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Post by Donald on Jun 2, 2009 9:57:39 GMT -5
Kirsten: Hey Donald Donald: Hi, Kirsten. Kirsten: Look, I've got a grand idea. Donald: What is it? Kirsten: I'm going to create calculated posts in the burg accusing you of being a spy. Donald: Really? What purpose would that solve. Wouldn't that just result in people being suspicious of us? Kirsten: That's madness talking. This plan is brilliant beyond belief. Kirsten: You see, my plan is so intricate that I will suspect you early episode 1, change my suspicion in the latter half of the episode, consider you a citizen for the 2nd episode, and then re-ignite the suspicion episode 3 for maximal busing. Donald: I'm on board. Sounds dirty. Kirsten: Oh, it is dirty. Really dirty. I can only hope 2 other spies get caught in the meantime, that would be the optimal scenario to get every last drop out of this diabolical plot. Donald: Yeah, cause if two spies get caught, then people wouldn't suspect busing at all. Kirsten: Correct. I knew I could count on you Donald. Donald: Let's only hope there is a huge push on someone else. Kirsten: Yeah, true. Then I could write a novel defending them with numerous valid points that have taken place over the course of the game, but yet ask them one single question at the end. Donald: That single question, is it a tie in to you dropping your entire novel of defenses to hop on board? Kirsten: Absolutely. After solidifying my opinion on that player, I will act in the most suspicious possible manner by ignoring all the defenses I have just written to attack them over that question. Donald: You were right. The plan IS brilliant. Kirsten: Then the plan is a go. Donald: Let's do this. Hopefully that sufficiently describes the absurdity of the situation.  You said you wouldn't post that chat! |
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Post by Donald on Jun 2, 2009 10:09:01 GMT -5
@gabby,
If I posted in the away thread every day I'd be busy, I'd be listed for every day of the week since the game started. In fact, I would probably replace out of I chose to do that. I only put my name on there when I may or know I won't be on at all for the entire day.
Imagine, Gabs, you are planning a wedding (hypothetical, obv). It is on Friday May 29th. Are you going to show up May 29th, Friday, and have a great wedding?
NO!
You're going to take the time to send out invitations.
You'll arrange for a whatchamacallit guy to give the ceremony and marry two people.
You'll have to get food/dinner/snacks for the guests.
You have to set up a wine bar.
YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
You need to collect flowers for display.
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Will all that happen THE DAY OF THE FREAKIN EVENT? NOOO!
If I'm busy in a big event, I'm preparing stuff before the freakin event. But I have a responsibility to this game as well, and I enjoy playing this game. It's also a great relief compared to all the responsibility piled on me for RL and covering for work that NOBODY ELSE CAN DOa. So I try to show up in the game, or at least come to chat. But I can't read every single post on the board and chat with every single player at once. I'm no super-spies6-player.
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Post by Donald on Jun 2, 2009 10:22:40 GMT -5
@gabby,
First quote:
I say I've been busy.
Second quote:
I just noticed the exile time votes. I hadn't had a chance to talk with my team yet. I want to try to make time to talk with my team.
Third quote:
As previously stated, I wanted us to have a team chat. I wanted to be there. I wanted to participate.
Fourth quote:
I had a log of something Roxy said earlier that needed to be further looked at. It may or may not have been damning. It wasn't.
Fifth quote:
A MANDATORY thread to participate in, lest I get a self-vote. I throw in a placeholder and hint that Thor shouldn't be giving spies tips for this game.
Sicsth quote:
Mei asked me to post in that thread for her. I was focused on my team chat at the time, but since she requested it and I had thoughts about players going invisible, I slowly put that post together. It took me a while to write up the entire post in the meantime.
7th quote:
Copy/Paste = Easy. Especially with a recent convo. We were in the middle of a very significant team chat (log posted somewhere, you should read it). Part of our discussion is who did you vote for last exile and why? I had been answering that question 3 or 4 times already, so I posted it on the boards so I could just point to it rather than re-explain myself every single time somebody asked.
8 quote;
MANDATORY PARTICIPATION
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A thread I currently had open and active.
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Easy/quick response.
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Citizens duty: To make known your suspicions. If you noticed, I said I'd try to fill that in later if I had the time. I never did. => I never had the time.
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I talked with Tibs. Had an interesting chat with him. learned something new about Roxy. This was the first time I talked with Tibs since I posted saying I wanted to talk with him.
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A joke. I voted for two days's break. It wouldn't have quite gotten me past my busy event, but it would have pushed it closer, so I would have missed a minimal amount of the game.
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Voting when I can make exile.
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Dates I expected to maybe make exile. I happened to actually make it.
My participation during that time was fair on AIM, lacking on the boards, IMO. With the time that I had, I spent as much time talking with people to get to know them. I try to make exiles when I can. They're enjoyable, especially when we nail two scum in one exile.
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Post by Donald on Jun 2, 2009 10:35:23 GMT -5
7:38 - Who am I voting? Probably Roxy. I'm considering Gretchen. I'm sending Roxy a PM 7:56 - Let's talk about Gretchen going for an easy lynch 7:58 - I stick with Gretchen vote. Why vote for somebody not here? I'll add more to this and respond to Kirsten later. I'm a bit too heated up right now.
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Post by Jenya on Jun 2, 2009 11:35:11 GMT -5
Kirsten's case reminds me of the case on Callahan. Accusing Donald of lying about the Roxy/Gretchen vote is quite a stretch. I'm not positive Donald is a citizen, because he's never really around to talk with, but the cases here look a lot like nitpicking and possibly a case manufactured to protect Yvette. Especially considering Kirsten IMed me this last Friday: spies6Jenya (2:18:51 PM): So Roxy's a cit and georgia too. How about Donald and William? spies6Kirsten (2:19:09 PM): Donald I was originally very suspicious of, but the more I've spoken with him the less suspicious of him I am spies6Kirsten (2:19:36 PM): He's kind of "behind the scenes" but he at least keeps a level head and is willing to alter his opinion readily based on new information surfacing spies6Kirsten (2:19:43 PM): at this point, I'm not terribly suspicious So what changed between Friday night and Sunday at 3AM? You did a 180 degree flip on Donald in 36 hours. Based on old evidence from a vote conversation last Tuesday? If you didn't find him suspicious for the four days following the conversation, why did you suddenly find him suspicious for it on Sunday at 3AM? I'm curious.. Donald and Jaya both threw a (-1) on Georgia. Kirsten, do you think that's the kind of thing spies would do? Also, you and Donald both voted Gretchen, the leading alternative to voting a spy. Do you think the vote for Gretchen was an anti-town, irrational vote that didn't fit the available evidence? I know you also suspect William strongly. Why aren't you bringing a case against him today? |
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Post by Amelia on Jun 2, 2009 13:36:01 GMT -5
Still need to read through Kirsten/Gabby's posts, but.. Very nicely done, Gabs. My vote will definitely be on one of Kirsten or Donald this Exile. And if s/he turns up Spy, I'm voting the other next. Kirsten's been accusing Donald since D1 and her accusations always seem extremely calculated. I call Spy vs. Spy shenanigans. Could you explain how they're calculated? Bring up some of her accusations (preferably in a new thread) and please show everyone her accusations and how they have been calculated. Look at her accusations (and defenses) of other players. Are any of those calculated? Take her defense of Yvette, or her accusations on Levi, for instance. Why, if either one of us is scum, are we both scum? If I'm a spy, didn't she just do a good job catching a spy? If Kirsten's a spy, how does that make me a spy? She's making a huge case against me based on very minute details. I must have a different way with words than all of you. I say deflection and Kirsten says I'm using it wrong. I say calculated, which I take to mean to have some other purpose than just its face value (as in her accusations of you have the purpose of making her look good rather than accusing you), and you tell me she's not calculated because her arguments are weak. So: What I mean by "calculated" is that these arguments seem designed to clear her if you turn up Spy. |
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 2, 2009 13:40:59 GMT -5
Kirsten's case reminds me of the case on Callahan. Accusing Donald of lying about the Roxy/Gretchen vote is quite a stretch. I'm not positive Donald is a citizen, because he's never really around to talk with, but the cases here look a lot like nitpicking and possibly a case manufactured to protect Yvette. This case predated the Yvette case. I already had a case on Levi. Your accusation that I'm possibly manufacturing cases to save Yvette is weak, unless you want me to post the fake pregame chat WE had where I talk about starting a case on Levi episode 2 in hopes of manufacturing it into a case to save Yvette episode 3  Especially considering Kirsten IMed me this last Friday: spies6Jenya (2:18:51 PM): So Roxy's a cit and georgia too. How about Donald and William? spies6Kirsten (2:19:09 PM): Donald I was originally very suspicious of, but the more I've spoken with him the less suspicious of him I am spies6Kirsten (2:19:36 PM): He's kind of "behind the scenes" but he at least keeps a level head and is willing to alter his opinion readily based on new information surfacing spies6Kirsten (2:19:43 PM): at this point, I'm not terribly suspicious So what changed between Friday night and Sunday at 3AM? You did a 180 degree flip on Donald in 36 hours. Based on old evidence from a vote conversation last Tuesday? If you didn't find him suspicious for the four days following the conversation, why did you suddenly find him suspicious for it on Sunday at 3AM? I didn't find him suspicious until I went back and reviewed the chat. I reviewed the chat Friday night, went to bed, had to work all day Saturday, and ended up not posting it until Sunday at 3 am. I'm curious.. Donald and Jaya both threw a (-1) on Georgia. Kirsten, do you think that's the kind of thing spies would do? Donald's (-1) was on Rey until this conversation happened. He swapped to Georgia at my behest. Also, you and Donald both voted Gretchen, the leading alternative to voting a spy. Do you think the vote for Gretchen was an anti-town, irrational vote that didn't fit the available evidence? No, and that's not what I'm arguing. Have you read this thread? I found him suspicious originally because in the 8 minutes time we chatted, he changed his vote from Roxy to Gretchen. He went into the chat with his vote on Roxy. In the 8 minutes time we chatted, his vote apparently changed to Gretchen. What happened in our chat during that period? I mentioned that I was going to vote Gretchen, and I asked him a question about Gretchen's stance on Roxy. I find it suspicious that his vote would change based on that. Since then, he's contradicted himself in trying to explain exactly when he did vote. spies6donald (8:22:33 AM): but I'm changing my vote to Gretchen in case I don't hear back from Roxy before Exile According to him, that line took place about 25 minutes after he had already changed his vote to Gretchen from Roxy. I know you also suspect William strongly. Why aren't you bringing a case against him today? Strongly? Not really. He's been a lingering suspect of mine for some time (since ep1) based solely on lurking and lack of solid stances. He was my 2nd suspect last episode when I had listed him as neutral. I don't strongly suspect him. There are plenty of others I suspect more. -------- With all this being said. I'm voting for Levi right now, as surprising as that may sound. I feel more comfortable with my vote there (feeding into the Amelia Kirsten/Donald connections, hehe), and would prefer to wait an episode on Donald to look into it more. I will likely not be on prior to exile. I have to work, unfortunately. |
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 2, 2009 13:49:32 GMT -5
So: What I mean by "calculated" is that these arguments seem designed to clear her if you turn up Spy. What's the difference between an argument that is designed to clear me if he turns up spy and an argument that is designed to show that he's a spy? From what I gather, your argument is that my case against Donald is "too logical" or "too calculated" or something, thus the only possible explanation is we're spies together? You must have really low expectations of me if you think that creating a case on a spy means that I'm also a spy...hehe. |
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Post by Faith on Jun 2, 2009 16:30:29 GMT -5
I think Kirsten actually might have something here. (I know, I know Faith is just jumping on another case! Well whatever, if I agree with what someone else wrote I'm not going to just ignore it.)
Anywhoo people are finding Yvette suspicious for her choice of comments at the exile. I can see why people would find it suspicious. I can. Look who in my opinion also seems to know more than they should:
Judge Sam (10:41:17 PM): Not a Citizen.....
spies6Jenya (10:41:22 PM): holy crap
spies6Ariel (10:41:22 PM): !
spies6Yvette (10:41:23 PM): WHA.
spies6levi (10:41:24 PM): OMG
spies6donald (10:41:24 PM): Yay!
spies6iris (10:41:26 PM): Woo hoo!
spies6oswald (10:41:26 PM): OMG
spies6Roxy (10:41:26 PM): OMG
spies6levi (10:41:27 PM): NO WAY
spies6MeiYun (10:41:27 PM): LOL!
spies6oswald (10:41:29 PM): 2 SPIES
spies6william (10:41:30 PM): whaaaaat?!!!
spies6Roxy (10:41:31 PM): <3333333333333333333333333333
spies6iris (10:41:32 PM): Beautiful!
spies6Tiberius (10:41:32 PM): WHAT
spies6Yvette (10:41:32 PM): But a super citizen?
spies6mirela (10:41:33 PM): whooooooa
spies6Gabriela (10:41:33 PM): wait, really?
Judge Sam (10:41:34 PM): and....
spies6rey (10:41:34 PM): OMG WOOT! <3333333
spies6Tiberius (10:41:34 PM): wait?
spies6levi (10:41:34 PM): WE DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
spies6donald (10:41:37 PM): A serial killer!!!
spies6Yvette (10:41:39 PM): He was not a spy?
Wait what? When I was watching this chat the first thing that popped into my head was that another spy was caught. I was excepting Sam to go… ‘HE WAS OUR 3RD SPY!!’ or something. Spies totally has never had a 3rd party before (Sam says it later on) so why would Donald say this unless he knew Paris couldn’t have been a spy? Notice how he used ! marks as well as if he was certain. He didn’t say ‘a serial killer??’ If people are going to find Yvette suspicious for saying ‘he was not a spy’ then I’d look at Donald as well.
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Post by Donald on Jun 2, 2009 16:36:05 GMT -5
Okay, starting from the beginning, trying to verify all timestamps. May 24th 10:58 PM - I vote for RoxyMay 26thspies6donald (7:38:37 AM): Right now I'm considering Roxy, but I want to hear from her first. spies6donald (7:38:52 AM): I'm sending her a PM now, because I don't know when she'll get back, so I hope to hear from her that way before exile[/b] spies6donald (7:39:24 AM): my other thought is on Gretchen, the other night in our team chat, don't know if you saw it You ask for where my vote is going, I'm explaining I've been considering Roxy. I had been considering her for quite a while at the time. Gretchen became a big suspect to me after the team chat, so I was starting to consider her, also. My vote was between the two of them. As Roxy had been my suspect for a while, I had my vote on her from a few days before our talk. I hadn't had a chance to talk with her in person, though. I recall hearing somewhere that Roxy was away for the weekend, so my vote wasn't doing anything there if I couldn't talk to her, which was making me lean more to voting for Gretchen. I hadn't actually made the vote switch yet, however. From reading this, it looks as though you plan on voting Roxy. Gretchen is a secondary option for you. Then, here is a piece from a bit later in that chat: Where do you grab that Gretchen is a secondary option for me? You had me switch to talking about my -vote before I finished, but I was just starting to talk about Gretchen. They were both top suspects to me, Gretchen was just a newer suspect based on recent events. spies6Kirsten (7:56:06 AM): what do you think about Gretchen being so adamant that Roxy be lynched. What are your thoughts on the fact that one of your top two suspects wants the other one dead.
spies6donald (7:57:07 AM): It's certainly possible that Gretchen could be bussing, but it sounds more likely that Gretchen is going for an easy lynchspies6Kirsten (7:58:04 AM): does that affect your opinion of Roxy? That you think Gretchen is going for an easy lynch? spies6donald (7:58:15 AM): So I'm hoping Roxy will reply to my PM before Exile, but if she doesn't, I'll probably stick with a Gretchen vote at this time, because Roxy has a fair excuse of being gone for Mem weekend, and as I said, Gretchen could be going for the easy lynchspies6donald (7:58:17 AM): it does spies6donald (7:58:37 AM): I would guess Roxy is likely a citizen if Gretchen turns up a spy You hadn't brought any new 'stroke of brilliance' to me by asking that question. With how heavily Gretchen was pushing for a Roxy lynch, and with such a.. well, lack of any case, it did look like she was trying to get a citizen lynched for a poor reason she wouldn't be held accountable for. The possibility of a spy bussing a spy is possible, but unlikely. Hence, Roxy likely being a citizen if Gretchen is a spy. spies6donald (7:58:15 AM): So I'm hoping Roxy will reply to my PM before Exile, but if she doesn't, I'll probably stick with a Gretchen vote at this time, because Roxy has a fair excuse of being gone for Mem weekend, and as I said, Gretchen could be going for the easy lynchAt this point, my vote was still on Roxy. I hadn't actually switched my vote to Gretchen yet. But since I haven't spoken with Roxy, sticking with a vote on Gretchen holds more weight and has more value. 8:00 am - I change my +vote to Gretchenspies6donald (8:15:37 AM): Rey has my -vote now, but I don't know that anybody will actually be voting him spies6donald (8:15:59 AM): I got a good citizen vibe from him at first, when I talked to him privately spies6donald (8:16:12 AM): In team chat, he seemed like a big goofball  spies6Kirsten (8:16:19 AM): hehe spies6donald (8:17:01 AM): My feelings from team chat lowered him for me, but he's still citizen to me. What he does good are keeping his eyes open to every possibility (Ariel), but he pushes it a bit much. spies6donald (8:17:36 AM): And what I really want to look into is his infatuation with Gretchen. It sounds like they've convo'd quite a bit already in the game, and I want to know how long they've been chatting for spies6donald (8:17:57 AM): And if they've been chatting since Exile 1, which it sounds like, I want to know why when they weren't on the same team spies6Kirsten (8:17:59 AM): I was curious about that myself, although I think Gretchen is one of his top suspects right now spies6Kirsten (8:21:45 AM): well, I'm finalizing a +vote Gretchen. -vote Ed for now. I doubt I will be able to check in again before exile. spies6donald (8:22:09 AM): okay spies6donald (8:22:21 AM): I'm going to try to be on again this afternoon, and hopefully chat some more with players spies6Kirsten (8:22:29 AM): I'm choosing Ed because I have high hopes others will -vote Georgia, *hint, hint* spies6donald (8:22:33 AM): but I'm changing my vote to Gretchen in case I don't hear back from Roxy before Exile Somewhere in here you convinced me to change my -Vote to Georgia. It was on Rey, because I felt he was citizen. I didn't feel like he'd be getting any votes, though, so I felt it was pretty useless there. You mentioned to me some people said they'd probably vote for Georgia, so I was okay with switching my vote there to protect Georgia, because from our team chat, I felt she was citizen. spies6donald (8:22:21 AM): I'm going to try to be on again this afternoon, and hopefully chat some more with players spies6donald (8:22:33 AM): but I'm changing my vote to Gretchen in case I don't hear back from Roxy before Exile My vote was previously on Roxy, as you garnered from what was first said. I was deciding to change my vote to Gretchen because I hadn't had an opportunity to talk with Roxy. I made that vote change about 22 minutes prior to this, to you revealing you were voting Gretchen. As we were signing off of our chat with each other, and you stated you were voting Gretchen, I also stated my vote, that I was changing my vote from Roxy to Gretchen, and would probably keep it that way if I did not hear from Roxy before the exile. 8:24 - I change my -Vote to Georgia9:18 - Message PMed to Roxy. I honestly don't know why this happened so late. I know I spent a lot of time thinking about what i wanted to say before sending it, so even though I started the PM before we were talking, I probably didn't actually finish and send it until over an hour later. |
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Post by Donald on Jun 2, 2009 16:43:38 GMT -5
Faith,
When Sam said "Not a cit", my first thought was spy. But then I started thinking about how he said that, he said not a cit, which, in most mafia games, mafia and citizens are not exhaustive of every role and alignment in the game. He also hinted at something new, something different, with his cliffhanger, the "....."
The cliffhanger implies something unexpected. So, not a spy? Yvette said "He was a super-citizen" and Sam said "and...." with another cliffhanger, obviously holding something back. So I jokingly finish Sam's statement with "A serial killer!!" That's not a citizen role, but also not a spy, as Sam hinted at.
I didn't know what role he was, just that Sam was hiding something, and that Paris wasn't citizen. Exiling anybody who's not citizen is almost always good (some possible exceptions, i.e. survivor roles).
On a side note, has this quote been pointed out in the Yvette case?
"spies6Yvette (10:41:39 PM): He was not a spy?"
I think Yvette saw the same thing as me. He wasn't a cit, but he wasn't a spy.
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Post by Jenya on Jun 2, 2009 17:05:31 GMT -5
Kirsten, you've admitted to persuading Donald to change his (-) vote to Georgia. I assume you also helped persuade him to change his (+) vote to Gretchen. We all know the Gretchen votes are pretty sketchy, considering she almost got exiled instead of Jaya. So let's talk about another reason you might be trying to pin the Gretchen votes on Donald.
You and two of your biggest suspects voted Gretchen (William and Donald). You persuaded Donald. I would like to see chats between you and William about Gretchen. I'm curious to know whether you felt conflicted about voting with your two biggest suspects. You've used that argument several times in this forum about other people, so I assume you would never vote alongside your biggest suspects... >.>
My hypothesis is that a few of you spies were backing the Gretchen exile, and Yvette-Spy couldn't risk being wrong twice in a row, so she had to hop on to Jaya at the last minute. You are now trying to save Yvette by ringing up the inactive and somewhat clueless Donald for the Gretchen vote, of which you were actually the ringleader with your spypartner William.
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Post by Georgia on Jun 2, 2009 17:11:43 GMT -5
Did you ever confront Roxy on the issue you said you would confront her on Donald?
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Post by Jenya on Jun 2, 2009 17:15:59 GMT -5
spies6Kirsten (7:56:06 AM): what do you think about Gretchen being so adamant that Roxy be lynched. What are your thoughts on the fact that one of your top two suspects wants the other one dead. Oh yeah, here it is, in this thread. You say it's evidence that Donald is a spy that his #2 suspect (Gretchen) wants his #1 suspect (Roxy) dead. And yet your #2 and #3 suspects (William and Donald) wanted your #1 suspect (Gretchen) dead. And you still voted with them. Doesn't that make you a spy, Kirsten, by your own set of rules? It doesn't look like you follow your own guidelines, but you sure use them to make cases on other people. Maybe you're getting a little careless or forgetful under the stress of nearly losing your spypartner Yvette? Gingko biloba tablets will help you cope with the forgetfulness, dear. |
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Post by Rey on Jun 2, 2009 19:38:20 GMT -5
I think that both Kirsten and Donald are citizens right now just by their annoying useless bickering.
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Post by Gretchen on Jun 2, 2009 21:55:36 GMT -5
Dear Donald,
Why did you change your vote off me to Yvette? Trying to save yourself? You should know that is doesn't look very good in the eyes of the SuperCits. They will be watchinggggg youuuuu!!!
Love Always,
FJG.
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Post by Ed on Jun 2, 2009 22:06:05 GMT -5
You should know that is doesn't look very good in the eyes of the SuperCits. They will be watchinggggg youuuuu!!! Don't you mean "We"? PS You're chubby |
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Post by Gretchen on Jun 2, 2009 22:24:25 GMT -5
Dear Ed,
No I mean they. I am not a SuperCit but merely a jolly fat woman who likes to watch movies made straight for tv and eat Oreos by the tub.
PS - You're not as cute as you used to be.
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 3, 2009 0:37:31 GMT -5
Kirsten, you've admitted to persuading Donald to change his (-) vote to Georgia. Correct. I assume you also helped persuade him to change his (+) vote to Gretchen. No. Why are you assuming things you could easily verify simply by reading the chat posted? We all know the Gretchen votes are pretty sketchy, considering she almost got exiled instead of Jaya. So let's talk about another reason you might be trying to pin the Gretchen votes on Donald. Gretchen being the competing wagon to Jaya doesn't clear her. Secondly, I'm not trying to pin Gretchen votes on Donald. Seriously, have you even read this thread, or are you just tossing dirt on me? Tell me where I have ever tried to pin the Gretchen votes on Donald. You and two of your biggest suspects voted Gretchen (William and Donald). William is not one of my biggest suspects. He ranks around like 7-10th on my list right now. Donald was someone I considered a citizen at the time. I suggest you read this thread and check up on your facts before tossing dirt. Nope. I would like to see chats between you and William about Gretchen. I'm curious to know whether you felt conflicted about voting with your two biggest suspects. You've used that argument several times in this forum about other people, so I assume you would never vote alongside your biggest suspects... >.> See above. I didn't chat with William or Gretchen at all about my vote. My hypothesis is that a few of you spies were backing the Gretchen exile, and Yvette-Spy couldn't risk being wrong twice in a row, so she had to hop on to Jaya at the last minute. You are now trying to save Yvette by ringing up the inactive and somewhat clueless Donald for the Gretchen vote, of which you were actually the ringleader with your spypartner William. Right. Well. I was away the entire weekend. I never spoke to William about Gretchen. I didn't try to convince Donald to vote Gretchen. Yvette's vote was originally on Georgia, and she swapped to Jaya at the last minute. She would have never voted Gretchen. Try again? spies6Kirsten (7:56:06 AM): what do you think about Gretchen being so adamant that Roxy be lynched. What are your thoughts on the fact that one of your top two suspects wants the other one dead. Oh yeah, here it is, in this thread. You say it's evidence that Donald is a spy that his #2 suspect (Gretchen) wants his #1 suspect (Roxy) dead. Jenya. Be honest with us here. Did you read the thread, or did you look for incriminating portions of it you could pull out of context to attack me with? I never said it was evidence that Donald's number 2 wanted his number 1 dead. Please, tell me where I've used that as evidence against him? Hint: I haven't. And yet your #2 and #3 suspects (William and Donald) wanted your #1 suspect (Gretchen) dead. And you still voted with them. Doesn't that make you a spy, Kirsten, by your own set of rules? William I listed as neutral. Donald I listed as "leaning cit." My number 2 and 3? Uh...ok? It doesn't look like you follow your own guidelines, but you sure use them to make cases on other people. Maybe you're getting a little careless or forgetful under the stress of nearly losing your spypartner Yvette? Gingko biloba tablets will help you cope with the forgetfulness, dear. Maybe you should actually take the time to understand the situation before ripping things out of context entirely and trying to pin the mish-mash of misinformation on me. |
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Post by Jenya on Jul 22, 2009 1:56:23 GMT -5
Kirsten, did you think at the time that Donald was busing Gretchen or dropping a lazy vote on an easy Cit mis-exile?
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Post by Jenya on Jul 22, 2009 2:28:16 GMT -5
Kirsten, I just wanted to say that if you are a Spy, you have taken Spies to a new level of evil:
1) You held a fake-Cit conversation with your spypartner.
2) Your spypartner slipped up during said conversation.
3) Instead of saying, "Cut!" you not only continued the conversation to save for a rainy day, you posted it in the Burg directly.
4) Instead of letting the argument die, you kept on it for multiple episodes til your spypartner was chest-deep in maggots and dirt.
This vision makes me want to believe that one could be so evil. I WANT to vote you with all my heart, in hopes that you have taken this game to new depths of delicious depravity. Please tell me that's what you did to Donald--don't dash my hopes and dreams.
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Post by Jason on Jul 22, 2009 8:10:13 GMT -5
Vote: Kirsten
Reason: It would be cool
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Post by Kirsten on Jul 22, 2009 11:42:42 GMT -5
Kirsten, did you think at the time that Donald was busing Gretchen or dropping a lazy vote on an easy Cit mis-exile? At the time, meaning when the chat occurred, my thought was "I'm tired as fuck. It's like 8 am and I've pulled an all-nighter playing some stupid game on the internet." The chat didn't strike me as suspicious until later. Georgia asked me why Donald voted Gretchen, and I was like "Hey I have a chat were he says he was going to vote her" then I looked back at the chat and was like "Damn, that's suspicious." When I read the chat the next episode, I thought he was going for the lazy vote on an easy cit mis-exile. I also considered William to be neutral-ish and Ed spy-ish, so that wagon looked really awful in episode 4, hence me convincing Rey + Boris + maybe someone else not to vote for Gretchen. Kirsten, I just wanted to say that if you are a Spy, you have taken Spies to a new level of evil: 1) You held a fake-Cit conversation with your spypartner. 2) Your spypartner slipped up during said conversation. 3) Instead of saying, "Cut!" you not only continued the conversation to save for a rainy day, you posted it in the Burg directly. 4) Instead of letting the argument die, you kept on it for multiple episodes til your spypartner was chest-deep in maggots and dirt. This vision makes me want to believe that one could be so evil. I WANT to vote you with all my heart, in hopes that you have taken this game to new depths of delicious depravity. Please tell me that's what you did to Donald--don't dash my hopes and dreams. Sorry, I'm not that level of evil. If I'm a spy, I'm the kind of spy the other dead spies are rooting for to lose. Donald hasn't gotten over me saying "Hey, we should have a 'cit' chat to make ourselves look good" and then getting him exiled from that chat. Iris hasn't gotten over me saying "Hey, you might get exiled here, you should claim a role. Gift-giver is a great idea, but make sure one of the gifts is the ability to read a confessional! That sounds totally like a Sam role! Nobody will suspect a thing." Vote: Kirsten Reason: It would be cool ? It would be pretty cool. All the kids would go nuts with how cool it is. It's fresh. It's chill. It's deaf. |
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Post by Jenya on Jul 22, 2009 13:48:12 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm not that level of evil. If I'm a spy, I'm the kind of spy the other dead spies are rooting for to lose. Donald hasn't gotten over me saying "Hey, we should have a 'cit' chat to make ourselves look good" and then getting him exiled from that chat. Iris hasn't gotten over me saying "Hey, you might get exiled here, you should claim a role. Gift-giver is a great idea, but make sure one of the gifts is the ability to read a confessional! That sounds totally like a Sam role! Nobody will suspect a thing." It's deaf. This is the point I was getting at. Unless Donald had terminal cancer or something and was dropping dead in a week, I don't see why you'd have done this to him as a spy. The only possibility in my mind is that you intended it to be less harsh than it was, then backed off. And you did back off:The original "Donald, Trumped?" post was May 31st. I believe Exile 3 was two days later, on June 2. Despite finding Donald a liar for the entire 48 hours before exile, you voted Levi. I want to look at that more carefully right now. I'm still skeptical of how you posted all these things about Donald, flat out called him a liar: spies6Donald: When you and I were talking, my vote was on Gretchen. Kirsten: Lies. spies6donald (8:22:33 AM): but I'm changing my vote to Gretchen in case I don't hear back from Roxy before Exile Then, in his response in this thread, he said that his vote was on Gretchen originally when he went into the chat. That is a direct lie. If you read the chat, he says that he is going to "change his vote to Gretchen." If his vote was on Gretchen, then how is he going to change it to Gretchen. It's a lie. He's flailing because he got caught in a lie. Your most trusted compatriot, Gabriela, was teeth fully sunk into Donald:June 1: donald, do you make a habit out of ignoring cases that are posted in the burg? You, June 2, the day of exile:
I have to suspend my disbelief a lot to believe you aren't lying here, Donald.
The more I think about this statement, the less believable it gets.
This statement only makes sense if you are changing your vote to Gretchen right here from Roxy. The "in case I don't hear back from her" bit doesn't fit otherwise.
I think you're lying.Gabriela dives in further, June 2: yes, i can see how you were so busy from the 24th-26th (despite only listing the 29th). especially seeing as the cluster of posts you listed that you apparently missed contains three that you posted in (two that you posted in twice) as well as a thread you started which had only one reply from the person you were posting about. not to mention the fact that you didnt seem to think youd be busy on the night of the 25th or 26th. Amelia weighs in, day of exile:
Very nicely done, Gabs. My vote will definitely be on one of Kirsten or Donald this Exile. And if s/he turns up Spy, I'm voting the other next. Kirsten's been accusing Donald since D1 and her accusations always seem extremely calculated. I call Spy vs. Spy shenanigans.Is this why Amelia's an idiot? Because she started this line of thinking on Kirsten? Kirsten responds, day of Exile:
I thought he was a citizen last episode. I've come back around to thinking he's a spy this episode. Clearly this is all a calculated plan of mine to bus the shit out of Donald after 2 spies are down. Clearly.Bizarrely, Donald defends Kirsten to Amelia, day of exile. Wouldn't a spy let that suspicion roll : Why, if either one of us is scum, are we both scum? If I'm a spy, didn't she just do a good job catching a spy? If Kirsten's a spy, how does that make me a spy? She's making a huge case against me based on very minute details. I spot shenanigans: So what changed between Friday night and Sunday at 3AM? You did a 180 degree flip on Donald in 36 hours. Based on old evidence from a vote conversation last Tuesday? If you didn't find him suspicious for the four days following the conversation, why did you suddenly find him suspicious for it on Sunday at 3AM? And accuse you and Donald of wagoning Gretchen together: Also, you and Donald both voted Gretchen, the leading alternative to voting a spy. Do you think the vote for Gretchen was an anti-town, irrational vote that didn't fit the available evidence? You back off of Donald a few hours before exile. I believe he was a legitimate alternative to Yvette at the time, votecountwise, with a bullet:
With all this being said. I'm voting for Levi right now, as surprising as that may sound. I feel more comfortable with my vote there (feeding into the Amelia Kirsten/Donald connections, hehe), and would prefer to wait an episode on Donald to look into it more.
I will likely not be on prior to exile. I have to work, unfortunately.Kirsten, I need to read your Levi case from that day to better understand why you went from this a few hours before exile: "I've come back around to thinking he's a spy this episode."
"I have to suspend my disbelief a lot to believe you aren't lying here, Donald."To this at exile: "With all this being said. I'm voting for Levi right now, as surprising as that may sound. I feel more comfortable with my vote there (feeding into the Amelia Kirsten/Donald connections, hehe)"* Why would Amelia's comments make you LESS likely to vote Donald? She basically just set you up for a "when he turns up scum, I'm pushing you as his scumpartner for this argument"!!! * When Donald came up scum, why didn't you go after Amelia? You show massive awareness of weirdness between Amelia and Donald--you switched your vote because of it. I think I've asked you this before, but it just smacked me in the face again as I reread this thread. * The ENTIRE reason you decided not to vote Donald appears to be Amelia's comments tying the two of you together. As a "Cit" did you really fear that she'd be successful at that? |
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Post by Jenya on Jul 22, 2009 14:05:21 GMT -5
tl;dr:
The theory here is that you had to leave several hours before exile, your spyteam was down 3 already and Amelia had just stated she'd go after you next if Donald came up spy--what an "idiot" Amelia is. You avoided the bad citwagon and the possible growing exile of your spypartner and placed a lone vote on Brother Leviticus.
The alternative is that you're a cit who got cold feet on Donald because Amelia accused you of being spypartners together.
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Post by Jenya on Jul 22, 2009 14:07:47 GMT -5
Also, it's kind of odd that as sure as you were about Yvette being a Cit and Donald being a spy, that you didn't vote Donald to possibly save Yvette.
The argument there is that you wouldn't get another chance to get rid of Yvette, because she'd be back to defend herself before next exile.
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Post by Kirsten on Jul 22, 2009 17:16:25 GMT -5
I'll thoroughly address this later. I've already addressed the meat of it in chat.
I'm going to start reviewing players as much as I can before exile now.
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Post by Jenya on Jul 22, 2009 17:24:26 GMT -5
Ok, correcting something here.
Kirsten was joking about:
"I feel more comfortable with my vote there (feeding into the Amelia Kirsten/Donald connections, hehe)"
Basically saying, "I know this will feed Amelia's paranoia, but I'm moving off Donald right now."
Kirsten says she moved to Levi because:
A) "The reason i changed from thinking he was lying to being not sure is because his later posts in the thread actually were plausible"
and
B) "I voted Levi because I thought Ellis and friends were going to vote Levi as well"
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