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Post by Gretchen on Jul 8, 2009 3:34:28 GMT -5
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Post by Tiberius on Jul 8, 2009 4:52:17 GMT -5
Tiberius leaked William's role to her I did what now? Heh?
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Post by Kirsten on Jul 8, 2009 5:00:43 GMT -5
spies6Tiberius (3:28:47 PM): kirsten, we should speak upon your return spies6Kirsten (3:28:52 PM): Gone, but hopefully not forgotten. spies6Tiberius (3:28:53 PM): about william spies6Kirsten (3:29:07 PM): I'm here right now spies6Kirsten (3:29:09 PM): but only briefly spies6Tiberius (3:29:18 PM): william told me spies6Tiberius (3:29:25 PM): he talked to you about that weird role crap? spies6Kirsten (3:29:35 PM): the Ed thing? spies6Tiberius (3:29:46 PM): no not the ed thing spies6Kirsten (3:30:11 PM): then I don't know what you mean by weird role crap spies6Tiberius (3:30:27 PM): ah spies6Tiberius (3:30:27 PM): well spies6Tiberius (3:30:29 PM): in that case spies6Tiberius (3:30:30 PM): spies6Tiberius (3:30:37 PM): i swear he told me he did though... spies6Tiberius (3:30:37 PM): o well spies6Kirsten (3:31:13 PM): alright... spies6Kirsten (3:31:20 PM): I'm looking through my chats with him spies6Tiberius (3:31:29 PM): lol sorry for the teaser spies6Kirsten (3:31:30 PM): the only role related discussion we had is regarding Ed spies6Kirsten (3:31:33 PM): it's ok spies6Kirsten (3:31:39 PM): now I'm insanely curious, but eh spies6Kirsten (3:31:45 PM): I'll tell you this spies6Kirsten (3:31:49 PM): william is a suspect of mine spies6Kirsten (3:31:56 PM): is this a reason to not vote him, yes or no? spies6Tiberius (3:32:33 PM): ergh spies6Tiberius (3:32:41 PM): depends on what... comes of it spies6Tiberius (3:33:06 PM): i'll say it either clears him, or makes him a spy, but it's sensative info right now spies6Kirsten (3:33:54 PM): ok Tiberius didn't technically slip Willy's role, but he slipped knowledge of it. I PMed William about it. William made some comment about Tiberius not being able to keep his mouth shut (which i will not repeat for the sake of the young), and he basically told me he "knew of an investigation targeted at Levi that was directed to Rey." I was able to infer that he had a role that made such a targeting decision based on other discussions.
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Post by Tiberius on Jul 8, 2009 5:13:52 GMT -5
William said he trusted you and Ariel, then mentioned that he told Ariel already. This mixed up my brain making me assume he had told you too. I felt I stopped in time before I actually slipped knowing of WILLIAM having a role, just that there was some role crap surrounding him, but I also thought the post that I made in the burg with Ariel didn't reveal that it was William either, so I obviously have no idea what reveals things and what doesn't.
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Post by Georgia on Jul 8, 2009 10:27:28 GMT -5
What about that post conversation where you blocked out someone's name, and I called it Epic Failure?
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Post by Tiberius on Jul 8, 2009 14:18:05 GMT -5
What about that post conversation where you blocked out someone's name, and I called it Epic Failure? I mentioned that in the post I made just above you. I said "Like I said I thought that didn't reveal anything too"
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Post by Tiberius on Jul 8, 2009 14:35:35 GMT -5
Levi, someone should do this to you, but you should be allowed to select who
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Post by Jason on Jul 8, 2009 14:40:47 GMT -5
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Post by Levi on Jul 8, 2009 14:41:52 GMT -5
All interviews complete!
Tiberius - Kirsten already did.
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Post by Tiberius on Jul 8, 2009 14:47:21 GMT -5
Ah, didn't see that, awesome.
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Post by Tiberius on Jul 8, 2009 14:50:36 GMT -5
Voting Record
Exile #1 - Team Mei Yun's Court - Voted Mei Yun (Citizen) Exile #2 - Team Alive - +'d Georgia (Unknown), -'d Pete (Unknown) Exile #3 - Voted Yvette (Citizen) Exile #4 - Voted Donald (Spy) Exile #5 - Voted Boris (Unknown) Exile #6 - Voted Amelia (Unknown) Exile #7 - Voted Thor (Citizen) Exile #8 - Did Not Attend Meeting
Voting Reasoning
Exile #1 - "I voted Mei Yun because at the time she was the most suspicious. I found her to be trying too hard to be nice. Also, after Georgia posted about how Mei Yun "slipped" it rang a few bells in my head that didn't seem too right. Looks like I was wrong, however."
Exile #2 - +'d Georgia because she was antagonistic and said something to the effect of not caring if she went home. -'d Pete because of Ariel's plan to save Pete and Exile Jaya.
Exile #3 - Voted Yvette because Levi persuaded her to. Reasons cited: "a lot of shit against her," "the alma thing," and "the conversation with robert."
Exile #4 - Voted Donald for the "interview comment."
Exile #5 - Voted Boris because he wasn't posting evidence and made a comment about being "proud to be a bandwagoner."
Exile #7 - Was sworn into Operation Valhalla (other members Ariel, Kirsten, Mirela, Jason). Voted Thor because she thought he was bullshitting about not knowing Ellis's role, and thought that his conversations with Iris looked fake.
Exile #8 - Would have voted Amelia because of the immunity.
Spy Picks
Boris - Because he doesn't post evidence and was proud to be a bandwagoner.
Amelia - The immunity.
Kirsten - Because someone in Operation Valhalla has to be a Spy. Personal Thoughts
While I disagree with some of Roxy's reasoning, and she has a different way of thought than other players, I think she is a Citizen. This also has to do with a gut read. Why was 6 skipped and does Roxy mind elaborating on 4?
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Post by Tiberius on Jul 8, 2009 14:54:02 GMT -5
Boris - Because he doesn't post evidence and was proud to be a bandwagoner. Amelia - The immunity. Kirsten - Because someone in Operation Valhalla has to be a Spy. [/center] Personal Thoughts
While I disagree with some of Roxy's reasoning, and she has a different way of thought than other players, I think she is a Citizen. This also has to do with a gut read. [/quote] lol @ The name Operaton Valhalla. I agree with Roxy that that MUST have been spy driven, but not sure if it was Kirsten. Where did Boris say he was a proud bandwaggoner?
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Post by Boris on Jul 8, 2009 15:11:41 GMT -5
It was a fucking joke that she won't let go of.
6:00:52 PM spies6roxy: why ed? 6:00:58 PM Boris: why not ed? 6:01:05 PM Boris: i was obviously following up on levi's thoughts 6:01:08 PM Boris: since i trust levi 6:01:16 PM spies6roxy: um thats bandwagon 6:01:18 PM Boris: thought donald came in at number two 6:01:20 PM Boris: good for me
This was right after episode 4. I didn't feel like dealing with her that night and was flippant with her. I think she's used that as the driving force behind me obviously being a spy ever since.
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Post by Tiberius on Jul 8, 2009 15:21:59 GMT -5
You've many times been flippant been flippant in such situations D=
Which totally contradicts the super citizen powerhouse persona you had in Episode 1...
That's what worries me. You starting so strong and then... not...ing.
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Post by Boris on Jul 8, 2009 15:30:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I didn't expect the summer being so awesome.
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Post by Mirela on Jul 8, 2009 16:45:17 GMT -5
Also I don't believe that Khaled's reasoning to suspect me is valid in any way. Gretchen's suspicions are completely idiotic if you ask me. I don't think she's been around enough personally.
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Post by Roxy on Jul 8, 2009 16:52:23 GMT -5
Tibz:
Donald sent me the interviewish thing which I thought was really weird that he was asking questions that weren't necessarily game related.
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Post by Khaled on Jul 8, 2009 16:52:28 GMT -5
Mirela, the expanded reasons include your shadowy method of conducting the Thor exile, and the fact that the only spy you've voted for is Iris.
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Post by Mirela on Jul 8, 2009 16:57:13 GMT -5
I still don't believe that's enough evidence to convict me of being a spy.
If you want cleareance on the Thor exile go ask Kirsten, Jason, or Roxy. They can tell you. As for the bad voting record, if you haven't noticed, most of my votes have been for Yvette's homegirls. I've pushed the theory that there IS a spy among them. Yvette was the most suspicious so I voted her, Faith became the most suspicious after Yvette was exiled. Then it became Iris once Faith was exiled. I knew one the spy was among the four. I never considered Ariel to be one of them at the time because she voted out two spies.
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Post by Georgia on Jul 8, 2009 17:47:18 GMT -5
When did you start suspecting Thor, Mirela?
When did you start making a case on Thor, Mirela?
What Imprisonment did you expect to go at, if you posted your Thor case?
Were you trying to lynch your spy, before they got you?
Your reasoning for your shady behavior, has no logic and fails.
Did everyone else know why you wanted it kept secret?
If so, why didn't they call major fail?
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Post by Mirela on Jul 8, 2009 19:57:03 GMT -5
When did you start suspecting Thor, Mirela? I never really spoken to Thor. But I started to suspect him after this convo.
It was this conversation that was the main core of my suspicions. I talked to Kirsten about it and she said Iris would've thrown a citizen into the mix. I'm sure that's Levi.
When did you start making a case on Thor, Mirela?
As soon as I found this convo I immediately told Kirsten and Ariel about it. I guess you can say it started then. Then I approached Jason and Roxy about it, and then we all ended up having a large discussion about Thor. All of us were fairly convinced he was a spy based on all the evidence (not just the convo I found)
What Imprisonment did you expect to go at, if you posted your Thor case?
Imprisonment Seven and Imprisonment Eight. I discovered the convo before Imprisonment Seven (shortly after Iris's exile). I didn't want to post it during that episode because I was afraid that the spies would target me as the one who found Thor a spy (I was like 100% sure he was a spy). That's why I refrained from posting it in the burg.
Were you trying to lynch your spy, before they got you? Yes. Right after Iris's exile, I was sure Amelia, Thor, and Boris were the last spies. My plan was to vote out Thor, then Amelia, and then Boris. But when Thor flipped citizen I wasn't sure what to think anymore.
Your reasoning for your shady behavior, has no logic and fails. I don't consider this a question.
Did everyone else know why you wanted it kept secret? Yes. The only other person I talk to about Thor was Pete. Kirsten talked to numurous individuals about Thor. However no one said anything about me coming to them with my case on Thor.
If so, why didn't they call major fail? I don't know Georgia I honestly don't know.
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Post by Tiberius on Jul 9, 2009 10:45:11 GMT -5
Voting Record
Exile #1 - Team Mei Yun's Court - Voted Kirsten (Unknown) Exile #2 - Team To Be Alive - +'d Paris (Traitor), -'d Mei Yun (Citizen) Exile #3 - Voted Donald (Spy) Exile #4 - Voted Donald (Spy) Exile #5 - Voted Faith (Citizen) Exile #6 - Did Not Vote Exile #7 - Voted Thor (Citizen) Exile #8 - Did Not Attend Meeting
Voting Reasoning
Exile #1 - "Eh, originally she struck me as pushy and cutthroat, two qualities I've seen in successful Spies. We've since become good friends. Funny how these things work out." I didn't vote for Roxy because "At the time she was level-headed and after chatting with her on AIM I didn't read her as a Spy. The first Exiles are always the toughest and most random. If I had the knowledge I have now, back then, I would have voted for Donald, not Roxy."
Exile #2 - I +'d Paris because "He was acting shady and seemed to be trying to remain as neutral as possible -- something else successful Spies can do to avoid attention but stay suspicious enough to justify not being Imprisoned. But, truthfully, like many others, I +ed him for lack of a better suspect. Sometimes fate rewards stupidity." I -'d Mei Yun because "I was convinced she was a Cit. She was talkative, questioning without being rude, looking for Spies, posting in the forum and generally doing Cit-type things. I trusted her enough to tell her about my Immunity and I was still around, so that went a long way toward building trust as well."
Exile #3 - "The Yvette thing was a huge bandwagon from the get-go. Anyone with that many people voting for her has to have the Spies pushign it or at least standing aside and letting it happen." I voted Donald because "He seemed suspicious and at the time I was looking into a possible connection bewteen him and Kirsten."
Exile #4 - Same reasons as before.
Exile #5 - "well, I tried to look for a third in the William, Faith Exile, but it was very time consuming and no one else seemed interested in a third party; basically I ran out of time and had to run, but I'd been asked by Khaled not to Exile William and I honestly thought Faith was the more suspicious of the two, even though I didn't really think either was a Spy by the time I had to leave."
Exile #6 - Did Not Vote
Exile #7 - "I was desperate not to get Exiled; I heard about a secret case on Thor when Tibby mentioned it in the thread. I spoke with Rey and mentioned Thor and he said there was something in the works. So I left my vote on Thor, fully expecting to be one of a couple of people on him and then to get exiled myself."
Exile #8 - Would not have blocked Rey Exile. "Maybe it was just his playing style, but he seemed willing to demonstrate that he "knew what was going on" and that's usually a Spy tell."
Spy Picks
Boris - "Been a lurker since D1, now he's sort of in the game a bit, but he apologzies for lurking and not contributing, then continues to lurk and not contribute. HE strikes me as an under the radar Spy who is now forced to take an interest in teh game since there are only 3 left."
Tiberius - I mean, no one can be that much of a bandwagoner and inept about suspicions and such. There HAS to be more to it than that. And for so long non one suspected him at all and he's still around? Good Spy play is to off the ones that the Cits will not Exile. I think he's playing us with his "golly, gee guys" attitude.
Mirela/Gretchen - "and I'm torn between Mirela and Gretchen, I woud have said Mirela yesterday, but in looking at Gretchen's exchanges with people in the Burg, she just seems to be sassy for no reason, to the exclusion of answering questions. She waited awhile to answer questions (which isn't normally a problem, except that she *posted* that she was going to wait). Maybe she was getting her story straight with her Spy buddies? Her answers don't really satisfy."
Personal Thoughts
Amelia is a true wildcard. She is very inconsistant. Sometimes her posts make absolutely no sense, but other times (like in this interview), she's able to come out and give valid answers without hesitation. She is constantly in the know, despite being on AIM, and has some interesting claims involving immunities and penalty votes. So I was reading this after my internet shut off which of course was after exile and I noticed you had seemingly edited out your conclusion on Amelia, or never written one, so I screenshotted it and I just wonder if maybe there's some bad business going on. While it seems a bit obvious, were you maybe trying to revise your stance on her after she was exile to seem less suspicious? Here's the screenshot
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Post by Tiberius on Jul 9, 2009 10:46:21 GMT -5
Obviously I scratched out some stuff for anonymity reasons, in case you're wondering.
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Post by Tiberius on Jul 9, 2009 10:50:01 GMT -5
Voting Record
Exile #1 - Team Clusterfuck - Voted Almathea (Spy) Exile #2 - Team Alive - +'d Jaya (Spy), -'d Roxy (Unknown) Exile #3 - Voted Yvette (Citizen) Exile #4 - Voted Me (Citizen) Exile #5 - Voted Georgia (Unknown) Exile #6 - Did Not Vote Exile #7 - Voted Amelia (Unknown) Exile #8 - Voted Rey (Citizen)
Voting Reasoning
Exile #1 - Suspected Almathea early on because of her play in pregame mafia, and discussed her with Rey. On the day of the Exile, he talked with Jason (he believes), who told him that Almathea was under a lot of heat. During a team chat, Almathea broke down and went into "freak out" mode. That is why he voted her.
Exile #2 - Claims to have been uninformed, and + d Jaya because she was the only one that voted with Almathea. -'d Roxy because he identified with her trying to lose a Survivor mindset for a game of mafia. Felt pressed to - Pete due to Rey's campaign by Thor and Yvette.
Exile #3 - Claims to have brought up a lot of the ideas to Jason that he later used in the Feminazi case. Believed that said case was very solid. Thought that Yvette had created a character to use as a Spy shield, and thought that she had trapped Robert.
Exile #4 - Voted Levi because he didn't like the Donald case, and felt that the Leave Eye case was stronger. He initially hated the Donald case so much that he refused to believe that Donald was a Spy.
Exile #5 - When asked why he suspected Faith, he answered :"I really have no answer but what i told everyone, since the very first moments of the game, I had a painful gut feeling that screamed spy to me, combined with my desire to find that spy in the robert trap I actually persued that feeling" A last minute conversation with Faith persuaded him to vote Georgia, someone he disliked and mildly suspected, over her.
Exile #7 - "I wasn't online the day of. had I, there's a chance i might have sheeped along with the Thor vote had it been explained to me. I knew kirsten's case, but I didn't know there would be action take on it that exile. In fact i'm susprised, and very suspicious that it did. I voted Amelia for the reasons I'm pushing it now, because a citizen doesnt confirm a spy role unless framed, and a frame seems unlikely, and any loopholes in the second phrase is too small"
Exile #8 - Preferred an Amelia yet, but once he was filled in on the bullet points by Levi, he decided that Rey was scummy enough that he wouldn't block him. "but at the end there when I saw georgia and gretchen fighting, and what i saw as kangaroo court behaviour start, I became sorta starting to think about blocking again, but i didn't, i'm not 100% sure why even now, maybe it was that i was tired and annoyed like everyone else maybe it was that i was afraid of being supsicous, and this it he first time i've mentioned this outside confessionals, congrats on the scoop, because i became more interested in blocking ONCE people pointed out that if one person left Georgia wouldn't be enough, so if i anounced that i would block again RIGHT when that'd begin being discussed welll... i'd look icky. if rey turned out to be a spy in the end that'd make me look terrible. And citizens don't want to look like spies bra!"
Spy Picks
Amelia - "I've told you why, only add that TWO citizens have gone down seemingly to protect her"
Ariel - "I feel like she was the primary force behind the farce that was the exile of rey and the things that lead to it. Mainly the shady activity involved in it, the kangaroo courtin"
Boris - "Last one? Hmmm... If i had to vote for three people now I guess Boris would be my third, but i can't formulate a reason 100%"
Personal Thoughts
I think that Tiberius is a misguided Citizen. He feels very genuine in his reasoning, was very forthcoming with information, and gave valid reasons for two out of three Spies. I disagree with two out of his three picks, and his play isn't the strongest in the game, but I have an overwhelming gut feeling that he is a Citizen. Also note that in the early game Jaya called him out for something he said. You didn't include why I didn't vote at the Iris exile
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Post by Roxy on Jul 9, 2009 10:52:52 GMT -5
Good find Tibz! But I don't really see how that says anything positively or negatively about Amelia.
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Post by Levi on Jul 9, 2009 10:58:20 GMT -5
The reason why I forgot to do the conclusion for her right off:
When I originally did the interviews, I got the information and then did the personal thoughts right before I posted the thread. When I posted the thread, I still needed Roxy's, Jason's, and Amelia's interviews. Because I wasn't in the habit of doing the personal thoughts right after I plugged in the info, I forgot to do it with the interviews that happened post thread posting, if that makes any sense.
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Post by Tiberius on Jul 9, 2009 11:03:07 GMT -5
But then why did you not write an conclusion till after she had already been exiled?
That seems funky to me, sorry.
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Post by Levi on Jul 9, 2009 11:09:08 GMT -5
What are you talking about? I wrote my conclusion well before she was Exiled.
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Post by Levi on Jul 9, 2009 11:10:05 GMT -5
Personal Thoughts
Amelia is a true wildcard. She is very inconsistant. Sometimes her posts make absolutely no sense, but other times (like in this interview), she's able to come out and give valid answers without hesitation. She is constantly in the know, despite being on AIM, and has some interesting claims involving immunities and penalty votes. « Last Edit: Yesterday at 3:00pm by Levi »
I wrote the conclusion at 3 PM. Amelia was Exiled at 8 PM.
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Post by Levi on Jul 9, 2009 11:25:17 GMT -5
Your screen shot is from 1:32 AM on Thursday.
I wrote the conclusion at 3:00 PM on Thursday.
Could you please explain what lead you to believe that I edited the post, and how you are viewing the internet at 1:32 AM when you constantly claim your internet shuts off at midnight?
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