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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 2:02:56 GMT -5
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 2:23:43 GMT -5
Jenya spotting Paris and Jaya in a PM and Paris back-peddling. Wonder if he had another discussion going on? Would she point this out to the rest of the room if she was also a Spy? Need to keep in mind the Spies did not know Paris was a traitor though. spies6Jenya (5:26:31 PM): Who else are you discussing with? spies6jaya (5:26:32 PM): jenya just more successful than most spies6Tiberius (5:26:33 PM): jaya burn spies6rey (5:26:38 PM): ouch jaya .... spies6Paris (5:26:50 PM): At that moment when you asked me, Alma sent me a chat spies6Jenya (5:27:03 PM): Who else? spies6Gabriela (5:27:04 PM): my word, i did miss a lot spies6Paris (5:27:11 PM): thats about but it was a matter of answering questions within the chat as well spies6almathea (5:27:13 PM): Jaya entereed before the Jenya spies6jaya (5:27:17 PM): 6:07 spies6Jenya (5:27:24 PM): You said "several other discussions" spies6Jenya (5:27:32 PM): Not "one other discussion" spies6Jenya (5:27:44 PM): What ones aren't you telling us about? spies6Jenya (5:27:51 PM): The ones with spies? spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg90999&action=display&thread=625 |
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 2:24:11 GMT -5
Funniest thing I have found so far: Surely Jaya’s not stupid enough to think it’s turned into a PM between the Spies??? Surely not... spies6jaya (5:52:22 PM): so does anyone have a clue who they're voting for spies6jaya (5:52:50 PM): i need a bandwagon to jump on -- cause i don't have a clue myself spies6pete (5:53:04 PM): they? spies6pete (5:53:10 PM): dont you mean us? spies6Jenya (5:53:18 PM): I'm voting for Mei Yun. spies6pete (5:53:27 PM): eh? spies6rey (5:53:42 PM): uhh mei yun isn't in our group. spies6rey (5:53:45 PM): spies6jaya (5:53:48 PM): yea maybe i phrased that poorly spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg90999&action=display&thread=625 |
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 2:27:19 GMT -5
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 2:27:42 GMT -5
Jenya and Almathea linked again: spies6Jenya (3:06:56 PM): Alma, Ellis accused either you or I of framing Jaya yesterday. spies6almathea (3:07:04 PM): what? spies6almathea (3:07:09 PM): how and how? spies6Jenya (3:07:20 PM): He just thought it was weird that when I warned you spies6Jenya (3:07:28 PM): That suddenly a Jaya wagon began? spies6Jenya (3:07:33 PM): So he's convinced Jaya is innocent. spies6Jenya (3:18:48 PM): I'm going to take a risk that there are no spies in this room right now. spies6Jenya (3:19:04 PM): If Alma is a spy, she just asked all her spy friends who are online for advice. spies6Jenya (3:19:22 PM): And maybe they gave her advice, so keep an eye out for shifts in strategy that don't sound like Alma. spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg90999&action=display&thread=631 |
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 2:29:20 GMT -5
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 2:30:22 GMT -5
Jenya blasting Khaled’s idea (random.org for voting - the one Mirela thought was ok): I agree with Khaled that Yvette should be more tolerant. Being militant all the time is keeping some people out of the spies6 chatroom. I think if Khaled actually uses random.org to pick his vote, that would be a very evil thing. You owe it to everyone to choose wisely, and if you allow someone to be voted out because of a random number, that is terrible. Not to mention it covers your butt for future days. Imagine if we all did what you are talking about doing, Khaled. It would defeat the purpose of the game entirely. More importantly though it's not a very nice thing to do--imagine the feeling if you are a cit who gets voted off because someone didn't take the time to pay full attention and make the most intelligent choice. If you never intended to vote randomly, you should make that very clear and retract your original comment. |
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 2:46:09 GMT -5
Another example of a player who has switched out of their original character, Jenya: Robert, I'm really glad you figured out how to relax--you sound so much better. I hope the salt scrub, bath and candles helped. I suggest chamomile tea and some soothing music after a long stressful week on the job. Hopefully with your energy back in tune, you'll find it easier to catch spies. ps. be sure to give Yvette that extra salt scrub I left with you |
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 2:50:04 GMT -5
Jenya quizzing Jaya on thoughts on Pete: spies6Jenya (1:43:24 PM): spies6Jenya (8:35:01 PM):Have you talked with Pete?spies6jaya (8:35:44 PM):a little bit -- i think he's been in the main chat a few times when i was therespies6Jenya (8:35:53 PM):He was pretty quiet today.spies6Jenya (8:36:00 PM):Any thoughts on him yet?spies6jaya (8:37:02 PM):i haven't seen him do anything really suspicious, but i wouldn't be surprised if he did spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg90999&action=display&thread=662 |
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 2:55:18 GMT -5
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 2:57:52 GMT -5
Jenya defending Jaya: spies6tiberius (2:58:17 PM):what's been going on since yesterday? spies6jaya (2:58:40 PM):not much spies6jaya (2:58:45 PM):at least not for me spies6tiberius (2:58:55 PM):yeah spies6tiberius (2:58:57 PM):just got here spies6jaya (2:59:02 PM):Yvette seems to have kinds of interesting things to sift thru spies6tiberius (2:59:05 PM):so i feel like i might have mssed something spies6Tiberius (1:47:49 PM): spies6tiberius (2:59:22 PM):i feel somewhat sure yvette is a cit... spies6jaya (3:00:54 PM):seems like it so far spies6tiberius (3:01:10 PM):it's not lke we could do much about it if she's not though spies6jaya (3:01:14 PM):of course, i really am suspiciious of almost everyone spies6tiberius (3:01:21 PM):we have to find em in our own group 0-0 spies6tiberius (3:25:36 PM):si? spies6jaya (3:26:06 PM):? spies6tiberius (3:26:33 PM): spies6tiberius (3:28:31 PM):... because when we exile it has to be someone in our own group? am I wrong or something? spies6jaya (3:29:22 PM):no that's right spies6tiberius (3:29:31 PM):alrighty spies6Tiberius (1:47:53 PM): there we go spies6Tiberius (1:47:58 PM): pay attention to the time stamps spies6ellis (1:48:53 PM): Twenty minutes? spies6ellis (1:48:55 PM): What happened then? spies6Tiberius (1:49:04 PM): that was seriously our whole conversation spies6jason (1:49:15 PM): lol wow spies6ellis (1:49:52 PM): Well it's more than I got. spies6Jenya (1:50:30 PM): She probably went to dinner. spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg90999&action=display&thread=662 |
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 3:01:44 GMT -5
Pete and Jenya discussing voting Almathea. Who told you Pete to look at Alma in more detail? spies6pete (3:46:33 PM): someone told me to look through the chat logs and only look at her spies6pete (3:46:55 PM): and actually, even though I had to be told it, it is true, she never did anything (in terms of helping us get the spies) spies6rey (3:46:57 PM): i realize that i am the person that started the suspicion on her, but i always second guess my suspicions. @_@ spies6rey (3:47:03 PM): yeah pete. spies6Jenya (3:47:04 PM): You should. spies6rey (3:47:05 PM): that was me. spies6pete (3:47:38 PM): i dont like being told how things should go, but actually, after looking at it, it seems, well, yeah spies6pete (3:47:52 PM): is it between joc and alm then? spies6Gabriela (3:48:01 PM): so it would seem spies6Tiberius (3:48:25 PM): si spies6rey (3:48:56 PM): uhh RL problems.... spies6rey (3:48:57 PM): brb. spies6Jenya (3:49:25 PM): Pete, did anyone try to convince you much who to vote for? spies6pete (3:49:27 PM): brb myself spies6Tiberius (3:49:36 PM): hey ellis spies6ellis (3:49:40 PM): Hi. spies6jason (3:49:41 PM): Hi Ellis spies6ellis (3:49:53 PM): I've just read that chat in our private burg. spies6ellis (3:49:58 PM): You guys had fun while I was gone! spies6Tiberius (3:50:02 PM): Guys i'm going to go afk to check on some things spies6pete (3:50:03 PM): (jenya, short answer: not really, no) ok cya guys in about 10 mins or so? spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg90999&action=display&thread=662 |
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 3:02:00 GMT -5
Yvette’s analysis of the thread which lead to Alma being exiled. Have brought this in as it links Jenya and Alma in several sections, and also highlights Pete’s comments on voting which I too think are odd. I am just going to deconstruct what I see, and pick out as much relevant information coming to Almathea as a suspicious figure, coming from Almathea as potential citizen clears, and about Almathea to prove who really pushed the case and who hopped on top. Was there a point to this? Just seconds later she starts complaining about polls in the burg. It seems that Jenya didn't give Almathea the bite to her bait that she was looking for? +1 Jenya Note to the burg - Do not stop making polls and making "mountains out of nothing". Also, Almathea has not named anyone up to this point except for Robert. So unless I am mistaken... +1 Robert Oh. My. Goodness. THIS.
Why would Almathea feel backstabbed? Let's put it into a different perspective. Almathea knows that she is a spy. She knows she is likely to leave at this exile. Now why does she feel backstabbed? If it's taking you a while, my thoughts are that potentially a partner was a very big proponent of her exile, or hopped on board and threw her under the bus and she was visibly upset by it. Also, +2 Ellis for Almathea making a clear and unbridled attack against him, but -1 for his supposed switch from Jaya to Almathea. I would like to see this explained. Nevermind that above bit with Ellis' -1, and give him another +1, which puts him at three very positive points in his favor just from Almathea alone. Also, this is extremely intriguing when you look at it in terms of the Paris case. Almathea is accused of framing Jaya (+1 Jaya, by the way), yet Paris still votes for someone his team agrees on, in the end, is probably trying to be framed by a spy. It's quite curious. -1 Paris Nothing solid, but it's feeding information and it seems like hesitance towards telling someone you are voting for them by footing the bill to others. Also, I'm going to keep noted the "scattered play" thing for the future. -1 Jenya I would encourage everyone not to read into the alignment implications behind this quote. Firstly, other than the people talking, we have absolutely no idea of who exactly is in the room. Jenya certainly, though, does list herself, Gabriela, Tiberius, and Jason. The reason why we cannot take much away from this is that all four of these people voted for Almathea. However, and perhaps this is just my thinking, but if I were a spy with a group of people who were convinced that my partner was a spy, and a citizen told me "I'm going to take a risk that there are no spies in this room right now", I would take the advantageous position of exiling Almathea, who is likely to leave in the next week anyway, and gain favor in Jenya's mind. Tiberius, Gabriela, and Jason are not cleared from this vote. Now we see ulterior motive. +1 for Jenya.  Weren't you so sure that Callahan was a citizen? +1 Jenya. Speaks for itself. Cannot blame you for having a paranoid gut reaction, but -1. SPYDAR ALERT, SPYDAR ALERT  In my oh-so-humble opinion, the case was not that compelling. From what I heard from several sources, the case was done here, in this group chat. Which you seemed to miss a bit of. Of course, this is the first post, so we shall see. Also, the last bit is just plan odd. Really the translation of above is "I never take secondary information into account (In other words, I have not really been present for anything you've said or done). However, a lot of people suspect you (Hence, it is compelling). So I am going to vote you too. Also, please don't get saved. It will explain a lot to me. Perhaps who is willing to write me off as a citizen once you are flipped spy, for example." Yes, I went a bit overboard, but really now. -2 for Pete. [Simultaneously chases all of you around with a chainsaw that said "Callahan totally acted like a citizen" when Almathea did the exact same thing according to your group.] Odd again. -1 Pete. Because, well, after looking at this transcript, I know that you are an intelligent quiet player, but you seem, well, yeah. -1 Gabriela. A potential attempt to save Almathea by getting just one more vote (Hers would go there as well) on Jocelyn. In effect, turning all "I want to vote Jocelyn" voters off from the idea because Rey will not support them on that vote, and for them to turn to Jaya so late would be a fail move. You most certainly did. -1 Rey. First, that quote from another site is extremely superficial. Not only is it not me, but whomever it is probably has 1. Played more than 2 seasons (Note they say series, not season, and references multiple aliases), and 2. Is awful. Regardless, I am a woman, and thus, I am flawless. Oh, also, Meta=Fail. But you can certainly try to make the accusation!  Then hopefully you are Imprisoned or Exiled before the end of the game, because if you refuse to ever review any old information and you make it to the Final 3 with a spy, we lose. -3 Tiberius. That is exactly what a spy would do. And if you are a citizen, you admit to making an incredibly misinformed decision and not caring about reviewing the evidence. That's it for post one. Coincidentally, these were all posted in reverse order. I am not going to tally things up, but the + are for Citizen behavior and the - are for Spy behavior. This one took over an hour to do, so I'm taking a break. |
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 3:04:39 GMT -5
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 3:05:04 GMT -5
And this. Further Jenya and Almathea connections: From my first conversation with Jenya: [15:51] spies6Yvette: How is your group holding up? [15:51] spies6Yvette: I have heard Almathea is a big target. [15:51] spies6Jenya: Well, I think they are looking at a few people closely. [15:51] spies6Jenya: Yes, Almathea. Who mentioned that to you?[15:52] spies6Yvette: I noticed Rey said it in your forum. [15:52] spies6Jenya: I'm interested to see who the spies are pushing as easy exiles today. [15:52] spies6Jenya: They must have planned it all by now, don't you think? [15:53] spies6Yvette: I think if all seven spies, or at least all the spies in the same group, were working the same angle, they'd be too easy to catch too soon. [15:53] spies6Yvette: I actually doubt any spy will be the biggest proponent of an actual exile this week. [15:54] spies6Yvette: Perhaps pushing an exile on an unlynchable target, but not leading a citizen's demise so soon. [15:54] spies6Jenya: So who's not leading, but subtly supporting? [15:54] spies6Jenya: In your group? [15:54] spies6Yvette: Callahan. [15:54] spies6Jenya: Playing the Wizard of Oz so to speak? [15:55] spies6Yvette: Callahan is really the only one that comes to mind, although Khaled is shockingly reserved for as active as he seems to be. [15:55] spies6Yvette: All I have heard is that he will "Take his data public" when he finds it, and I've seen nothing yet. [15:55] spies6Jenya: Interesting. [15:55] spies6Jenya: That's not very helpful, it's pretty selfish actually. [15:55] spies6Yvette: Yes. And protective of himself. [15:55] spies6Jenya: I have a question. [15:56] spies6Jenya: Why did you say you were a spy three times before it was announced that the spies were already picked? [15:56] spies6Yvette: Humor? [15:56] spies6Jenya: It caught my eye, to be honest. It catches my eye when I was going back through my threads looking for conversations where Almathea was mentioned, because Jenya was quick to wonder why the Almathea case was spreading, and seemed quite quick to change the subject, several times throughout the entire conversation. |
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 3:07:35 GMT -5
Pete’s initial thoughts on Jenya. She apparently changed after Paris (Spy) called her out for being inactive. Would a Spy aligned player call out another Spy so vocally? Doubtful. Especially considering his role. Jenya - (5.5) - I wasnt the group chat, and so I dont know the tone of the room at the time, but after Paris said something about Jenya, I noticed that she was trying to promote herself as active, but then immediately jumped into deflecting what was said at her to others. I cant tell if maybe that was what the momentum of the room was, or if it was a ploy she was using. spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg90999&action=display&thread=625&page=2#1858 |
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 3:08:18 GMT -5
Was word given from SpyMate Jenya to Almathea? as i've previously mentioned this to kirsten, alma said this earlier in the day that she panickedly asked who suspected her: spies6almathea (5:22:28 PM): is paris online i want to talk to him it should also be noted that later in the chat, when robert asked why he should tell her if he suspects her, she said: spies6almathea (5:35:09 PM): okay crytonite (lol) i have just gotten word (and from a fellow team mate) that i am being suspected heavily; reasons this team mate told me to ask around - even people on other teams! |
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Post by Jenya on Jul 21, 2009 3:39:14 GMT -5
I've said before that I told Almathea she was being suspected heavily. Remember, I had no clue whether she was a Cit or a Spy. This was the day before exile, I believe.
spies6almathea (3:24:28 PM): hey!
spies6Jenya (3:25:13 PM): Hey!
spies6Jenya (3:25:18 PM): You're in trouble, girl.
spies6Jenya (3:25:25 PM): Are you a spy? Cause lots of people think you are.
spies6almathea (3:26:18 PM): no....
spies6almathea (3:26:21 PM): wait
spies6almathea (3:26:24 PM): lots of people?
spies6almathea (3:26:25 PM):
spies6almathea (3:26:28 PM): just what i need
spies6almathea (3:26:31 PM): who thinks it?
spies6Jenya (3:26:45 PM): Oh man, I've been talking with lots of people.
spies6Jenya (3:26:53 PM): A lot of the reasons aren't very good either.
spies6almathea (3:27:02 PM): what are the reasons?
spies6almathea (3:27:11 PM): im not like jaya or ganz, i a m trying so hard
spies6Jenya (3:27:19 PM): Backstabbing, nicey nice, um
spies6almathea (3:27:29 PM): backstabbing? !
spies6Jenya (3:27:32 PM): Chatting with Paris in private lol
spies6almathea (3:27:48 PM): nobody has come to me about this
spies6almathea (3:27:53 PM): thank yo so much for telling me
spies6almathea (3:28:00 PM): i need to address this, this is insane
spies6Jenya (3:28:03 PM): Well, yeah.
spies6Jenya (3:28:13 PM): If you are a citizen, you're in a big hole.
spies6Jenya (3:28:26 PM): Like every chat today your name came up as a top suspect.
spies6almathea (3:28:29 PM): all ive done is chat to people and say what i thought
spies6Jenya (3:28:38 PM): Who are your big suspects right now?
spies6almathea (3:28:40 PM): and in the thread all people say is "no read"
spies6almathea (3:28:47 PM): right now Jaya
spies6Jenya (3:28:53 PM): She is my #1
spies6almathea (3:28:53 PM): rey im swinging back to
spies6almathea (3:29:01 PM): and out of gut feeling pete
spies6almathea (3:29:14 PM): i would say ellis but on very little information
spies6almathea (3:29:25 PM): like admitting to lurking - then rey over defending his "ideas"
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 3:43:04 GMT -5
Ossy knew what was going on. Chatting to Jenya yet again about suspects (by yet again I mean Jenya asking people). I reckon he may be 3/3 here. spies6oswald (1:57:59 PM): well here's the thing Jenya, we haven't talked to hardly anyone in the game...you asked me who I am leaning towards, since I have very little information I would tend to lean towards Levi and Paris and I guess possibly Iris spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg90999&action=display&thread=890 |
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 4:05:14 GMT -5
Jenya opposed to the Donald lynching. Please note this round (Exile 4), the people who voted Donald #1 were: Kirsten, Amelia, Ed, Rey, Roxy and myself. Jenya went with Georgia as her number one vote, yet she says in this chatpiece she thinks she’s a Cit along with Roxy??? Kirsten's case reminds me of the case on Callahan. Accusing Donald of lying about the Roxy/Gretchen vote is quite a stretch. I'm not positive Donald is a citizen, because he's never really around to talk with, but the cases here look a lot like nitpicking and possibly a case manufactured to protect Yvette. Especially considering Kirsten IMed me this last Friday: spies6Jenya (2:18:51 PM): So Roxy's a cit and georgia too. How about Donald and William? spies6Kirsten (2:19:09 PM): Donald I was originally very suspicious of, but the more I've spoken with him the less suspicious of him I am spies6Kirsten (2:19:36 PM): He's kind of "behind the scenes" but he at least keeps a level head and is willing to alter his opinion readily based on new information surfacing spies6Kirsten (2:19:43 PM): at this point, I'm not terribly suspicious So what changed between Friday night and Sunday at 3AM? You did a 180 degree flip on Donald in 36 hours. Based on old evidence from a vote conversation last Tuesday? If you didn't find him suspicious for the four days following the conversation, why did you suddenly find him suspicious for it on Sunday at 3AM? I'm curious.. Donald and Jaya both threw a (-1) on Georgia. Kirsten, do you think that's the kind of thing spies would do? Also, you and Donald both voted Gretchen, the leading alternative to voting a spy. Do you think the vote for Gretchen was an anti-town, irrational vote that didn't fit the available evidence? I know you also suspect William strongly. Why aren't you bringing a case against him today? |
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 4:07:44 GMT -5
Kirsten dissects Jenya’s theory about her voting with Donald / against Donald / around Donald / under Donald. What I found interesting about this is there was no response from Jenya once Kirsten tore her points apart. That, and it’s pretty entertaining as I am a Cit. Kirsten, you've admitted to persuading Donald to change his (-) vote to Georgia. Correct. No. Why are you assuming things you could easily verify simply by reading the chat posted? Gretchen being the competing wagon to Jaya doesn't clear her. Secondly, I'm not trying to pin Gretchen votes on Donald. Seriously, have you even read this thread, or are you just tossing dirt on me? Tell me where I have ever tried to pin the Gretchen votes on Donald. William is not one of my biggest suspects. He ranks around like 7-10th on my list right now. Donald was someone I considered a citizen at the time. I suggest you read this thread and check up on your facts before tossing dirt. Nope. See above. I didn't chat with William or Gretchen at all about my vote. Right. Well. I was away the entire weekend. I never spoke to William about Gretchen. I didn't try to convince Donald to vote Gretchen. Yvette's vote was originally on Georgia, and she swapped to Jaya at the last minute. She would have never voted Gretchen. Try again? Jenya. Be honest with us here. Did you read the thread, or did you look for incriminating portions of it you could pull out of context to attack me with? I never said it was evidence that Donald's number 2 wanted his number 1 dead. Please, tell me where I've used that as evidence against him? Hint: I haven't. William I listed as neutral. Donald I listed as "leaning cit." My number 2 and 3? Uh...ok? It doesn't look like you follow your own guidelines, but you sure use them to make cases on other people. Maybe you're getting a little careless or forgetful under the stress of nearly losing your spypartner Yvette? Gingko biloba tablets will help you cope with the forgetfulness, dear. Maybe you should actually take the time to understand the situation before ripping things out of context entirely and trying to pin the mish-mash of misinformation on me. |
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Post by Jenya on Jul 21, 2009 4:11:04 GMT -5
Jenya went with Georgia as her number one vote, yet she says in this chatpiece she thinks she’s a Cit along with Roxy??? Gretchen, in that quote, I'm referring to Kirsten's comment two minutes earlier: spies6Kirsten (2:16:21 PM): Let's see. I think Roxy is a citizen, as well as Georgia. spies6Kirsten (2:17:09 PM): Levi, I wouldn't be surprised to see him as a spy |
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 4:12:51 GMT -5
Ed mentioning the Levi / Mirela association. Levi responding and adding in Jenya defending him. I am adding this to the report as I think it’s odd that 3 of the remaining players are involved in something which was seemingly trivial at the time, but could potentially have a bigger impact now. Keep in mind too a couple of posts after this Khaled tells us to vote for Mirela due to her out-right lying in relation to her internet connectivity. We have exiled several Spies because of this reason, yet she is still around. This a rough estimation of my suspects, from most likely to be Citizens to most likely to be spies. Levi/Mirela - Based solely on voting, both of them don't look so hot. Mirela has Exiled 2 Citizens and Paris, while Levi Exiled Yvette and Paris. Yes, Paris was a bad guy but the spies almost certainly didn't know that. As Khaled pointed out, Boris and Levi have voted identically, including a vote for Roxy in Episode 1. Mirela's disconnection defense is quickly evaporating and my only discussion with her about suspects was like pulling her rotten yellow teeth. I've even thought that their sniping at each other could be planned, especially since the question of who Mirela was talking to was almost immediately answered. However, it's more likely that just one of them is a spy....now I just have to figure out which one.  Notice that he first voices suspicion of me immediately after I first voice suspicion of him (correct me if I'm wrong here). Also notice how he provides no new thoughts about me. OMGUS or a bandwagon? Notice that he first voices suspicion of me immediately after I first voice suspicion of him (correct me if I'm wrong here). Also notice how he provides no new thoughts about me. OMGUS or a bandwagon? We weren't on the same team for the first 2 episodes and we hadn't talked at all until yesterday. Our one conversation immediately raised my suspicion of you since you seemed very interested in who my top suspects were without ever offering up any of your own opinions. And I did provide new thoughts: the possible spy cooperation between yourself and Mirela. It is completely WIFOM, but if you two were both spies, building public cases against each other (that conveniently fall apart) would be one way to convince people that you can't possibly both be spies. Also, if one of you is Exiled, the survivor looks more Citizen-like for having suspected the Exiled spy. Donald - From day one I got a feeling that he had something to hide. Evidence has been brought up against him, which agrees with my earlier suspicions. I'm not writing him off as a Spy yet, but he is currently a major suspect. SPY SCALE: 7 spies6levi (8:05:13 PM): I mean, the cases on Boris and Donald could hardly be called cases It's possible that you had a change of heart in a matter of hours, except that you just said again that you suspect Donald. What gives? |
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 4:36:22 GMT -5
Georgia on voting choices for Episode Five. She does indeed go with Jenya. And there’s also a little bit of reasoning this time, not just a list of least/most scummy: Roxy and I haven't fought for awhile. We actually you know... work together. Even if you fight with someone, you can still multi-task and work. I was going to vote for Levi, however he was gone for the majority of this episode, and he hasn't done anything scummy - the little bastard. (Joke, don't assume.) Then I thought Jenya or Amelia. Jenya because she creeps me out, and annoys the crap out of me how she is all questionquestionquestion; then doesn't answer me when I ask her questions. Let alone, she has twisted my words before. Amelia. I don't like her whole thing on being willing to vote for people, before she has even talked to them. However, since she gets a bunch of penalty votes; I won't vote her. Because a spy I would think, would have more initiative to be active; and not risk exiling themselves because of inactivty. Other than that. I'm not sure. |
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 4:37:07 GMT -5
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 4:38:23 GMT -5
Iris and Levi would make some pretty decent looking SpyBabies: This is actually a really good question. Imprisonment 2 - Robert: I think he was imprisoned because in the beginning he looked like he was going to be a big threat to Spies. He was clearly sharp. Imprisonment 3 - Mei: I think she was imprisoned either to confuse, or to make Levi look bad. (I'm sorry, maybe I have a Levi blind spot, but I just with my gut do not believe he's a spy.) Levi, when you're back, is there any chance that you told anyone before the Imprisonment that Mei Yun was your partner? Imprisonment 4 - Gabriela: she must have been onto something. I didn't talk to her much so I don't know, but could she have been onto Donald? Imprisonment 5 - Ed: I have a theory on this. Ed was pretty close-lipped apart from a few people he trusted. If it's true that the Spies had to pick him for Imprisonment ahead of time then maybe they struck him as the kind of person who was not going to make a huge fuss of it in public. Holy shit, look at this. It’s like Iris and Jenya are of the same brain: Assuming the Spies knew Ed could find a way out of Imprisonment if he communicated effectively... ...it's a theory that the Spies chose Ed because they knew they could control him. He'd come to them first with the information and they could shut him down before he told anyone else and found a way to save himself. |
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 4:42:38 GMT -5
Jason defending Levi. I happen to think the Donald case was reasonably strong – especially given the limited amount of information / posts he actually provided to the Burg before Kirsten caught him out in his SpyLie: Not looking good for you, Levi. I don't see how this is strong evidence against Levi... A lot of us voted for Yvette... That doesn't make us all Spies, or at least I know it doesn't make me a Spy. Him calling the Donald case nitpicky could be a Spy trying to defend his friend, sure, but I thought it was a pretty weak case, too, and I bet there are others that thought so that episode or else Yvette probably would be here. Jenya adding her voice to defend Levi: Levi hasn't done a ton to make himself look less spyish, but I'd say that other people's actions surrounding Levi make him look a little less spyish than he otherwise would right now. The possibility of competing wagons on two spies gets less and less as time goes on. I think presenting any and all evidence is the right thing to do right now, but after watching the wagon(s) pushed forth to protect Donald, I'm hesitant to go after either one of them. And William calling her on it: Levi hasn't done a ton to make himself look less spyish, but I'd say that other people's actions surrounding Levi make him look a little less spyish than he otherwise would right now. The possibility of competing wagons on two spies gets less and less as time goes on. I think presenting any and all evidence is the right thing to do right now, but after watching the wagon(s) pushed forth to protect Donald, I'm hesitant to go after either one of them. That'd be nice for you, seeing as you're one of the ones who defended him. And by defended I mean tried consistently to derail it into a Kirsten bandwagon. |
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 4:44:40 GMT -5
Jenya on her votes Exile 4. Georgia, Faith, then Donald: Why are you trying to confuse the subject, Kirsten? What really mattered at the last exile was the order of Donald/Levi. I had Donald in front of Levi, meaning I wanted him exiled instead of Levi, who clearly knew he was the alternative for days ahead of time. Do you suspect that was busing on my part? Do you suspect my placement of Georgia #1 was an elaborate attempt to protect Donald? Rey’s take on Donald being Exiled. Now keep in mind, Amelia knew about people’s interest being peaked in Donald, as Kirsten goes on to say in a second. Kirsten also says that there were 3 last minute votes on him (Ed, Rey and myself). Which, in theory, the Spies didn’t have time to change their votes. Meaning Amelia and Kirsten??? Or just Amelia??? Kirsten like I have mentioned, didn’t have to change my vote. Looking rather Cittish now. I actually don't think the spies realized the amount of support for a Donald exile. I have the feeling they were taken by surprise. Which is why I suspect Levi to have been their target exile, and that the Donald voters are all likely citizens. I'm still unsure though, as one or more spies could have voted him because they thought there wasn't any support for his exile. Why are you trying to confuse the subject, Kirsten? What really mattered at the last exile was the order of Donald/Levi. I had Donald in front of Levi, meaning I wanted him exiled instead of Levi, who clearly knew he was the alternative for days ahead of time. Do you suspect that was busing on my part? Do you suspect my placement of Georgia #1 was an elaborate attempt to protect Donald? The only reason the Donald/Levi order mattered was because of the sheer number of people who voted Donald in the first round, assuring he would last long enough in the running to have other people get to the part of the list he was on. The way you are wording this is misleading. You act as though Donald was an expected exile choice long before the exile, and that you ordered your list such that Donald was ahead of Levi specifically because you knew the exile would come down to those two. There's no way you could have known that. Prior to about 30 minutes before exile, Me, Roxy, and Amelia were the only votes for Donald. Based on the exile discussion thread, Amelia was the only person who explicitly said Donald was their top vote. Roxy and I both had Mirela as ours, but removed Mirela from the running once it was shown that the "lie" wasn't as cut and dry as it appeared. So you tell me, how did you know the exile was going to be between Donald and Levi? What you're trying to do is use the events of the exile (it came down to Donald and Levi) and try to fashion that as justification for your actions that took place prior to the exile. Your vote was Georgia, then Faith, then Donald. It's entirely possible you expected someone else to get exiled in the meantime. It's entirely possible you did not expect Donald votes and figured there would be no harm in ranking him fairly high. Adding this in as I find it interesting that Rey and Levi were good mates at one point, so it would seem. Levi then began to turn on Rey and called him all sorts of names, pushing his exile and calling him a Spy. I wonder why? I guess I exaggerated the situation in my head. Here's the whole chat, so everyone can see. And that's when I closed my laptop. |
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 4:46:38 GMT -5
Jenya on Amelia. It’s only a small snippet by I find it odd, and have done a couple of times, that Jenya will always ask people’s opinions of others on AIM, yet doesn’t seem to give her own opinions – they seem to be somewhat saved for the Burg. I say somewhat because I myself have only chatted with her a couple of times, and it’s just a trend I have noticed in some of the chats posted so far. Amelia, I'm kind of floored that as of 4PM Exile day: * You hadn't talked with William yet, EVER * You hadn't talked with Ariel yet, EVER * You weren't sure if you'd talked with Faith, EVER * You didn't know that Ariel helped exile Jaya * You hadn't read Faith's latest suspicions posts yet you found her "thoughtful" (1:40:02 PM) spies6amelia: of William or Faith, I'd rather see William go since Faith actually posts thoughtful stuff and seems to be participating much more (1:53:25 PM) spies6Jenya: Have you AIMed with Faith? (1:53:32 PM) spies6amelia: I'm not sure (1:53:46 PM) spies6amelia: I don't have a log of her, but I didn't learn to turn that on until about a week and a half ago (1:54:06 PM) spies6Jenya: What's your take on Faith? (1:54:21 PM) spies6amelia: well, I think she's suspicious (1:54:31 PM) spies6amelia: she was sort of in the background until she came under scrutiny (1:54:42 PM) spies6amelia: and then all of a sudden she's springing forward with lists of suspicions (1:54:51 PM) spies6amelia: and long posts about what's going on (1:55:37 PM) spies6amelia: I think either one wouldn't be a bad idea (1:58:29 PM) spies6Jenya: Do you agree or disagree with Faith's suspicions? (1:58:38 PM) spies6amelia: I haven't read them yet (1:58:40 PM) spies6Jenya: For the most part If you're a Citizen, you might just be the most uninformed citizen ever. And I'd be amazed if a spy was this far out of the loop, but Donald was pretty out of it. For some reason I had a cittish read off of you before today, but considering you don't know much at all about the top exile targets today, I think you should be strongly considered for the next exile. |
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Post by Gretchen on Jul 21, 2009 4:47:57 GMT -5
Jenya asking about the changes of voting to Iris. And asking Iris herself. Would she just have PM’d her if she was her SpyBuddy or did she remember that Iris maybe couldn’t answer due to her computer issues? Can we use this thread right now to track the vote changes yesterday? I believe Kirsten wanted William for a while, and after talking to William around 3PM, decided to switch to Iris. I imagine Ellis and Kirsten talked, because soon after it seems that Ellis changed his vote to Iris. Rey found William suspect in the morning, then changed his mind around 2PM, and I think he switched to Iris but it would be good to confirm that. And I believe Rey switched back off Iris when she claimed? I believe Khaled also considered switching his vote to Iris, not sure if he ever did. And he too was convinced to back off by the claim. Who else shifted votes in the hours before exile Sunday? Or did Iris claim because Kirsten and Ellis were voting her? Iris, who convinced you to claim and who tipped you off that you might be in danger, and what time did that happen? Can you please post us the snippet? |
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