Imprisonment #2 - Due Saturday 5:00 PM CDT

[Judge Sam]

Please read the About Imprisonment thread for more information, I do things a tiny bit differently in terms of Imprisonment.

I hope you all can talk with each other on AIM and on this board to discuss and select your best option. There are tons of people to choose from and since the game has just begun there is little information to go by. It is for that reason you must be extra meticulous about your selection. Propose and discuss a variety of options and don't limit yourself to the most visible ones.


The deadline is Saturday at 5:00 PM CST, I need at least an hour before the Imprisonment story goes up. Post all your official votes in this thread.

[Judge Sam]

You can choose anyone in the game with the exception of the Spies and people I list as Immune from Imprisonment. I may update that list.





Ariel is Immune from Imprisonment #2.

[Amelia]

I vote that we off someone who's kind of quiet for the first Imprisonment, unless there's a direct threat we need to deal with.

I could also see a Jocelyn Imprisonment.

Since I won't necessarily be around before the deadline, Jocelyn can be my default vote if necessary.

I'm pretty open and there's no one on Donald's and my team that really screams "imprison me".

[Iris]

Amelia, I spent yesterday trying to catch up on what's going on with the other teams, since I've mostly been interacting with my own. What is your reason for a Jocelyn imprisonment?

I agree in general that right now a quiet person would be a good imprisonment. Quiet could mean role. Also, the noisy people on my team are very eager to lynch each other.

From my team, I'd float the possibility of Ed. He's been very quiet and rather than inactivity or lack of ideas, I sense a strong player taking a backseat at the moment and watching to see who hangs themselves.

[Iris]

Oh, also, my team seems to be fond of hanging each other due to personality conflicts. No one seems to be annoyed/offended by Ed, while the others all have their bitchfests.

I know Ally wants Robert gone. This is an option I'll consider if Ally makes it and Robert is still after her. I just think Robert and Yvette will eventually turn on each other and blame each other once we mis-Exile a few Citizens.

[Jason]

I think Jocelyn would be a waste, personally; she's not around and isn't a threat at all right now. If we get rid of someone quiet but actively building cases I think that'd do us a lot more immediate good; preferably someone that isn't current suspected by many

[Iris]

Maybe we can each post our stance on Imprisonment for our team? And list our top 2 or 3 choices so we can narrow the pool?

1. Callahan: likely to be Exiled tonight

2. Khaled: likely to be next on the chopping block

3. Ariel: universally the most trusted member of my team, but she can't be Imprisoned this round. I think she could be a big threat in the long run though.

4. Yvette: She's a leader, she's quick to react and she trusts me. Leave her for now.

5. Robert: see Yvette. Eventually I hope to have these two at each other's throats.

6. Mirela: not participating all that much due to apparent computer problems. I was fairly successful at making a case on her until Callahan came to her defense with logic that couldn't be refuted. I agreed with him that she must be Citizen based on his evidence.
If he's Exiled and turns up Citizen, she's going to look good and we'll have to Imprison her. However, I haven't spoken to her personally and I'm told she comes off as not very bright.

7. Ed: He's my top choice, I just have the feeling there's a lot more "there" there than he's showing so far.

8. Thor: Showed up late and mostly echoing other people's opinions right now. I'm not seeing him as a major threat.

9. Faith: She worries me. She's trusted (was in on the plot and apparently told slightly more about it than I was, though she later told me). She acts like an airhead but that's just her character.

So my top choices from my team are Ed and Faith. Ed would be a better choice if we go for the quiet player. I think Faith could be dangerous in the long run though.

[Jason]

Personally I don't think anyone from Team 2 should be the Imprisonment choice right now; everyone is either on the block themselves or is going to help us get rid of other citizens next round... The only people I'd consider good Imprisonment candidates would be Gabriela and Paris, but if you guys have better candidates on your teams I think we should go there.

[Pete]

Seeing Paris go would be very good, I dont think for one moment that he trusts me, and I could see his elimination being very helpful. Then again, thats just being selfish, so, ignore me

However, I would like you guys to think about getting rid of Tib at some point in the near future, no-one ever distrusts him, and it might be good to just remove him before he becomes a major threat.

[Iris]

Okay, I changed my mind after reading what Khaled posted today.

He's dangerous. Not because he's suspicious of me. I have stuff to easily deflect his suspicions next Day. But his method of analysis worries me. He's very, very thorough.

[Iris]

I see my last post wasn't clear. I'm not suggesting we get rid of Khaled in this Imprisonment. I think he must go in one of the next two though.

I don't know Gabriela at all. I'm fine with Paris or Tib, I see the arguments for getting rid of both of them. I still want to float the idea of Ed.

So, top candidates as of now, in no particular order:

Paris
Tiberius
Ed
Jocelyn

I'm not crazy about Jocelyn as a candidate. Almathea voted Jocelyn, and flipped Spy. Jaya voted Jocelyn, and was suspected of Spy. If we Imprison Jocelyn tonight I think it will make Jaya look very bad in Episode Two.

[Jason]

Ellis is trying to rally people to Exile Paris next round so I think we should take Paris off the list; it'd be much better to let the citizens do the dirty work for us

And I agree, we can't put Jaya in trouble so I think that leaves us with Tiberius and Ed at the moment. We can see how things go tonight and tomorrow morning before deciding I guess... FYI I won't be on at all tonight if things go well with my GF, but I'll be on as much as I can tomorrow.

[Pete]

Me and Donald were talking, and it actually cleared a few things up in my mind. If you look, Jocelyn will almost certainly self vote herself out of the game, so my team will not have to do that much. The other team however has a big influence in Robert, and I think that by removing that, your team will be more likely to have a splintered vote, which you can take advantage of.
Tiberius and Rey are also threats, but, I think they are only threats because they have each other (all together now: awwww ) but...if our team really can basically sit on our bums for this round, it might be best to leave one of them untill next round.

That is obviously just my thoughts, please comment.

[Judge Sam]

An additional person has been made Immune from Imprisonment #2. You cannot select Rey to be Imprisoned.

[Donald]

DonaldAndPete said:

(3:29:48 PM) Pete: hi
(3:30:04 PM) Pete: so yeah, dont tell everyone else im here, i really cant be bothered to talk to them
(3:30:13 PM) Donald: ok
(3:30:29 PM) Pete: so, what can I do for you?
(3:30:42 PM) Donald: I really don't have much to say, I just haven't been available for almost two days now, and was gonna chat about the upcoming imprisonment and night roles
(3:31:02 PM) Pete: well, that is actually quite a bit of dicussion there lol
(3:31:26 PM) Pete: so, imprisonment, what are your current views?
(3:32:23 PM) Donald: Let's see, from my team, Boris could be a threat, He hasn't seemed too active, but is a really smart player, is on everyone's good side it seems, and generates discussion that really pushes everybody towards spyhunting
(3:32:37 PM) Donald: I don't feel like anybody else on my team is much of a threat
(3:32:53 PM) Donald: Mei can be a small threat, but she can also dig her own grave for us
(3:33:06 PM) Pete: yeah, I dont think mei should be worried about
(3:33:22 PM) Donald: So Boris is the only suggestion from my team, I'll post that in the imprisonment thread
(3:33:33 PM) Pete: well, are we talking new teams or old teams
(3:33:36 PM) Donald: old
(3:33:41 PM) Donald: I'm not familiar with the new one yet
(3:33:43 PM) Pete: well....
(3:34:11 PM) Pete: Id say rey, but not because of his intellligence, its just the way he plays, tib is very on the ball, so he is also a threat
(3:34:44 PM) Pete: but everyone else is currently diggng their own grave, I mean paris is now in danger from rey, so, thats why I think rey might be good to keep around
(3:35:29 PM) Donald: What about Yvette? I know she's also helping stir up trouble, but she could also turn into a big threat later
(3:35:34 PM) Pete: all in all....tib is the only threat
(3:35:37 PM) Donald: ok
(3:35:46 PM) Pete: well, yvette....is interesting
(3:36:12 PM) Pete: i think she initally trusts me, but I have no idea what she bases her opinion on, gut fact or actions.....
(3:36:57 PM) Pete: im really however, worried about robert....he seems in tune with the game and at the same time will be a huge driving force in the other new team if he isnt removed
(3:37:54 PM) Donald: Yes, Robert worries me
(3:37:55 PM) Pete: if he is gone, i dont see that many people on the other team that will be a huge prescence, taht way we wont get a unanimous vote, and that means the spies over there can do some damage
(3:38:07 PM) Donald: That's a good though..
(3:38:29 PM) Pete: yeah (did I imply that that was bad?)
(3:38:30 PM) Donald: I'm happy whenever Robert posts something that goes after citizens, but I'm afraid of when he hits paydirt
(3:38:45 PM) Donald: spies doing damage = bad?
(3:38:52 PM) Pete: lol no no
(3:39:01 PM) Pete: i misinterpreted something you said, dont worry
(3:39:05 PM) Donald: lol, okay
(3:39:26 PM) Pete: sooo....my vote is currently for robert, it just makes the most sense
(3:39:35 PM) Pete: because jocelyn will almost certainly self vote herself out of the game
(3:39:41 PM) Donald: lol
(3:39:41 PM) Pete: so our team is fine
(3:39:43 PM) Donald: sad, but true
(3:40:10 PM) Pete: so we need to look for the best short term solution for the other three spies, and for me, it only makes sense to remove robert
(3:40:17 PM) Pete: im open obviously to differing views
(3:40:33 PM) Donald: I think removing Robert is a very smart choice
(3:40:46 PM) Donald: One of my biggest mistakes in past mafia games is not getting rid of a big threat early enough
(3:40:49 PM) Donald: and regretting it later
(3:41:01 PM) Pete: yeah i know what you mean
(3:42:24 PM) Donald: So Robert is a big threat, Tib sounds like a decent-sized threat
(3:42:33 PM) Donald: I think I agree with what was said in thread
(3:42:37 PM) Donald: "Rey with a partner is bad"
(3:42:56 PM) Pete: yeah, I will be basically reiterate what weve talked about on our forum
(3:43:04 PM) Pete: and let everyone else comment
(3:43:44 PM) Donald: awesome

Basically, from my team yesterday, Boris is the only threat I saw. He's a good player, doesn't have much of any suspicion, if any on him, and he's good at getting players moving forward with suspicions. But I think there's bigger threats.


The top two threats we had were Robert and Tiberius. Tiberius is favored by many players, is on the ball, and is a really good player.

Robert is active, catches a lot of small things, and can become very threatening once he catches any of us. I have to say I like seeing him post incriminating evidence against other players, but once he catches one of us, I'm afraid of what'll happen. I mentioned the biggest mistake I ever make as mafia is waiting too long to deal with threats. Robert is a big threat, and if we leave him around too long it could be disastrous. He is currently my top choice for imprisonment.

[Pete]

I have also made a few comments here and there to people that Tiberius could be a big threat later on....if we remove him either it will make me look very suspicious or very un suspicious...so....Tib may not be best.

[Jaya]

Earlier in the week, I thought Robert should go. Now I am thinking either Khaled or Tib.

Pete, I don't understand your comment. You said that tib could be a big threat later on, a spy threat to the cits, I presume? So what, he's imprisoned you were wrong. Or did you mean that he could be a cit threat to the spies later on. In this case, you just say, hmm I was obviously right he was going to be a threat that's why the spies took him out.

Rey said that Tib had confessed his role to him. Of course, that could have been Rey blathering. But on the off chance that he was telling the truth, I think we should imprison Tib.

[Donald]

I think what Pete means is this:

If we leave Tibs around, he will be a big threat to us later in the game.

However, if we imprison tibs now, we don't know if that will make look very suspicious or not.

In other words, we need to imprison Tibs soon, but not during this imprisonment because it could turn against Pete.



Also, I'll probably be at work by the time votes are due and as they're due today it looks like:

Imprison vote: Robert

[Jaya]

I could go along with Robert. We could use his imprisonment to help exile one of his suspects. Yvette, of course, comes to mind -- though he seems like he had a lot of suspects.

Vote: Robert

On another note, any guesses about how Rey got immunity? I looked thru the "Choose your own role" thread again. Could Rey be the egoist?

[Iris]

Okay, I'll get on the Robert bandwagon if you can tell me this.

I was the sole-non Callahan vote last round...and my vote was for Robert. I explained this to Faith last night as wanting to not vote for Callahan at the last minute because I believed he had a role. I told her I moved my vote to Robert because I knew he was safe from Exile and I didn't have any other strong suspect.

If you guys don't think Imprisoning Robert will make me look horribly suspicious tomorrow, I'll vote Robert too.

Re Rey: Callahan sent messages around to a few people saying Rey could and should be trusted. I don't know if that affected his immunity or not.

[Jason]

I don't think it would make you too suspicious; why would the spies imprison someone that a spy and no citizens voted for directly before?? It's WIFOMish I guess but I can't see anyone using that in a legitimate case against you, really.
Seeing Robert go could be good, I'll be supportive of that and say:

Vote: Robert.


He's without a doubt an awesome player, I can't see many downsides to getting rid of him.

[Jaya]

Iris, I'm thinking that the people who will look suspicious if Robt goes are the ones he would target next. You didn't bandwagon onto an innocent citizen -- how can that possibly look suspicious? Of course, if we now find out that Robt was a cit also, you were just wrong, but at least you weren't wrong and on a bandwagon.

[Iris]

Okay, guys.

Vote Robert then.

[Pete]

Vote: Robert

[Judge Sam]

thank you all for voting.


Robert has been selected to be Imprisoned.

[Almathea]

The only good imprisonment for many many rounds.

[DC]

You could debate that.

[Faith]

I really hope all your imprisonment threads are like this guys because it's awesome to read the thought process behind who you chose. People wonder why they get impriosned and to just see that everyone voted for you for no reason sucks to see. haha. So loved seeing how Robert got chosen!

[Ellis]

Aug 4, 2009 14:07:23 GMT -5 DC said:

You could debate that.

I will, and hard.

I think that in nearly every Spies game since #2, the spies haven't left enough people around that they can hide themselves in. If you're a super-cit or perceived as such, the best hiding place is in a bunch of other super-cits. Otherwise people will wonder why you've lasted so long.

EDIT and italicized so non-Spies vets can ignore: This particularly applies to Spies 4. It's not just Zander who left a group of people alive who weren't like him in any way - can you imagine what Bev or Masaki would've done if they were stuck in a group consisting of Leon, Summer and Damon? They'd have been toast.

When Kirsten and Jenya lasted right up until the end, who was really looking at Jason? With a group consisting of people like Mirela, Khaled and Boris, everyone would've been wondering why Jason was still standing. Leaving the two most vocal cits in the game alive turned out to be the best possible choice he could've made.

[Jason]

Aug 4, 2009 15:30:10 GMT -5 Ellis said:

Aug 4, 2009 14:07:23 GMT -5 DC said:

You could debate that.

I will, and hard.

I think that in nearly every Spies game since #2, the spies haven't left enough people around that they can hide themselves in. If you're a super-cit or perceived as such, the best hiding place is in a bunch of other super-cits. Otherwise people will wonder why you've lasted so long.

EDIT and italicized so non-Spies vets can ignore: This particularly applies to Spies 4. It's not just Zander who left a group of people alive who weren't like him in any way - can you imagine what Bev or Masaki would've done if they were stuck in a group consisting of Leon, Summer and Damon? They'd have been toast.

When Kirsten and Jenya lasted right up until the end, who was really looking at Jason? With a group consisting of people like Mirela, Khaled and Boris, everyone would've been wondering why Jason was still standing. Leaving the two most vocal cits in the game alive turned out to be the best possible choice he could've made.

; D