had roles i'd be calling you out as evil for middleroading like that.
spies6Ed (21:48:14):haha, it is a good thing we do not have roles then spies6Ed (21:48:47):and now i know to take very specific positions when talking to you
[14:21] spies6Robert: That threw me re-reading it too
[14:22] spies6Yvette: That is very suspicious.
[14:22] spies6Yvette: Like foreshadowing for a bad movie.
[14:26] spies6Robert: yeah
[14:28] spies6Robert: oh, and Georgia... if I happen to dissapear early at night, watch her well.
[14:28] spies6Robert: When she was my partner in the mafia game, she was almost non contributory
[14:29] spies6Robert: yet in the second game, as an innocent, came out firm, with a strong stance.
[14:29] spies6Robert: so may well have been seeking to hide her ability to play as mafia
The part that actually gets me the most with Ed is not "I'm glad we don't have roles then", but "And now I know to take very specific positions when talking to you." It is not something that Ed has done for the entire game. He did not contribute much, if anything, to the Callahan case, yet voted for him without telling most of the other people in his group. When I have asked him to post his suspicions in our group's exile thread, I am met with Callahan-type excuses and hostility, instead of just a simple rundown of people he has at least talked to. Ed, either you aren't taking the initiative, or you just don't care. Neither are implications that you're a spy, but both are wasting my time.
Also, I addressed this Georgia point because, as you can see, Robert told me to do so. Take it how you wish.
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Rey
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Post by Rey on May 24, 2009 14:06:12 GMT -5
I'll have to keep in mind that Georgia point,
as I did catch Almathea using her mafia game meta from the opening ceremonies.
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Post by Levi on May 24, 2009 14:45:35 GMT -5
The Georgia point is interesting. And Rey's account says he's online! O.o
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Yvette
Yvette
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Post by Yvette on May 24, 2009 14:48:38 GMT -5
[23:16] spies6Ed: I'm anxiously awaiting Robert's reaction to your post.
[23:17] spies6Yvette: As am I.
[23:19] spies6Yvette: What is your take on him?
[23:21] spies6Ed: I think like most people, I immediately recognized him as a strong player who knows what he is doing
[23:22] spies6Ed: Of course, I disagree with his line of reasoning that placed me at the top of his spy list (at least in our team) but at least he had some reasons
[23:23] spies6Ed: I iniitially viewed him as a misguided citizen, but your post has me rethinking him
[23:23] spies6Yvette: I initially viewed him as a correct citizen, until I rethought the situation entirely.
[23:23] spies6Yvette: I think giving it an alternative view was much wiser than taking things at face value.
[23:27] spies6Ed: Your view definitely changes my perspective, but I'd like to talk to Robert rather than write him off immediately
[23:27] spies6Yvette: Naturally.
And Robert's case about Jenya's slips:
[13:56] spies6Robert: The EMAIL said so
[13:56] spies6Robert: roles will be given out later
[13:56] spies6Robert: on sunday
[13:57] spies6Robert: spies6Robert (18:53:5: what led you to think spies wouldnt find out until sunday evening
spies6Jenya (18:54:14): Everyone's been saying that.
[13:57] spies6Yvette: [Laughs] I have to make a memo not to confess my spydom until later on Sunday nights next time!
[13:57] spies6Robert: to me that's a pretty big slip
[13:58] spies6Robert: if sam forgot to tell the spies that the innocents didnt know they had been given their spydome yet, then that's a big slip that her email didn't tell her that
All of these (Ed, Yvette, Jenya) could be frames set up by the spies by Imprisoning Robert. But they are all worth giving a quick glance.
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Rey
Rey
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Post by Rey on May 24, 2009 14:50:38 GMT -5
Yes, Levi. I switched the settings.
Whether that is against rules or not has not been mentioned.
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Post by Ed on May 24, 2009 21:25:54 GMT -5
I find it interesting that you're taking the same quote that was at the center of your case against Robert and now reusing it to justify suspicion of me. I know you're working hard, but maybe you should scale it down a notch considering that the two people you built big, public cases on have both turned out to be Citizens.
As far as your point that I haven't contributed much, that's true. I had a busy week outside the game and if you haven't noticed it's Memorial Day Weekend. I want to do more than just post my thoughts on my previous team members and I will start doing that tonight after talking to new team members.
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Jenya
Jenya
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Post by Jenya on May 24, 2009 22:37:40 GMT -5
If you're going to make a thread about what Robert thought, you should do his memory justice and represent it accurately. For example, you try to make the argument above that he suspected me and thus I might want him dead when actually: Thirdly Jenya, I'm sorry. You was right, I was wrong. You are a probable innocent. Any doubt i put on you "even if callahan flips innocent" was merely to add pressure. |
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Yvette
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Post by Yvette on May 24, 2009 23:54:34 GMT -5
I am going through my conversations with Robert, and bringing up points that he made. Do not attack me if he said something elsewhere, that is the point of comparing evidence, you nitwit.
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Jenya
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Post by Jenya on May 25, 2009 2:06:06 GMT -5
I think it's fair for me to point out that you're not trying very hard to figure out what Robert actually thought.
Here's some more things that he thought:
spies6Jenya (10:05:22 AM): One thing I've noticed is that almathea is a lot more nervous about the game than everyone else
spies6Jenya (10:05:35 AM): So maybe she's a spy and the stress is getting to her.
spies6Robert (10:05:49 AM): could well be
spies6Robert (10:06:02 AM): i'm not great at picking up those kind of hints.
spies6Jenya (10:06:15 AM): So she keeps saying Yvette is trying to justify herself
spies6Robert (10:10:35 AM): it'd explain why she's attacking yvette
spies6Robert (10:10:43 AM): theres another much darker explination
spies6Robert (10:11:09 AM): if she's nervy, maybe the spies are willing to sacrafice her, and sent her on a suicide mission against yvette on the off chance it may work
spies6Robert (10:11:37 AM): in a way i hope so. Heartless backstabbing mercinary oponents are way more fun to play against.
spies6Jenya (2:04:21 PM): Who would be your next two suspects, while I read your accusation post.
spies6Robert (2:05:24 PM): my next two arent in my team
spies6Robert (2:05:44 PM): georgia and almathea
spies6Jenya (2:05:51 PM): Why Almathea?
spies6Robert (2:06:06 PM): let me dig up my notes on her
spies6Robert (2:06:39 PM): ah that was it. She tried to make yvette look bad on a VERY flimsy case.
spies6Robert (2:07:19 PM): after i pushed her on it she dissapeared from caht, came back and ignored it til i pushed again, at which poitn ashe brushed it off and started sucking up to me in private caht
spies6Jenya (2:07:20 PM): So she has the same suspect as you, but a bad reason?
spies6Robert (2:07:30 PM): sloppy reasoning
spies6Robert (2:07:35 PM): like she hadnt even read the posts properly
spies6Jenya (2:07:37 PM): Ah.
spies6Robert (2:07:44 PM): which could be distancing if they are partnered
spies6Robert (2:11:25 PM): but right now i'd say i'm 99% to vote her tomorrow, and 95% to carry on pushing her in day 2 if she survives
spies6Robert (2:11:39 PM): so what do you think about uyour group?
spies6Jenya (2:11:46 PM): And if no one else will vote for her, would you switch to a 2nd choice?
spies6Robert (2:12:06 PM): i'd switch to get a lynch, if i believed the other person had a good chance of being guilty.
spies6Jenya (2:12:13 PM): Callahan?
spies6Robert (2:12:14 PM): so it'd take a good case and a lot of support
spies6Robert (2:12:39 PM): i'm trusting him right now
spies6Robert (2:12:42 PM): but a good case, sure.
spies6Robert (2:12:59 PM): I know he's made slips, but he seems like a dumb, pigheaded, egoistic, irritating, evasive innocent to me
spies6Robert (2:13:06 PM): The type i hate being teamed with
spies6Robert (10:08:47 AM): well for tonight, it has to be callahan
spies6Robert (10:09:05 AM): tomorrow, yvetet is still very high on my list, and khalad is rising
spies6Jenya (10:09:52 AM): I haven't picked up much evil from Callahan, though he definitely has weird ideas about the flow of information.
spies6Robert (11:16:31 AM): plus it'd be pretty dumb for them to imprison yvette. I am sure shes evil and WILL get her voted off. Why imprison her when they could let us waste a lynch on her, assumign shes actually town?
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Jenya
Jenya
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Post by Jenya on May 25, 2009 2:14:08 GMT -5
That's why Robert was voted out. Not because he was one of several people to find Almathea suspicious. But because Robert was committed to exiling Yvette soon. He repeated it four times just to me, so I'm sure he told everyone that was his intention.
Either Robert was killed to keep him from leading an exile on Yvette, or he was killed to make us think that's why he was killed. It's our job to decide which is the truth.
One thought.. if the spies wanted Yvette exiled, they could have just left Robert alive to lead it. So perhaps the Spies didn't want Yvette exiled.
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Yvette
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Post by Yvette on May 25, 2009 5:11:32 GMT -5
Oh Jenya, I could hear your nose sniffing at this one from miles away. You will see tomorrow why it is indeed a frame. Robert never had intentions to exile me.
My thought is that the spies were intelligent, and knew that Robert and I were actually working together, or they really were that stupid and wanted to frame me. In either case, it's not going to work.
Iris, Faith, and Ariel will confirm what I am speaking about tomorrow when post the original chat underneath Rey's group chat.
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Jenya
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Post by Jenya on May 25, 2009 5:28:17 GMT -5
I got the story from Ariel tonight. Thanks for confusing everyone.
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Yvette
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Post by Yvette on May 25, 2009 12:29:22 GMT -5
You are welcome!
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