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Post by Oswald on May 21, 2009 13:37:23 GMT -5
I will be on off and on today as I am having a busy day at the store.
There has been a lot of hostility here, but I think a lot of great conversation as well.
I unfortunately have to say I am leaning towards Mei right now. I just can't shake the feeling that she jumps from person to person and that she is being so emotional about all of this. It seems like the actions of a desperate woman at this point, and I think its become too much about her and not finding the Spies.
This is such a hard vote.
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Post by Mei Yun on May 21, 2009 14:16:15 GMT -5
Mei: Clearly I am not afraid of justifing my vote against you, as I have told everyone who asked that I am voting for. Of course you are not! Let's see your reasons for voting for me, again, and I am quoting it this time! And let me translate that for you: Mei Yun: Last but not least, Mei. Where should I begin? I have been suspicious of her for a long time, and I thought it was quite ironic that we both had each other on the top of our suspect lists. She is on top on my suspect least and below are my crappy reasons for supecting herI guess it was her bubbly personality, it was just too happy. She was nice. I don't like nice people. Or maybe I don't like bubbly people. Either way I don't like her. She must be a spy. I am jaded in real life.I was also rather shocked that she just blurted out suspects from the start. She must be a spy for stirring the pot when everybody was afraid to speak up! I didn't have the balls to suspect anyone from the start so I guess that is what citizens should do!
When Georgia told me about the slip up that Mei said to her, it got me even more thinking. I am willing to believe anything against Mei Yun right now, however ridonculous it may be.So I guess she is my top suspect unless she can prove me otherwise. Mei Yun is guilty until proven innocent (too bad she cannot prove it any way!), or until I have another bandwagon to jump on! See how crappy your reasons are? And along with justification for bandwagoning instead of using the thing between your head, either you are just dumb or you are one spy taking this one chance to get rid of me.
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Post by Yvette on May 21, 2009 14:20:10 GMT -5
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Post by Mei Yun on May 21, 2009 14:20:54 GMT -5
*thing between your ears.
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Post by Mei Yun on May 21, 2009 14:26:09 GMT -5
Oswald: Nice try. Try to actually scumhunt by reading the thread ok? That can be a good start in finding REAL spies! Or maybe you want me to find you your eyes too? Donald: Nice try too. But then I see you putting Kirsten's name to me and back then as possibly a false name to put up for the sake of having a name to suspect. Can you try harder in finding a reason for suspecting Kirsten? Sure you have an excuse for maybe fessing up a name but clearly you need a better reasons that your reasons two days ago.
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Post by Georgia on May 21, 2009 15:23:16 GMT -5
Donald. In general experience, I have found that if a person frequently uses the invisibility function of something - and the mod hasn't requested all players to do so; it seems to imply that there is something to hide there in ones behavior. Though a simple reason as to why, which has been done - is all.
The name of the game is: DEFLECTION
Players: 1) Mei 2)Mei Yun 3)Yun
Are there more personalities to show?
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Post by Donald on May 21, 2009 15:50:05 GMT -5
Oswald: Nice try. Try to actually scumhunt by reading the thread ok? That can be a good start in finding REAL spies! Or maybe you want me to find you your eyes too? Donald: Nice try too. But then I see you putting Kirsten's name to me and back then as possibly a false name to put up for the sake of having a name to suspect. Can you try harder in finding a reason for suspecting Kirsten? Sure you have an excuse for maybe fessing up a name but clearly you need a better reasons that your reasons two days ago. Are you saying you want me to make up reasons to say Kirsten is more suspicious than I think?
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Post by Mei Yun on May 21, 2009 15:53:48 GMT -5
Are you saying you want me to make up reasons to say Kirsten is more suspicious than I think? I want you to do your job. Like for example, going online on AIM or asking them questions on the thread instead of fence sitting! Nice misrep there too!
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Post by Oswald on May 21, 2009 15:57:44 GMT -5
Oswald: Nice try. Try to actually scumhunt by reading the thread ok? That can be a good start in finding REAL spies! Or maybe you want me to find you your eyes too? Donald: Nice try too. But then I see you putting Kirsten's name to me and back then as possibly a false name to put up for the sake of having a name to suspect. Can you try harder in finding a reason for suspecting Kirsten? Sure you have an excuse for maybe fessing up a name but clearly you need a better reasons that your reasons two days ago. Mei there is no need for condescension I just am stating my opinion. I am not bandwagoning or anything else. I have stated my opinion and I stick by it.
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Post by Mei Yun on May 21, 2009 16:25:27 GMT -5
Mei there is no need for condescension I just am stating my opinion. I am not bandwagoning or anything else. I have stated my opinion and I stick by it. Do you want me to do a translation job of you too? I unfortunately have to say I am leaning towards Mei right now. I am stating I'm voting Mei but I am not putting the word Vote there since I am either not sure or I am sneaking in this vote because I want to act unsure because I know my reasons are really really bad.I just can't shake the feeling that she jumps from person to person and that she is being so emotional about all of this. I hate emotional people. I have a big problem with them and I think they are all Spies. She jumps from person to person because she is a Spy and not, in any way, trying to figure out this puzzle. I am specifically ignoring all Mei's analysis of Gretchen/Roxy/Georgia/etc because I have lost my eyes or Im a spy willfully ignoring whatever Mei says. It seems like the actions of a desperate woman at this point, and I think its become too much about her and not finding the Spies. I am only going to focus on her defense which I am going to paint as desperation because I am not listening to it. I'm not going to look at her argument against Roxy because I am perfectly blind like that! This is hard because I really want to get rid of Mei Yun but I can't seem to find it. I don't think we should Imprison her because she would self destruct so I guess Exiling her would be hard but I have to do it! Plus, have I mentioned I hate emotional people like her?
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Post by Oswald on May 21, 2009 16:51:45 GMT -5
Wow you are so far off base here. I don't understand why instead of discussing things with people that you just lash out and try and make them look stupid. You are clearly online right now because you are sneaking in here and rebutting everything but yet you aren't making yourself available for discussion. I will now cover your thoughts here... I unfortunately have to say I am leaning towards Mei right now. I said this because I was still hoping to talk to you, but if you don't intend on speaking to me about this, then I will make a 100% statement of I AM VOTING FOR MEI. I hope that helps. I just can't shake the feeling that she jumps from person to person and that she is being so emotional about all of this. Let me clarify. I don't hate emotional people at all and again that's a ridiculous jump to make. I just want to rationally talk to you. Everytime someone mentions you or brings up a case against you you just tell us we are stupid. To me that's not helping get to the point of good discussion. That's all I meant by that. I have read your rebuttals about Roxy and others, and just because I don't agree I am blind and need eyes? This is what I mean. Nobody else seems to be reacting this way and its just coming off as desperation on your part. I realize that you are passionate about the game and are upset you might go out but that doesn't make you a Citizen. Bottom line my main reason for leaning towards you is: We were talking in a very friendly manner, I explained to you that I was catching up and reading everything, and was excited to jump into the game, you too were very friendly, you were helping me find things I needed, and then for no reason whatsoever you posted that I was inactive WHILE we were talking. It just doesn't sit right Mei, there was no reason for it. And then when I reacted to it, you posted our conversation as if to make me look even more stupid. It just seemed like an unnecessary character attack, which then led several people here to suspect me. There was no basis for it whatsoever. I cleared my missing the chat with the host, and was online THAT night and the very next morning talking to folks. I just thought the attack was unwarranted, and everytime I ask you about it you avoid it or tell me it was to teach me a lesson. It just doesn't feel right, it feels like you thought I was a stupid newbie and I would be an easy first exile and it would be easy to shift attention away from you on to me and let the dumb newbie take the fall. That's why I suspect you of being a Spy. Reading on, I just don't agree with your assessment of Roxy. I think your argument about Georgia and Gretchen have merit. Georgia and I have had good conversation and I just don't suspect her after the conversations I have had. Gretchen, I can't comment on as she is never around. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I am blindly dismissing your theories. I hope that was more understandable for you.
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Post by Georgia on May 21, 2009 16:57:14 GMT -5
I find it quite interesting that Mei responds here in regards to Roxy, Oswald, and Donald - discounting their accusations and claims.
Yet when it comes to my accusation against her in regards to Deflection, instead of responding here. She IM's me - which implies that she herself believes there is merit in her deflection.
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Post by Mei Yun on May 21, 2009 16:58:54 GMT -5
Reading on, I just don't agree with your assessment of Roxy. I think your argument about Georgia and Gretchen have merit. Georgia and I have had good conversation and I just don't suspect her after the conversations I have had. Gretchen, I can't comment on as she is never around. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I am blindly dismissing your theories. I have addressed the Exile list already. Next, what part of the Roxy don't you agree with? What part of the Georgia case you agree with, or not? What part of the Gretchen case you agree with, or not? You have to elaborate more so you can help in catching the Spies. My reasons can be misguided (as I have found in my first reason for suspecting her). But if you see that they are wrong you have to tell me more than "OMG you are wrong, you dumb whore spy". Summary: A little elaboration please.
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Post by Mei Yun on May 21, 2009 17:01:25 GMT -5
I find it quite interesting that Mei responds here in regards to Roxy, Oswald, and Donald - discounting their accusations and claims. Yet when it comes to my accusation against her in regards to Deflection, instead of responding here. She IM's me - which implies that she herself believes there is merit in her deflection. No you dumbass. I am talking to Oswald now too.
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Post by Oswald on May 21, 2009 17:23:55 GMT -5
In all fairness, Mei and I are having a lovely conversation right now.
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Post by Georgia on May 21, 2009 17:26:52 GMT -5
That wasn't the case before Mei.
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Post by Oswald on May 21, 2009 17:35:44 GMT -5
@mei
As far as Georgia goes it seems your main beef with her is that she was trying to get you to misrepresent Levi, and that she was giving you crap about not answering because of American Idol. I was in that chatroom this night and I simply didn't see it the same way you did. I saw Georgia trying to get you to commit to something and you were backing out of it by saying you didn't want to misrepresent Levi. As far as the American Idol thing, I see both sides here...I think Georgia's point was to ask you a question and see you answer it IMMEDIATELY, but instead you waited and hid behind the American Idol excuse. I feel like if you know you are going to be that distracted then maybe login to the chat room when American Idol is over. It just seemed like an easy copout, so I agreed with Georgia's assessment.
As far as Roxy goes...I just don't see how posting fluff makes you a Spy, it seems like a very silly and ridiculous reason to accuse her, especially since that is not all she posts. I think Roxy has been pretty firm with her accusations and her points of view. She and I have had good conversations that were not fluff at all but genuine strategy for finding the Spies. I just feel like its personal with you two.
As far as Gretchen goes...I agreed with you that she was not really saying anything and just kind of hanging around. But it seemed you suddenly fell away from Gretchen as a suspect but I would consider her to be posting the same caliber of information that Roxy is...so why is Roxy a suspect and not Gretchen?
And where the heck is Donald?
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Post by Mei Yun on May 21, 2009 17:40:01 GMT -5
That wasn't the case before Mei. Oh right, I chose to focus on you at that time because you are apparently a stubborn little bitch hippie. You have been hounding me last night in the forums and I think a chat with you is overdue. I posted to Oswald first because our discussion has pretty much been in the open forums. And I was amused how I did that last post, because it puts a Citizen Oswald into action and a Spy Oswald into bitchery and hiding! Weren't you happy at that? Also, maybe I choose to address people one at a time because I don't have Spy buddies to do that for me!
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Post by Mei Yun on May 21, 2009 17:53:40 GMT -5
I thought your assessment of Georgia's case against me is fair. But I cannot defend against that except I was really watching American Idol at that time.
Second, I think my case on Georgia (on the Levi thing) can be taken that way and somebody has called me out on it too as a misunderstanding (I think Kirsten?) and that is why I am not pushing it right now. Her recent accusations of me is what I am arguing on right now. I have no case against her except that she is hounding me with bad accusations.
I suspect Roxy more than Gretchen.
There is actually a bit of thing there that you missed. Again, I have no problem with fluff and joking. I withdrew that accusation when I saw her horrible analysis. Horrible, but it was there. My problem with Roxy stems with her justifying going with the person with the most votes and almost implying that I am guilty until proven innocent. That is an attitude of a spy where "I can exile anyone with the most votes as long as its not me".
I have also presented the flaws of her "case" against me. Gretchen on the other hand actually got another quote off Roxy that proved that she is just going with the crowd. That is a huge plus for Gretchen, a proof that she is trying to spot for inconsistencies despite being less present.
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Post by Georgia on May 21, 2009 18:02:00 GMT -5
A hippie? How am I a hippie?
Really Mei. When your arguments consist of name calling. It really says nothing for you in the way of being a citizen. Perhaps you should quit posting, and continue letting your spy buddies create the posts for you.
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Post by Georgia on May 21, 2009 19:22:14 GMT -5
Here is another instance for you Mei.
(this conversation is already posted in the Burg, and you can look at it where it is. Rather than me posting it again.)
Tuesday, May 19th in the evening.
In group chat Levi asks everyone if they voted now, whom would they vote for. I said Mei, because of a gut feeling after she asked if I was a spy four hours after the start of the game, and well before Sam revealed the Spies had known they were spies from the start.
I had thought I spotted a difference in Levi's statements regarding lynching inactives. Mei asked if those in the chat room could trust me on following through with confronting Levi about it. She even said she expected me to confront Levi about it. In which I said that I would question him about it, but it was not something to give him the third degree about. I asked her what Levi said in regards to the matter, in his chat with her. She responded, then said she didn't want to misrepresent him. Which is understandable, no one wants to put words into others' mouths, save for perhaps a spy.
Wednesday May 20th in the afternoon.
Mei makes a post
---- Now, up until the conversation where I said I would vote for Mei based on a possible Spy-slip, and me asking her about Levi - to my knowledge she had not discussed her opinion or suspicions on me - either in the Burg, group chat, or one-on-one with me.
Yet, in her group list; she talks about me trying to make her my mouthpiece. If anything, she was trying to me me her mouthpiece. She seemed to only suspect me, because I said I would vote for her, and was trying to get her opinion on Levi.
This instance may not follow the definition of Deflection to a T, but it is still deflection. Suspecting your suspecter, purely because they suspect you? Come on now. --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Which is perhaps her biggest ways of deflecting. When someone suspects her, she seems to suspect them right back. Some would call it OMGUS. But really, why must everything be brushed away with acronyms?
I thought she was largely more a Question deflector. However after looking back over the chat instances. They seem to be more communication breakdowns, and avoidances - rather than specifically deflecting. Yet I still find the behavior questionable, even if it isn't deflecting.
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Post by Gretchen on May 21, 2009 19:50:46 GMT -5
First to Gretchen: You and I aren't on at the same times sadly. So I'll ask you here, you said of Georgia : "Well I think you're pushing people out of their comfort zones. " and said it's a good thing. But you say of Levi "You also like to try and rile up people - this I see as unnecessary at this point in the game." I think I don't understand the difference between riling and pushing, so I'd like a clarification. ----- Riling to me is deliberately going out of your way to try and find inconsistencies in peoples' apparent motives. Pushing, in what I am referring to anyway, is giving back as good as you get. Georgia has stood her ground when accused. Levi seems to try and deflect the accusations. That's all.
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Post by Mei Yun on May 21, 2009 19:52:49 GMT -5
What question did I deflect? I may be perceived as OMGUSy in your opinion but that is the reality, and that is why I have not presented a full blown case against you. Kirsten also told me that I could be misunderstanding the "mouthpiece idea" which is why I dropped it, at least until a new case surfaces.
On another note, I have answered your Levi question and I have given you the chatlog. You can see there the piece of information I was trying to hide (the one where Spies could be trapped in voting off inactives when late game comes, which was a good plan, which still holds in my opinion).
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Post by Levi on May 21, 2009 22:24:36 GMT -5
First to Gretchen: You and I aren't on at the same times sadly. So I'll ask you here, you said of Georgia : "Well I think you're pushing people out of their comfort zones. " and said it's a good thing. But you say of Levi "You also like to try and rile up people - this I see as unnecessary at this point in the game." I think I don't understand the difference between riling and pushing, so I'd like a clarification. ----- Riling to me is deliberately going out of your way to try and find inconsistencies in peoples' apparent motives. Pushing, in what I am referring to anyway, is giving back as good as you get. Georgia has stood her ground when accused. Levi seems to try and deflect the accusations. That's all. Isn't the bolded part what scum-hunting is all about? If no one went out of their way to find inconsistencies in others' motives, no one would find any Spies. If it seems like I'm trying to deflect arguments, I apologize, and I will try to be more direct in the future.
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