Rey
Rey
Amor del Rey
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Post by Rey on May 22, 2009 0:48:53 GMT -5
Callahan - I haven't spoken with him too much, but I surprisingly have a citizen vibe from Callahan. Yesterday during our mini-mafia games and throughout every chat, I never once caught anything fishy or peculiar that he said, and in my eyes he has had no trouble coming up with his own opinion. To me, that reads as innocent. Funny how things change your mind so easily, Yvette. Never mind the fact that the person that changed your mind was someone you voiced suspicions about previously. Iris seemed to legitimately believe Callahan about the fact that nobody seems to believe him. For that she earns a citizen view from me. Not only that, but the conversation we had a couple days ago gave me a really good vibe from her. Mirela is probably a citizen. The way that she reacted so strongly to what Callahan said rather than responding kindly comes off to me as a defensive citizen. Basically in conclusion, I gained much more from analyzing Almathea rather then my analysis on Callahan. I did learn that a lot of people a part of Callahan's team at the time evidently can't tell the difference between citizen mistakes and spy mistakes, which is unfortunate. |
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Rey
Rey
Amor del Rey
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Post by Rey on May 22, 2009 1:02:16 GMT -5
I'll post these, but i'm probably not going to act on them:
I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with his views,
but I do believe that a confirmed citizen should
be able to have his views in public for everyone to see.
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Yvette
Yvette
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Post by Yvette on May 22, 2009 1:17:59 GMT -5
Funny the effect that 3 days more of interactions beyond just one day of opening chat can change someone's mind "so easily", Rey.
Robert did absolutely nothing to change my mind. My suspicions of Callahan were founded from my interactions with him. Robert's points were further proof in the pudding that Callahan was a sneaky fool.
I apologize that not all of us picked up that "Callahan was a clear citizen". I did not know that contradicting yourself on a regular basis and backpedaling were citizen criteria, but from now on I will make sure to take note.
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Post by Ariel on May 22, 2009 3:39:09 GMT -5
1. Rey, would you kindly stop assuming that, because of hindsight, you in your infinite wisdom are able to be as arrogant as you like and insult whom you please? You aren't, and you can't.
2. For clarity; I asked Callahan, point blank, if he had a role, to see whether there was the slightest chance he was worth saving at Exile. I will post that conversation, if you like.
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Post by Ed on May 22, 2009 15:07:35 GMT -5
Callahan really did nothing to help himself once the suspicion started mounting. Rather than present any sort of a legitimate case against a spy, his only defense was to try to scrounge up some votes for Mirela in case she self-voted.
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Yvette
Yvette
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Post by Yvette on May 22, 2009 15:15:31 GMT -5
Which, coincidentally, seemed to be Almathea's backpedaling approach as well ("Don't vote an inactive!")
Perhaps Callahan had a spy role, "When you are lynched, you appear as a citizen."
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Post by Thor on May 22, 2009 16:30:08 GMT -5
yvette, if you're serious about that post you're being incredibly suspicious.
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Post by Ariel on May 22, 2009 17:52:22 GMT -5
Thor, if you're serious about that post you need to learn to recognize a joke.
-Amused C sharp-
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Post by Thor on May 22, 2009 18:15:07 GMT -5
touche.
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Yvette
Yvette
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Post by Yvette on May 22, 2009 18:21:30 GMT -5
Thor, if you're serious about that post you need to learn to recognize a joke. - Amused C sharp- Thank you, dear. You saved me the trouble. |
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Post by Georgia on May 22, 2009 21:12:44 GMT -5
Are you saying that if someone is a citizen and doesn't have a role - they are not worth keeping alive?
What was Thor's reasoning for voting for Callahan, and his case against Callahan?
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Post by Tiberius on May 22, 2009 21:25:35 GMT -5
While I agree that Callahan, the fallen citizen, 's voice should be heard, but i don't take much stock in what he says as he was, as his former teammates are telling us, pretty epic fail as a citizen.
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Rey
Rey
Amor del Rey
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Post by Rey on May 22, 2009 21:27:06 GMT -5
I thought he did alright; just didn't voice his ideas that great.
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Post by Thor on May 22, 2009 21:39:55 GMT -5
What was Thor's reasoning for voting for Callahan, and his case against Callahan? when callahan was confronted with actions that other memebers of the team found suspicious, rather than deconstructing the arguments made against him to render them obsolete, it seemed as if he was attempting to belittle the opinions of those who suspected them with insults and the like. this, as well as the reasoning put forth by yvette in the "callahan" thread, is why i decided to vote for callahan. |
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Post by Georgia on May 22, 2009 21:51:18 GMT -5
Ahh, okay.
He is/was far from the only one whom responds to accusations with insults and name calling. When are were going to exile those people?
I'm curious as to why you came to me, professing feelings of worry over the potential exile of Callahan. Since he has been found to be a citizen, it kind of puts you in a dark light - as it could be strewed as you pre-emptively covering your own hide.
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Yvette
Yvette
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Post by Yvette on May 22, 2009 22:07:57 GMT -5
Ahh, okay. He is/was far from the only one whom responds to accusations with insults and name calling. When are were going to exile those people? And the difference being that everyone else in the game seems to be able to meet arguments and provide opinions that counter other people's accusations with logic. Callahan was not able to. He simply resorted to mudslinging, and mudslinging alone. This I agree with. |
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Post by Tiberius on May 22, 2009 22:18:35 GMT -5
I thought he did alright; just didn't voice his ideas that great. Which sadly is pretty central to being an effective citizen |
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Yvette
Yvette
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Post by Yvette on May 22, 2009 22:46:53 GMT -5
Callahan had ideas?  |
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Post by Thor on May 23, 2009 0:29:56 GMT -5
I'm curious as to why you came to me, professing feelings of worry over the potential exile of Callahan. Since he has been found to be a citizen, it kind of puts you in a dark light - as it could be strewed as you pre-emptively covering your own hide. i had just spoken with callahan, and he had completely dropped character. i was starting to feel doubt because he seemed very genuine for the first time. part of this conversation i posted in the burg. |
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Post by Georgia on May 23, 2009 2:26:45 GMT -5
Okay. Well why speak with me about it?
We'd never spoken before.
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Post by Thor on May 23, 2009 11:06:54 GMT -5
it was something to talk about, and i was trying to branch out and talk to a few people outside of my team. i generally don't decide not to talk about something just because i haven't spoken with the person before.
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