Post by Kirsten on May 31, 2009 3:51:48 GMT -5
Donald, I told you I'd PM you about this, but I decided to just post it in the burg instead. I'd rather this be debated and discussed as early as possible.
I was suspicious of you early episode 1, but I grew less suspicious over time. At any rate, our discussion from last episode rekindled that old spark we thought might have been lost.
When we chatted, I asked you who you planned on voting.
spies6Kirsten (7:38:10 AM): who do you plan on voting?
spies6donald (7:38:37 AM): Right now I'm considering Roxy, but I want to hear from her first.
spies6donald (7:38:52 AM): I'm sending her a PM now, because I don't know when she'll get back, so I hope to hear from her that way before exile
spies6Kirsten (7:39:03 AM): -vote?
spies6donald (7:39:11 AM): yeah
spies6donald (7:39:24 AM): my other thought is on Gretchen, the other night in our team chat, don't know if you saw it
From reading this, it looks as though you plan on voting Roxy. Gretchen is a secondary option for you. Then, here is a piece from a bit later in that chat:
spies6Kirsten (7:47:40 AM): Why Roxy?
spies6Kirsten (7:53:01 AM): still here?
spies6donald (7:53:08 AM): still here
spies6donald (7:53:17 AM): did you get the first thing I said?
spies6Kirsten (7:53:39 AM): I asked "why roxy" didn't get anything past that point
spies6donald (7:53:56 AM): When I was reviewing my conversations with her, she didn't commit much to her opinions, and didn't contribute much to the discussion either. She's one who seems to 'post without posting' i.e. IIRC, she's the one who in our burg said "I have some suspects, but I don't want to mention them, yet"
spies6donald (7:54:46 AM): When I talked with her about Mei, she said very little, and then my opinion on Mei started building off of that. I was building off of my assumptions more than what she said
spies6Kirsten (7:55:27 AM): hmm
spies6Kirsten (7:56:06 AM): what do you think about Gretchen being so adamant that Roxy be lynched. What are your thoughts on the fact that one of your top two suspects wants the other one dead.
spies6donald (7:57:07 AM): It's certainly possible that Gretchen could be bussing, but it sounds more likely that Gretchen is going for an easy lynch
spies6Kirsten (7:58:04 AM): does that affect your opinion of Roxy? That you think Gretchen is going for an easy lynch?
spies6donald (7:58:15 AM): So I'm hoping Roxy will reply to my PM before Exile, but if she doesn't, I'll probably stick with a Gretchen vote at this time, because Roxy has a fair excuse of being gone for Mem weekend, and as I said, Gretchen could be going for the easy lynch
spies6donald (7:58:17 AM): it does
spies6donald (7:58:37 AM): I would guess Roxy is likely a citizen if Gretchen turns up a spy
Here I question you how you feel about Gretchen wanting Roxy dead when they are your two top suspects. You mention that it looks like Gretchen is going for the easy lynch and that you are going to stick with a gretchen vote. In the earlier part of our chat, however, when I first asked you what you thought, you listed Roxy first, and suggested that you were most suspicious of her.
I find that swap to be extremely suspicious. If you had really found Roxy as suspicious as it appeared when you first listed her as a suspect of yours, I doubt you would have dropped that suspicion at the first sign of anything contrary. As a citizen, I would have expected your response to be something like "I will consider that point. Gretchen may be looking for an easy lynch, and I will reconsider my suspicions of Roxy in light of that" not "yep, that's why I'm sticking with the Gretchen vote I was planning all along" when you most certainly were not planning that all along.
In 8 minutes time, you went from having your vote on Roxy, to changing it to Gretchen and mentioning that you were going to stick with Gretchen. I really feel like this was a de post facto swap in opinion based on my own thoughts, and not any kind of genuine suspicion.
Also, when we talked tonight, I asked you about it:
spies6Kirsten (10:42:26 PM): basically the gist of it is that you gave off the impression that you were originally going to vote Roxy, and somehow that changed into you were going to vote Gretchen
spies6donald (10:43:24 PM): at the time, Roxy did have my vote
spies6donald (10:43:59 PM): To put it brief, I switched to Gretchen because of how suspicious I became of her, mostly during the team chat
spies6donald (10:44:28 PM): and additionally for not being able to talk to Roxy before exile, I PMed her to have some questions answered, and I can't remember if I logged in before exile or not
spies6Kirsten (10:44:31 PM): at one point, you mentioned that you were "sticking with Gretchen" though
spies6Kirsten (10:44:42 PM): how does that jive with your vote being on Roxy at the time?
spies6donald (10:45:33 PM): I don't know, I'll have to look back at my votes and what we were saying to remember exactly when I switched, and what I was thinking at the time
spies6donald (10:45:48 PM): but in general, that was my reasoning for Gretchen over Roxy
You mention that your vote was on Roxy originally. Within that 8 minutes of chatting between us, you apparently changed your mind? I find that to be highly suspicious.
I was suspicious of you early episode 1, but I grew less suspicious over time. At any rate, our discussion from last episode rekindled that old spark we thought might have been lost.
When we chatted, I asked you who you planned on voting.
spies6Kirsten (7:38:10 AM): who do you plan on voting?
spies6donald (7:38:37 AM): Right now I'm considering Roxy, but I want to hear from her first.
spies6donald (7:38:52 AM): I'm sending her a PM now, because I don't know when she'll get back, so I hope to hear from her that way before exile
spies6Kirsten (7:39:03 AM): -vote?
spies6donald (7:39:11 AM): yeah
spies6donald (7:39:24 AM): my other thought is on Gretchen, the other night in our team chat, don't know if you saw it
From reading this, it looks as though you plan on voting Roxy. Gretchen is a secondary option for you. Then, here is a piece from a bit later in that chat:
spies6Kirsten (7:47:40 AM): Why Roxy?
spies6Kirsten (7:53:01 AM): still here?
spies6donald (7:53:08 AM): still here
spies6donald (7:53:17 AM): did you get the first thing I said?
spies6Kirsten (7:53:39 AM): I asked "why roxy" didn't get anything past that point
spies6donald (7:53:56 AM): When I was reviewing my conversations with her, she didn't commit much to her opinions, and didn't contribute much to the discussion either. She's one who seems to 'post without posting' i.e. IIRC, she's the one who in our burg said "I have some suspects, but I don't want to mention them, yet"
spies6donald (7:54:46 AM): When I talked with her about Mei, she said very little, and then my opinion on Mei started building off of that. I was building off of my assumptions more than what she said
spies6Kirsten (7:55:27 AM): hmm
spies6Kirsten (7:56:06 AM): what do you think about Gretchen being so adamant that Roxy be lynched. What are your thoughts on the fact that one of your top two suspects wants the other one dead.
spies6donald (7:57:07 AM): It's certainly possible that Gretchen could be bussing, but it sounds more likely that Gretchen is going for an easy lynch
spies6Kirsten (7:58:04 AM): does that affect your opinion of Roxy? That you think Gretchen is going for an easy lynch?
spies6donald (7:58:15 AM): So I'm hoping Roxy will reply to my PM before Exile, but if she doesn't, I'll probably stick with a Gretchen vote at this time, because Roxy has a fair excuse of being gone for Mem weekend, and as I said, Gretchen could be going for the easy lynch
spies6donald (7:58:17 AM): it does
spies6donald (7:58:37 AM): I would guess Roxy is likely a citizen if Gretchen turns up a spy
Here I question you how you feel about Gretchen wanting Roxy dead when they are your two top suspects. You mention that it looks like Gretchen is going for the easy lynch and that you are going to stick with a gretchen vote. In the earlier part of our chat, however, when I first asked you what you thought, you listed Roxy first, and suggested that you were most suspicious of her.
I find that swap to be extremely suspicious. If you had really found Roxy as suspicious as it appeared when you first listed her as a suspect of yours, I doubt you would have dropped that suspicion at the first sign of anything contrary. As a citizen, I would have expected your response to be something like "I will consider that point. Gretchen may be looking for an easy lynch, and I will reconsider my suspicions of Roxy in light of that" not "yep, that's why I'm sticking with the Gretchen vote I was planning all along" when you most certainly were not planning that all along.
In 8 minutes time, you went from having your vote on Roxy, to changing it to Gretchen and mentioning that you were going to stick with Gretchen. I really feel like this was a de post facto swap in opinion based on my own thoughts, and not any kind of genuine suspicion.
Also, when we talked tonight, I asked you about it:
spies6Kirsten (10:42:26 PM): basically the gist of it is that you gave off the impression that you were originally going to vote Roxy, and somehow that changed into you were going to vote Gretchen
spies6donald (10:43:24 PM): at the time, Roxy did have my vote
spies6donald (10:43:59 PM): To put it brief, I switched to Gretchen because of how suspicious I became of her, mostly during the team chat
spies6donald (10:44:28 PM): and additionally for not being able to talk to Roxy before exile, I PMed her to have some questions answered, and I can't remember if I logged in before exile or not
spies6Kirsten (10:44:31 PM): at one point, you mentioned that you were "sticking with Gretchen" though
spies6Kirsten (10:44:42 PM): how does that jive with your vote being on Roxy at the time?
spies6donald (10:45:33 PM): I don't know, I'll have to look back at my votes and what we were saying to remember exactly when I switched, and what I was thinking at the time
spies6donald (10:45:48 PM): but in general, that was my reasoning for Gretchen over Roxy
You mention that your vote was on Roxy originally. Within that 8 minutes of chatting between us, you apparently changed your mind? I find that to be highly suspicious.