Roxy
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Post by Roxy on Jun 7, 2009 15:00:37 GMT -5
So far my votes are
1.Mirela 2. Donald 3. Ariel
The only thing I'm concerned about is that Mirela hasn't been on to defend herself about the lie...what if this turns into another Yvette style exile? =\
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Boris
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Post by Boris on Jun 7, 2009 15:01:53 GMT -5
Boris – For the simple reason that he doesn’t post his thoughts and he hasn’t take a stance in the burg at all from what I’ve seen. Actually, never mind I just checked and he has said no to the Rey case. So he’s taken one stance in the burg and he didn’t really say why the Rey case was bad. I even called him out on it in my suspicions thread and he gave a reason to Khaled about why he didn’t most as much, but didn’t acknowledge my suspicions on him.
I didn't acknowledge it because I didn't know it existed. That's one strike against me I guess but if you were so worried you would have at least bothered to message me or talk to me on aim, seeing as I don't think we have ever actually personally talked to each other.
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Boris
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Post by Boris on Jun 7, 2009 15:04:07 GMT -5
OK, nevermind, now I know what you're talking about. I didn't want to respond because all you posted were facts about me, and there wasn't much else for me to say but "yeah, you're right, I didn't post about it in the burg." That doesn't mean I haven't been talking about it.
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Post by Thor on Jun 7, 2009 15:32:38 GMT -5
my vote is:
1. faith 2. georgia 3. mirela
note how faith was on both sides of the yvette case. but faith has been very active this round! this is good!... wait. oh, right. i called her out on her shit, and NOW she's active. her suspicion thread seemed like 'omg someone thinks i'm a spy because i hop on people! let's make a big thread about how i suspect people without huge cases on them!'
georgia has been very confrontational and stubborn. her first big case was against someone who we now know to be a citizen. since then, she's hopped on to cases and tried to argue hard for them without really making any. now, she's accusing tiberius and i of being sheep with no opinions, and when i proved her wrong, she found me suspicious for the actions that disproved her. she distracted a potentially helpful chat about suspicions with a ridiculous false scenario concerning my belief that roxy was going to vote for jaya rather than georgia in exile 2 and how i didn't follow up and ask why she didn't.
mirela has lurked around, and lately it's been active lurking which i find suspicious. her performance in the challenges was subpar, which on it's own isn't that horrible, but she lied to try and cover up her performance. huh? unnecessary.
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 7, 2009 15:43:57 GMT -5
1. Mirela 2. Donald
Is where I'm at currently. I have some other suspicions I haven't fully fleshed out yet and don't want to vote on. I have some people I am suspicious of but who will receive no votes, so there's no point in me voting them. Take that as you will.
Ah, and yes. I'm not voting Levi (though he may come in 4th!). His actions this past episode have left me second guessing myself. I'm at the point where he looks cit, looks like he's actively trying to find spies, trying to benefit the citizens, against the other evidence I have built where he looks like a spy who can't keep his story straight. From my mafia experience, I've learned to trust my gut, and I'm going to hopefully not make a mistake by doing that here.
1. Mirela
I will admit to flip-flopping on you a lot. I thought you seemed fairly citizen at times. I thought you were a spy at times. I didn't think you made sense as a spy with Levi, but now I'm not sold on Levi being a spy.
Anyway, this portion of our chat was what made me most suspicious of you:
spies6Kirsten (8:56:19 PM): I've responded to pretty much everyone who has posted in Yvette's thread spies6mirela (8:56:29 PM): oh i see spies6mirela (8:56:40 PM): you feel pretty strongly about the case huh? spies6Kirsten (8:58:14 PM): I think she is a citizen. I also think I've caught a spy in Donald. spies6mirela (8:59:07 PM): do you think we should exile donald? spies6Kirsten (9:01:50 PM): yeah spies6Kirsten (9:02:01 PM): I would also not feel sad if we exiled Levi. I think he's a spy as well spies6mirela (9:02:35 PM): but what evidence is there against him? the paris exile practically cleared his name spies6Kirsten (9:02:42 PM): how? spies6mirela (9:02:42 PM): and he was like the leader in most challenges spies6Kirsten (9:02:49 PM): eh? spies6Kirsten (9:02:53 PM): I don't remember him being a leader in challenges spies6mirela (9:03:05 PM): he screencapped it, and helped a lot with the letter game spies6Kirsten (9:03:09 PM): and the Paris exile. Paris wasn't a spy. The spies didn't know he was on their side spies6mirela (9:03:11 PM): (by letter i mean the topic one) spies6mirela (9:05:16 PM): well if donald is a spy, who else does that lead to being a spy? spies6Kirsten (9:05:32 PM): I think Levi and donald can be spies together spies6mirela (9:06:25 PM): do you see any sort of connection between them kirsten? spies6Kirsten (9:06:28 PM): they've pretty much ignored the cases on each other. spies6mirela (9:07:03 PM): hmmm spies6mirela (9:07:18 PM): okay kirsten, i might not be able to be here tomorrow for the exile spies6mirela (9:07:27 PM): so i'm going to vote donald spies6Kirsten (9:07:28 PM): although from what gabriela had to say, it seems like Donald has a habit of ignoring cases spies6mirela (9:08:19 PM): i trust you know what your talking about. and i think the yvette case can wait spies6mirela (9:08:41 PM): if yvette WON'T be exiled or imprisoned, even if she's a citizen spies6mirela (9:08:53 PM): ignore that if spies6mirela (9:09:20 PM): because that will just make it look like faith or iris or ariel is the spy, and i don't think the spies are stupid enough to do that spies6mirela (9:09:33 PM): i think those four girls are going to stick around, for the protection of the spies spies6mirela (9:09:46 PM): its funny, because yvette's original goal was to protect herself from imprisonment spies6Kirsten (9:09:47 PM): maybe. Although if none of them are spies, we shoot ourselves in the foot by trying to find one among them spies6mirela (9:09:53 PM): and she did it spies6Kirsten (9:09:55 PM): yeah spies6Kirsten (9:10:00 PM): by getting people suspicious of her spies6mirela (9:10:15 PM): kirsten are you voting donald? spies6Kirsten (9:10:37 PM): I think so. spies6Kirsten (9:10:42 PM): Either him or Levi spies6mirela (9:10:53 PM): no i think you should vote donald spies6Kirsten (9:11:06 PM): why's that? spies6mirela (9:11:17 PM): there's way more evidence o n him than levi spies6Kirsten (9:11:39 PM): I think there's more evidence on Levi, but I think the Donald evidence might be a little stronger spies6mirela (9:14:20 PM): even though i think levi is an annoying little shit spies6mirela (9:14:46 PM): he and rey talk and talk spies6mirela (9:14:52 PM): they just TALK spies6mirela (9:14:55 PM): every second spies6Kirsten (9:15:17 PM): haha spies6Kirsten (9:15:22 PM): and why does that make him a citizen spies6mirela (9:15:35 PM): i never said that spies6mirela (9:15:48 PM): i just think levi is in that grey area spies6mirela (9:16:07 PM): i used to think he was a citizen, but after awhile i was like eh spies6Kirsten (9:16:30 PM): ? spies6Kirsten (9:16:38 PM): didn't you just say that the Paris exile cleared his name? spies6mirela (9:16:50 PM): well thats what i thought at the time spies6mirela (9:17:29 PM): but then as it progressed its like whatever, levi shares cit and spy qualities spies6mirela (9:17:34 PM): so im just whatever on him spies6mirela (9:19:02 PM): omg that sounded totally stupid spies6Kirsten (9:19:06 PM): hehe spies6mirela (9:19:23 PM): don't think i'm the kinda gal who changes her opinions or whatnot spies6mirela (9:19:30 PM): on a drop of a penny
If you felt the Paris exile cleared his name, then how could he be in that "grey area?"
2. Donald. I'll admit that the "lies" I caught you in last episode don't necessarily hold up. However, I still find you suspicious. Not because you wagoned Yvette to save yourself, as I would have likely done the same thing in that situation, but because of your lack of suspicions/weaker suspicions.
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Faith
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Post by Faith on Jun 7, 2009 15:50:06 GMT -5
Take it as you will Thor but yes I became more active when you called me out and when I noticed a lot of people were thinking I was a spy. I realized coming into this round that I could very well be the person exiled and if I'm the person exiled this round I want to leave something behind for people to work with. If that makes me suspicious so be it.
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Rey
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Post by Rey on Jun 7, 2009 16:11:14 GMT -5
Did I use big words that you can't understand?
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Post by Rey on Jun 7, 2009 16:15:34 GMT -5
The way you worded this has made me weary. Is any case ever actually expected? Does it need to be? Does the unexpectedness of a case help or hinder it by any means? I agree with the point about where she lied, but i'm trying to picture why she would do that. I always try to put myself in the shoes of the individual, but I still can't see why she would feel the need to lie.
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Post by William on Jun 7, 2009 16:15:37 GMT -5
My top suspicions are gretchen, levi, and jenya. I think gretchen was on the verge of breaking back in episode 2 but then jaya came up. Since then she's pretty much had it easy, so there hasn't been much reaction to go on. Jenya reacted to kirsten's case against donald by attacking kirsten and not really defending donald. It didn't sit right. Mirela will probably be in the top five, but not sure, I'm reading back on her posts.
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 7, 2009 16:17:26 GMT -5
I think Mirela is telling the truth about being disconnected during the challenge, or she at least set up the situation so she could concoct it as a plausible lie.
She didn't post for 3 minutes. During that period, all she said in chat was "ack".
I'm still suspicious of her for other reasons, but I don't think that is a valid reason any more.
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Post by Khaled on Jun 7, 2009 16:22:51 GMT -5
but faith has been very active this round! this is good!... wait. oh, right. i called her out on her shit, and NOW she's active. In her defense (and in that type of playstyle, frankly), sometimes people just need a little bit of a nudge to actually kick things into gear.
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Rey
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Post by Rey on Jun 7, 2009 16:25:39 GMT -5
Gretchen - My vote is more than likely going to her, but I keep switching back and forth between her and Mirela. Gretchen seemed to have made her character's personality a bit more stronger after episode one, as if she's hiding behind it. She made the slip were she said 'you' citizens instead of 'us' in the forums somewhere as well. She constantly quarrels with players about how things should be done or how things are, but i'm not sure if this is necessarily suspicious.
Mirela - Right when I first met the new replacement, she was incredibly jumpy when I jokingly called her a spy and that she should tell me her partners. I don't know whether this is an over-defensive citizen or a guilty spy. The fact that she lied about her disconnection is also something against her, HOWEVER, she may be extremely defensive, be a compulsive liar, or have short-term memory. We should ask her about this, A.S.A.P.
Khaled - I don't like his extremely neutral stance throughout this entire game. I'm not going to vote for him this round, but i'd like to have my suspicions of him out here in the open in the case that I am imprisoned. I think in this point in time, after losing two spies, the remaining spies would rather lay low. This is what I feel Khaled is doing.
My vote is currently on Mirela, but i'm still pondering whether to switch to Gretchen.
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Boris
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Post by Boris on Jun 7, 2009 16:25:47 GMT -5
Worked for me.
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Post by Ed on Jun 7, 2009 16:28:29 GMT -5
Did I use big words that you can't understand? I'm assuming that she is confused because your statement does not jibe with your mad scramble to Exile Pete when you were so sure that he was a spy.
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Post by Mirela on Jun 7, 2009 16:34:17 GMT -5
Okay well it's time for me to give my two cents. I've been away for two days (ask Sam, there is a reason why I didn't post my away notice in the burg). I have not been 'actively' lurking.
Everyone seems to be thinking I'm suspicious due to this whole challenge thing. I'm telling you all that I was unable to post. I had a couple tabs open, and my internet wasn't working, however my aim window was still working.
Please people, if you vote me based on this fact alone then it's base on evidence that you can't confirm. Like Roxy said, you'll be walking into another Yvette situation. I DID NOT LIE!!! I know it was stupid that I didn't say anything, I know it was stupid to think itwasn't a big deal. But apparently it was, so now this is the only defense I can provide for you. There are other cases that hav way more incriminating evidence then mind.
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 7, 2009 16:35:39 GMT -5
Gretchen - My vote is more than likely going to her, but I keep switching back and forth between her and Mirela. Gretchen seemed to have made her character's personality a bit more stronger after episode one, as if she's hiding behind it. She made the slip were she said 'you' citizens instead of 'us' in the forums somewhere as well. She constantly quarrels with players about how things should be done or how things are, but i'm not sure if this is necessarily suspicious. Rey, Georgia and I already informed you that her character didn't change after episode 1. That's a weak argument from someone who wasn't on her team, and very likely had no interaction with her at all. The citizens instead of "us" slip is fairly weak. Regarding Mirela: spies6Kirsten (2:29:23 PM): I dont' think she's lying about the disconnect spies6khaled (2:29:35 PM): Are you talking to her? spies6Kirsten (2:29:57 PM): the only way she's lying is if she purposely didn't post for 3 minutes, purposely said ack in the thread, and then claimed to have disconnected during the challenge with a nice 3 minute block. spies6Kirsten (2:30:06 PM): occam's razor spies6Kirsten (2:30:09 PM): yeah spies6Kirsten (2:30:52 PM): also, claiming to have been disconnected from the internet but not AIM is far-fetched. I doubt she is lying about that because of how horrible of a lie that is spies6Kirsten (2:31:18 PM): if her intention was to lie, why not just say "I sucked. I was distracted." spies6khaled (2:31:23 PM): ack in the chat, you mean? spies6Kirsten (2:31:26 PM): yeah spies6Kirsten (2:31:34 PM): yeah, change thread to chat If you vote her, I expect reasons that aren't related to her challenge performance.
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 7, 2009 16:37:04 GMT -5
Clarifying that the "if you vote her" above refers to everyone collectively, not just Rey.
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Post by Ed on Jun 7, 2009 16:40:43 GMT -5
Mirela - I find your disconnection excuse moderately plausible, but what made you switch your vote from Donald to Yvette? You seemed pretty settled on Donald during your chat with Kirsten.
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Roxy
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Post by Roxy on Jun 7, 2009 16:43:43 GMT -5
Boris: Your suspicions aren't very clear.
spies6Roxy (4:04:58 PM): hey spies6Boris (4:05:03 PM): omg it's roxy spies6Roxy (4:05:27 PM): feel like i havent talked to you one on one in a WHILE spies6Boris (4:05:32 PM): this is true spies6Boris (4:06:29 PM): what would you like to discuss? spies6Roxy (4:07:52 PM): just seeing how you are thinking of voting spies6Boris (4:08:50 PM): well, looking at my list from last night, i have mirela jenya and ariel in my top three spies6Roxy (4:08:57 PM): ok spies6Roxy (4:09:06 PM): i havve mirela donald ariel spies6Boris (4:10:02 PM): sounds good spies6Roxy (4:10:14 PM): what are you reasons for jenya? spies6Boris (4:10:35 PM): she is the most gut of them all but i think she's been yanking my chain a bit since last episode spies6Roxy (4:10:50 PM): oh/ spies6Roxy (4:10:53 PM): ? spies6Boris (4:11:33 PM): it's nothing, it just has to do with my conversations with her spies6Boris (4:11:41 PM): i'm trying to talk to her now about it, but she's not responding spies6Roxy (4:11:58 PM): oh ok spies6Roxy (4:12:01 PM): i have to run
It's "nothing" but worth a top three vote? That is a little surprising. Especially since you can't really explain your reasoning.
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Post by Khaled on Jun 7, 2009 16:48:25 GMT -5
Please people, if you vote me based on this fact alone then it's base on evidence that you can't confirm. She's right here; I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt in this situation. Like Kirsten said, the necessary burden-of-proof if she IS lying is much larger given her explanation as well. So...I am (and I encourage all of you as well to follow me in) UNvoting MIRELA
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Post by Levi on Jun 7, 2009 16:54:07 GMT -5
Boris: Your suspicions aren't very clear. spies6Roxy (4:04:58 PM): hey spies6Boris (4:05:03 PM): omg it's roxy spies6Roxy (4:05:27 PM): feel like i havent talked to you one on one in a WHILE spies6Boris (4:05:32 PM): this is true spies6Boris (4:06:29 PM): what would you like to discuss? spies6Roxy (4:07:52 PM): just seeing how you are thinking of voting spies6Boris (4:08:50 PM): well, looking at my list from last night, i have mirela jenya and ariel in my top three spies6Roxy (4:08:57 PM): ok spies6Roxy (4:09:06 PM): i havve mirela donald ariel spies6Boris (4:10:02 PM): sounds good spies6Roxy (4:10:14 PM): what are you reasons for jenya? spies6Boris (4:10:35 PM): she is the most gut of them all but i think she's been yanking my chain a bit since last episode spies6Roxy (4:10:50 PM): oh/ spies6Roxy (4:10:53 PM): ? spies6Boris (4:11:33 PM): it's nothing, it just has to do with my conversations with herspies6Boris (4:11:41 PM): i'm trying to talk to her now about it, but she's not responding spies6Roxy (4:11:58 PM): oh ok spies6Roxy (4:12:01 PM): i have to run It's "nothing" but worth a top three vote? That is a little surprising. Especially since you can't really explain your reasoning. Jenya's been signed into her AIM account for over five days. I think she just leaves it signed in.
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Roxy
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Post by Roxy on Jun 7, 2009 16:55:20 GMT -5
Yeah and he has no solid reason for voting for her.
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Post by Georgia on Jun 7, 2009 17:08:26 GMT -5
I distracted a conversation Thor? Ohhkay. If you had answered straightly, I wouldn't of had to bring it up else where. How is it a ridiculous false belief?
Did you, or did you not think Roxy was voting for Jaya? Did Roxy vote for Jaya?
If you thought she was voting that way, and then didn't. Logic would point, that you would at least question her about it - since Jaya is a Spy.
If you want to actually vote me with a sound reason - try making an actual case Thor.
Rey. Where has Ellis posted? What about Donald? The entire point, which still stands. Is if you are going to single someone out for a specific behavior. Then you need reasons why you are picking that person, if there are other people whom are guilty of it.
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Post by Georgia on Jun 7, 2009 17:34:31 GMT -5
Current Thoughts..
Mostly Spyish Levi Donald - Won't vote for him this Episode, since I haven't seen him around at all
Partly Spyish = Questionable Behavior Thor Tiberius Jenya William Ellis
Meh = No strong read = ? Pete Mirela Faith Iris Roxy
More Citizen than spyish Gretchen Oswald Boris Ed Kirsten Khaled
Waffle Rey Jason Amelia Ariel
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Post by Thor on Jun 7, 2009 17:45:24 GMT -5
i answered the question. you decided i hadn't and i told you the same thing in chat. i thought roxy was voting for jaya. she didn't. i forgot to question her because i was, oh, distracted, since we had just lynched a spy and someone i trusted was against the lynch. then the chart was posted which said she had voted for jaya. so, i didn't realize that she hadn't. you keep ignoring what i say and attacking the portion that you deem unreasonable.
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Post by Georgia on Jun 7, 2009 17:51:35 GMT -5
I'm not ignoring what you say Thor.
Please, oh pleasepleaseplease - come up with a better argument than that.
How is it a ridiculous false belief? Ignoring much?
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Boris
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Post by Boris on Jun 7, 2009 17:51:48 GMT -5
spies6Boris (4:11:33 PM): it's nothing, it just has to do with my conversations with her spies6Boris (4:11:41 PM): i'm trying to talk to her now about it, but she's not responding spies6Roxy (4:11:58 PM): oh ok spies6Roxy (4:12:01 PM): i have to run
I'm glad you felt the need to prod me about this information, instead of saying oh ok and then running off.
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Rey
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Post by Rey on Jun 7, 2009 17:55:29 GMT -5
spies6Roxy (4:07:52 PM): just seeing how you are thinking of voting spies6Boris (4:08:50 PM): well, looking at my list from last night, i have mirela jenya and ariel in my top three
He stated that those are the people he is thinking of voting, not who he is voting.
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Rey
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Post by Rey on Jun 7, 2009 17:59:45 GMT -5
Try looking at people's posts in isolation. Donald posted in the "Away" thread, giving us notice in advance of his inavailability. Ellis has posted content, as well as frequently messages me through PMs.
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Post by Gretchen on Jun 7, 2009 18:10:12 GMT -5
Thank you Georgia and Kirsten for discussing my character on my behalf - most appreciated.
Rey, you have no idea what you're talking about. They are not "slips" but deliberate choices of words. I joke about going to Spy meetings all the time. Unlike some people playing this game, I am not ridiculously paranoid and will not triple-think what I type before typing it. If I think it, I type it. I am a Citizen, and you can believe that or not.
Why is lurking more a Citizen quality than a Spy quality? That doesn't make sense to me.
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