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Post by Georgia on Jun 13, 2009 0:23:06 GMT -5
Why do you think each person was Imprisoned?
Imprisonment 1 - x
Imprisonment 2 - Robert
Imprisonment 3 - Mei
Imprisonment 4 - Gabriela
Imprisonment 5 - Ed
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Post by Rey on Jun 13, 2009 1:18:17 GMT -5
Robert was imprisoned to frame Yvette. That's my belief.
Iris and/or Faith would not benefit, AT ALL, by imprisoning Robert.
They had the trust of their little clique. Why ruin that so early?
Although they are two of my suspects, this fact remains. It probably helps them.
I have no idea why Mei Yun was imprisoned.
Perhaps distaction purposes, to get us to act confused.
I mean, it worked. Look what happened to Yvette.
Gabriela was very likely too smart for the spies.
She had huge suspicions of Donald and caught a huge scumslip of his.
The way she played also suggested the possibility that she had a role.
Ed was an inevitable choice for the spies, I would assume.
I mean, I certainly wouldn't have chosen him.
It's interesting to note that both Mei Yun and Gabriela had slight suspicions of Iris before they were imprisoned.
It's also weird that the spies aren't imprisoning the targets that I would expect.
Although I may or may not know some reasons why.
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Post by Tiberius on Jun 13, 2009 4:11:39 GMT -5
...0-o
Hmm, anyway, I have to say that the Spy's choices have consistently shocked me and it makes me think that there are roles or something getting involved here.
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Post by Mirela on Jun 13, 2009 6:53:43 GMT -5
I'm fairly certain that Robert was imprisoned to frame Yvette and the rest of her home girls. Mei Yun was all over the place, so I'm guessing she was imprisoned because she was extremely out there and confrontational. Gabby was a total smarty, and I'm sure she was voted off due to her suspicions on Donalds early on in the game. Ed on the other hand....Well I have no idea why. I barely talked to him, but the whole thing seems like a distraction from exile. I mean, have we really had a conversation on whose the next most suspicious on the list? I don't think so. Open you eyes people.
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Post by Jenya on Jun 13, 2009 9:50:21 GMT -5
I'm fairly certain that Robert was imprisoned to frame Yvette and the rest of her home girls. So are you still pretty sure one of Faith, Iris is a spy? I think Mei was imprisoned because a spy in Mei's small team demanded it. Someone got too much heat from Mei early in the game, and they wanted her gone. Gabs was right about Yvette and spoke her mind, right about Donald and spoke her mind. Worth checking to see what else she was right about. I think Ed was chosen because he was manipulatable by the spies in this current situation. If his imprisonment was not inevitable, I think the spies wanted someone they could control into not telling the burg their dilemma. Right, Ariel? |
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Post by Roxy on Jun 13, 2009 10:23:26 GMT -5
Imprisonment 2 - Robert
I would have to go with Levi, and say to frame Yvette. As we all saw, after his imprisonment everyone suspected her. It had to be a framing.
Imprisonment 3 - Mei
I think Mei might have been imprisoned because a lot of people were getting a strong cit. vibe from her, and the spies were possibly concerned she could unearth some strong evidence if everyone thought she was a citizen.
Imprisonment 4 - Gabriela
Gabby was a smart granny! She was suspecting Donald, and had strong reason too. I'm sure he had her imprisoned.
Imprisonment 5 - Ed
No f'n clue. Either they had to choose him, or IDK.
And are you going to answer these yourself, Georgia?
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Post by Thor on Jun 13, 2009 10:54:42 GMT -5
robert was a potentially very useful person for the citizens. i think he was killed to keep him from being so. he had already been distracted by the reindeer games with yvette, and this prevented him for any usefulness whatsoever.
mei yun, despite having strong suspicion on her from a few sources, was considered citizen by a LOT of people and was starting to build some decent cases.
gabriela was firmly in the citizen camp after yvette was exiled. she put forth a good defense, much better than kirsten's in my opinion, and it became obvious that she was smarter than she let on.
ed, i don't know. he was a silly pick because he had suspicion on him from several widespread sources.
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Post by Rey on Jun 13, 2009 11:22:42 GMT -5
Imprisonment 2 - RobertI would have to go with Levi Rey, and say to frame Yvette. As we all saw, after his imprisonment everyone suspected her. It had to be a framing. |
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Post by Pete on Jun 13, 2009 11:24:09 GMT -5
I dont want to sound too much of an echo, but, I concur on the Robert and Gabriela reasonings. Gabriela was very smart and Robert was probably a frame attempt.
Mei Yun I believe was quite smart and liked, true I hardly spoke to her, but she managed to give that impression pretty easily, so if I could get that impression of her, so could the spies.
Ed, now, what I dont understand is why when people say 'oh I dont have a clue about Ed' they dont do some digging?
Ed apprently got a message saying in the future he will be imprisoned, there are three (maybe more, but I cant think of any) scenarios.....
1) The message was 'real'. Ed really was going to get imprisoned and so this means future week was possibly the reason. This implies the spies picked a victim(s) for a few rounds time. Ed at the time had voted for Gretchen twice. Hmmm?
2) The message was 'fake'. The message was probably sent by a role via Sam, obviously to hide the identity of the real sender, it was written in 'Sam style'. Ed told a few people about it, and was then imprisoned? That implicates anyone that was told this. (Now this next bit is a bit of a stretch so take this with a pinch of salt) Maybe once a spy found out this information they imprisoned Ed to frame another person that was told about this.
3) The message is disregarded. It has nothing to do with it. Ed either had a role and was found out or there was another reason and he suspected a spy.
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Post by Iris on Jun 13, 2009 11:26:55 GMT -5
This is actually a really good question.
Imprisonment 2 - Robert: I think he was imprisoned because in the beginning he looked like he was going to be a big threat to Spies. He was clearly sharp.
Imprisonment 3 - Mei: I think she was imprisoned either to confuse, or to make Levi look bad. (I'm sorry, maybe I have a Levi blind spot, but I just with my gut do not believe he's a spy.) Levi, when you're back, is there any chance that you told anyone before the Imprisonment that Mei Yun was your partner?
Imprisonment 4 - Gabriela: she must have been onto something. I didn't talk to her much so I don't know, but could she have been onto Donald?
Imprisonment 5 - Ed: I have a theory on this. Ed was pretty close-lipped apart from a few people he trusted. If it's true that the Spies had to pick him for Imprisonment ahead of time then maybe they struck him as the kind of person who was not going to make a huge fuss of it in public.
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Post by Jason on Jun 13, 2009 15:40:20 GMT -5
I think playing a guessing game over why people were Imprisoned isn't as valuable as looking at what people in the Burg are actually doing... It's fine to speculate every now and then but that's really all it is, speculation -_-
We can sit here and say "Robert must have been imprisoned because one of Iris/Faith/Ariel is a Spy" or "Robert must have been imprisoned because none of Iris/Faith/Ariel is a Spy and they're being set up" and where does that leave us?
Well, we know that Iris, Faith, and Ariel are either Spies or Citizens...
That's not really breaking news -_-
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Post by Ariel on Jun 13, 2009 15:46:46 GMT -5
I think Ed was chosen because he was manipulatable by the spies in this current situation. If his imprisonment was not inevitable, I think the spies wanted someone they could control into not telling the burg their dilemma. Right, Ariel? I'm unsure what you mean by this comment, Jenya. |
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Post by Jenya on Jun 13, 2009 16:26:09 GMT -5
Assuming the Spies knew Ed could find a way out of Imprisonment if he communicated effectively...
...it's a theory that the Spies chose Ed because they knew they could control him. He'd come to them first with the information and they could shut him down before he told anyone else and found a way to save himself.
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Post by Ellis on Jun 13, 2009 16:36:15 GMT -5
I think Ed was one of the smartest people here, going on chats I had with him late on in the game. He was one of the few people to strongly defend both Robert and Yvette early on.
Last night some of us were discussing Faith's idea that the future week was involved somehow, and a few theories came from that. One of them was that it was the futures people who voted between themselves for the imprisoned player for this episode, not the spies themselves, and if they went along with it they'd earn some kind of a prize? It would explain Ed being warned in advance.
I'm not convinced that Robert was imprisoned to frame Yvette, although it's possible. I think a lot of people picked him as a strong citizen from early on thanks to the stuff he posted in the burg. Maybe the spies just saw him as a strong threat.
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 13, 2009 18:01:42 GMT -5
...it's a theory that the Spies chose Ed because they knew they could control him. He'd come to them first with the information and they could shut him down before he told anyone else and found a way to save himself. If your implication is that I'm a spy, and somehow knew that I could give Ed that information and he would run straight to me first then it is laughable how wrong you are. I spoke to Ed twice before he came to me with the information, and had just spent part of a chat attacking him before he told me. I had no idea Ed trusted me. |
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 13, 2009 18:30:59 GMT -5
I don't think Robert was imprisoned to frame Yvette. The "framing" of Yvette didn't happen until episode 3. When Robert was imprisoned, the suspicion fell on Iris/Faith, not Yvette. The only reason Yvette was suspected over this happened because there was a big case on her, and people literally just flung every possible point of evidence that could be possibly scummy at her. I never spoke to Robert and I wasn't terribly impressed with his contributions (now, of course, I know his Yvette suspicion was fake), so I have no clue why he was imprisoned.
I don't understand the Mei Yun imprisonment, at all.
Gabriela was almost certainly because she was hot on the trail of Donald as well as being a smart under the radar player. This (and perhaps the Robert) imprisonment are the only ones that make sense to me in retrospect.
Ed. I don't know. He was picked ahead of time apparently, but he was not at all a top choice for people I expected to be imprisoned.
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Post by Levi on Jun 13, 2009 20:30:57 GMT -5
Could we rename this thread "WIFOM Central" or "Get your 8 posts quick"?
Just kidding, but I have a theory about the Imprisonments. The Spies are forced to choose an imprisonment one round, then choose someone the next round to screw with me.
Robert - Very smart, would have been a powerful asset to our side.
Mei Yun - My ally *cries*
Gabriela - Obviously a very smart citizen.
Ed - My case that I posted before I left *goes back to drawing board*
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Post by Ellis on Jun 13, 2009 21:30:13 GMT -5
Am I the only one who's surprised by how little credit Ed and Gabriela are getting? Gabriela at least seems to be regarded as "smart" by a few people, while I'm the only one who's even given Ed that much credit so far.
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Post by Georgia on Jun 13, 2009 21:45:56 GMT -5
Robert - I wasn't totally surprised that he got exiled. He seemed to be a well spoken and thoughtful player, and quite capable of becoming a vocal leader.
Mei - I was more surprised by her going, compared to Robert. Among some, there seemed to be a citizen vibe for her. Yet if they chose because whom looked the most Citizen, she didn't look the most.
Gabriela - I have no idea why she was imprisoned. She wasn't exactly on my radar of people whom I thought might go.
Ed - He was a surprise. Though if he was chosen during Future week, I wonder why him. Unless they chose someone whom they thought had a good chance of being around in the future, to imprison.
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Post by Boris on Jun 14, 2009 11:11:17 GMT -5
I think playing a guessing game over why people were Imprisoned isn't as valuable as looking at what people in the Burg are actually doing... It's fine to speculate every now and then but that's really all it is, speculation -_- We can sit here and say "Robert must have been imprisoned because one of Iris/Faith/Ariel is a Spy" or "Robert must have been imprisoned because none of Iris/Faith/Ariel is a Spy and they're being set up" and where does that leave us? Well, we know that Iris, Faith, and Ariel are either Spies or Citizens... That's not really breaking news -_- I WANT to say very badly that I agree with you, but to be honest I think this thread demands like, 10 minutes of thought tops on something that I'm sure most of us have thought of before. That, and I don't see how extra information can't hurt us, even if it seems distracting. I mean, what's wrong with trying to figure out a method to the spies madness? Unless of course you're a spy, in which case I can see why you would have a problem with that. To the thread at hand: Robert: Like many people, I thought maybe the whole Robert/Yvette thing had something to do with his passing, but more and more I just keep thinking that they decided to take out someone who didn't have a whole lot of suspicion on him (aside from the fake fight), and ended up hitting a gold mine in the form of a quagmire of suspicion for all those involved in his plan. Mei - She was pushy and wasn't getting exiled. Gabriela - While I never spoke to her personally, I got the feeling that behind that old face was a very smart player, and I imagine the spies saw this as well, identified her as a future threat that couldn't be managed, and got rid of her. Ed - I spoke to him once. He was very adamant about getting rid of Gretchen, which while I don't agree with this sentiment, maybe the theory of the future spies picking who to get rid of in round five is correct. I'm a little more at a loss with this one. |
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Post by Jason on Jun 14, 2009 11:44:14 GMT -5
Yeah Boris, just typing up opinions is cool, I'm just hoping nobody is analyzing conversations and spending hours on something that we can't really answer for sure until after the game is over... And it would be easy for Spies to post reasons that would frame other people for the Imprisonments, too, which would be even worse for us.
It's cool to speculate, but look where speculation got us with Yvette -_-
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Post by Boris on Jun 14, 2009 12:36:09 GMT -5
No more feminazi?
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Post by Khaled on Jun 14, 2009 13:10:58 GMT -5
I WANT to say very badly that I agree with you, but to be honest I think this thread demands like, 10 minutes of thought tops on something that I'm sure most of us have thought of before. This. Robert--He was imprisoned because the artificial limb company he worked for went belly up, and he was discovered to have basically stolen a ton of shareholder funds for personal use. Mei Yun--She got into a barfight and killed a guy. Gabriela--She was a chronic shoplifter, but never got caught because she was old and made liberal use of the excuse "I thought I paid for this already!" That is, until the police finally searched her house, finding well over $100,000 in stolen items ranging from books to clothes to jewelry. Ed--Ed was found out to secretly be running an international diamond smuggling ring; using his position as an air traffic controller to get blood diamonds from Africa brought in through commercial airports. After Interpol alerted the CIA to the situation, Ed managed to flee his home before they arrived, but he was stopped at El Paso, TX trying to cross the border and arrested. |
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Post by Levi on Jun 14, 2009 13:26:48 GMT -5
I WANT to say very badly that I agree with you, but to be honest I think this thread demands like, 10 minutes of thought tops on something that I'm sure most of us have thought of before. This. Robert--He was imprisoned because the artificial limb company he worked for went belly up, and he was discovered to have basically stolen a ton of shareholder funds for personal use. Mei Yun--She got into a barfight and killed a guy. Gabriela--She was a chronic shoplifter, but never got caught because she was old and made liberal use of the excuse "I thought I paid for this already!" That is, until the police finally searched her house, finding well over $100,000 in stolen items ranging from books to clothes to jewelry. Ed--Ed was found out to secretly be running an international diamond smuggling ring; using his position as an air traffic controller to get blood diamonds from Africa brought in through commercial airports. After Interpol alerted the CIA to the situation, Ed managed to flee his home before they arrived, but he was stopped at El Paso, TX trying to cross the border and arrested. Khaled just won another thread! I seriously think that the Spies are trying to keep the Levi case alive by Imprisoning Ed. I mentioned him as a suspect, he mentioned me as a suspect, and he got Imprisoned. |
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Post by Ellis on Jun 14, 2009 16:27:47 GMT -5
Khaled wins.
Also, I think it's possible one of Faith and Iris are a spy. They've acted and voted so much alike to my mind that I doubt both is, which worries me. If there's a lot of people who I suspect suggesting one of them is a spy, it makes me think that perhaps the other one is.
Edit: wrong thread, sorry.
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Post by Tiberius on Jun 14, 2009 17:01:51 GMT -5
Khaled is indeed thread champion.
Anyway, one thing I really wanted to mention is that I think people need to stop being so "afraid" of WIFOM. Now, I'm new to online mafia, so maybe I just don't understand yet what's so dangerous about WIFOM, but to me I think some people are just being a little too afraid of it...
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Post by Rey on Jun 14, 2009 17:05:35 GMT -5
Some people can't drink wine.
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 14, 2009 17:14:53 GMT -5
Khaled is indeed thread champion. Anyway, one thing I really wanted to mention is that I think people need to stop being so "afraid" of WIFOM. Now, I'm new to online mafia, so maybe I just don't understand yet what's so dangerous about WIFOM, but to me I think some people are just being a little too afraid of it... Everyone does things for a reason. We can always attempt to determine what that reason is. WIFOM is the idea that we have no idea which of two possibilities is more likely to be correct, yet that is rarely the case. WIFOM is overrated. |
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Post by Amelia on Jun 14, 2009 17:23:34 GMT -5
Why do you think each person was Imprisoned? Imprisonment 1 - x Imprisonment 2 - Robert Imprisonment 3 - Mei Imprisonment 4 - Gabriela Imprisonment 5 - Ed I think Robert was either a frame or they were afraid of his Spy-catching abilities. Mei was probably offed due to her activity and loudness. Gabriela was a tough cookie by all accounts, so I'm not suprised the Spies offed her. She would have seemed pretty dangerous to them. Ed...uh, what? I would have expected a couple of others to go before Ed. Maybe they thought he had a role? Maybe he pegged every single Spy with his suspicions? |
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Post by Iris on Jun 14, 2009 19:51:36 GMT -5
Does anyone know exactly who Gabriela suspected?
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