Exile 5: Thoughts

[Georgia]

I will definitely make it my mission to chat with those whom I haven't really reached out to yet.

Episode Four was a bit better - I think.

Sometimes it is a conundrum. Are these people whom look like newbies, and there for are probably newbie citizens, really that? Or are they experienced players, whom are spies trying to look like newbie citizens? How many bluffs is everyone playing?

Tiberius, Thor, and Ellis - feel foul to me.
Kirsten, Gretchen - feel citizen.
Ariel - big disappointment
Rey, Boris - Rey seems so certain of things, and claims to of had people role claiming to him. Why him? Why did/does Boris trust him with the tie breaker power?

[Georgia]

Friday, June 12, 2009
spies6ellis (16:02:32): Hi Georgia
spies6Georgia (16:02:52): Hey Ellis.
spies6ellis (16:03:0): Sorry about last night
spies6ellis (16:03:7): Seems like one of us is always dashing off somewhere.
spies6ellis (16:03:33): Anyway I wanted some advice
spies6ellis (16:03:43): And you seemed like the right person to ask.
spies6Georgia (16:04:0): No problem.
spies6ellis (16:04:17): Soooo I really can't afford another penalty this time out
spies6ellis (16:04:32): which means I somehow have to find eight burg posts to post.
spies6ellis (16:04:37): So far I've insulted Rey and Jenya
spies6ellis (16:04:41): Said goodbye to Ed
spies6ellis (16:04:48): and asked everyone why they aren't posting more in the burg.
spies6Georgia (16:05:56): Did he say just posts, or relative to the game posts?
spies6ellis (16:06:4): Relevant to game posts
spies6ellis (16:06:12): which means that if you don't count Ed's farewell
spies6ellis (16:06:16): I still have six left to do.
spies6Georgia (16:07:9): Do you have any questions for people?
spies6ellis (16:07:20): lol
spies6ellis (16:07:25): that comes under the same heading as "suspicions"
spies6ellis (16:07:30): which is: none that I'd ever post in the burg!
spies6ellis (16:07:47): I guess there are circumstances where posting that stuff might somehow be useful to the citizens.
spies6ellis (16:07:51): Right now I can't think of any.
spies6Georgia (16:08:12): When people post in public they lie, or they don't say what they really think
spies6ellis (16:08:27): Not always
spies6ellis (16:08:39): but I know some do, some who I think are citizens
spies6Georgia (16:08:42): I agree with that to a certain extent. However when you chat one-on-one with someone; they can lie there as well.
spies6Georgia (16:08:50): And the other person(s) can make it public.
spies6ellis (16:09:2): The difference being, it's not plastered all over the burg.
spies6ellis (16:09:44): With the (very unlikely) exception of Kirsten's Donald case - unlikely because I think Donald's exile was decided over AIM about twenty minutes before votes were due, I was there -
spies6Georgia (16:09:47): Thought Spies isn't all about AIM. It involves the Burg as well.
spies6ellis (16:10:1): I can't think of a single time the burg has influenced the voting in any way.
spies6Georgia (16:10:10): Yvette.
spies6ellis (16:10:18): lol
spies6ellis (16:10:22): maybe, but that's not encouraging
spies6ellis (16:10:34): ok...
spies6ellis (16:10:39): I'll run with your first idea for the moment.
spies6ellis (16:10:41): Questions.
spies6Georgia (16:10:55): Well yeah. But one case of non enouragement - doesn't equal a study. Or a valid conclusion.
spies6Georgia (16:11:38): You can still keep things to yourself, and make non/secret plans in AIM - as well as posting thoughts regarding things in the burg at the same time.
spies6ellis (16:12:4): tbh I'm not a huge fan of forum games
spies6ellis (16:12:18): I find that the least threatening players are almost always the ones who make it to the end
spies6ellis (16:12:22): which defeats the point, really
spies6ellis (16:12:29): You only get punished for good play.
spies6Georgia (16:13:10): Haha. I agree with that. They are threatened, so they have to take out their biggest threats/enemies out first.
spies6Georgia (16:13:18): Happens all too often.
spies6Georgia (16:13:45): But the same goes for situations outside of forum games.
spies6ellis (16:13:53): That's true
spies6Georgia (16:14:0): It is a good strategic tactic. Unless of course it points directly to you.
spies6ellis (16:14:10): look at Robert's imprisonment for example, he was an obvious threat to the spies just from his burg posts
spies6Georgia (16:14:18): Yeah.
spies6ellis (16:14:23): (and maybe from AIM and other things too, I'm not making a point about the Burg there)
spies6ellis (16:14:39): lol
spies6ellis (16:14:42): I just had a fantastic thought
spies6ellis (16:14:47): so if people in the burg are "burgers"
spies6ellis (16:15:1): do you call people who mostly post cliche and sentiment rather than strategy
spies6ellis (16:15:4): "cheeseburgers"?
spies6Georgia (16:15:18): .Ahaha.
spies6ellis (16:15:26): Or people who overact all the time "hamburgers"?
spies6ellis (16:15:34): Or...
spies6ellis (16:15:37): ...
spies6ellis (16:15:42): ok I've run out of burger jokes.
spies6Georgia (16:15:54): Surloin Burgers.
spies6Georgia (16:16:0): A stretch.
spies6ellis (16:16:27): I'm laughing behind my grimace.
spies6Georgia (16:16:37): Haha.
spies6ellis (16:16:45): lol, sorry, best I could do.
spies6ellis (16:16:50): Anyway, I've posted a question for Ariel.
spies6ellis (16:16:57): That's post #3.



I'm not sure why he thought I would be able to give him advice on the subject. lol.

[Georgia]

spies6Georgia (15:50:23): Change of course. Did Ed talk to you about the Imprisonment thing?
spies6Tiberius (15:50:46): no and i havent got to reading that thread that... ariel?... posted yet
spies6Tiberius (15:50:48): but i do know
spies6Tiberius (15:50:53): about the "prophecy" or whatever
spies6Georgia (15:51:1): Kirsten posted it.
spies6Georgia (15:51:39): the "prophecy" in general. Or pertaining to Ed?
spies6Tiberius (15:51:50): like
spies6Tiberius (15:51:50): that
spies6Tiberius (15:51:55): he'd be imprisoned
spies6Tiberius (15:51:58): and that he was
spies6Tiberius (15:52:0): yeah
spies6Georgia (15:52:37): Oh. Okay. Did you know about if before hand?
spies6Georgia (15:52:51): Before hand being, before Ed was imprisoned.
spies6Tiberius (15:53:21): yes
spies6Tiberius (15:53:23): i remember
spies6Tiberius (15:53:27): reading it somewhere in the burg
spies6Georgia (15:54:31): Do you know where?
spies6Georgia (15:54:48): What Kirsten posted, was the first I'd ever heard/seen about it.
spies6Tiberius (15:55:15): i forget, somewhere in a chat transcript sam posted or something...
spies6Tiberius (15:55:20): happened during future week
spies6Georgia (15:59:39): Okay. Do you remember if Sam started the topic it was posted in?
spies6Tiberius (15:59:51): i think he MIGHT have yeah
spies6Tiberius (15:59:56): but i'm not 100% on that
spies6Georgia (16:00:40): Hmm. That is kind of weird. If it was posted, then someone would've commented on it, I would think.
spies6Tiberius (16:02:5): i think it was seen as just random flavor at the time
spies6Tiberius (16:02:11): that's what i remember my reaction being
spies6Tiberius (16:02:12): like
spies6Tiberius (16:02:18): just
spies6Tiberius (16:02:24): sam being all mysterious future week-ish
spies6Georgia (16:24:42): I can't find it.
spies6Tiberius (16:24:51): really?
spies6Tiberius (16:24:53): maybe
spies6Tiberius (16:24:55): MAYBE
spies6Tiberius (16:25:2): he said it in a chat but
spies6Tiberius (16:25:4): i dont think so
spies6Georgia (16:27:2): You don't think he said it in a chat?
spies6Tiberius (16:27:10): i mean
spies6Tiberius (16:27:15): i think he said it there FIRST
spies6Tiberius (16:27:21): and then when he posted it in the burg
spies6Tiberius (16:27:29): honestly georgia i dont have a clear picture
spies6Tiberius (16:27:32): but i'm like
spies6Tiberius (16:27:37): 90% sure that somewhere
spies6Tiberius (16:27:40): it was posted publically
spies6Georgia (16:30:51): Hmm.
spies6Tiberius (16:31:20): :/
spies6Tiberius (17:24:29): hey
spies6Tiberius (17:24:34): i just
spies6Tiberius (17:24:35): looked through my stuff
spies6Tiberius (17:24:36): seems
spies6Tiberius (17:24:37): he actually
spies6Tiberius (17:24:38): pmed me
spies6Tiberius (17:24:40): about it
spies6Georgia (17:25:28): Ed did or Sam?
spies6Tiberius (17:25:59): Ed
spies6Tiberius (17:26:1): Ed did
spies6Georgia (17:26:5): Oh.
spies6Tiberius (17:26:23): i got confuzzledfied
spies6Georgia (17:26:54): s'okay. I was just asking Rey about it, since he seemed a person to have read everything in the burg.
spies6Tiberius (17:27:16): yeah
spies6Tiberius (17:27:18): i swear
spies6Tiberius (17:27:21): i saw it in public
spies6Tiberius (17:27:27): but i just found the PM ed sent me



Your explanation seems faulty. You go from sure, to not sure, to 90% sure. Then after a bit of silence, just when I'm asking Rey about it. You correct, and say you found a PM from Ed concerning it. Rofl.

[Georgia]

I think the sun and generalness of today has fried my brain.

Thoughts and ideas in terms of connections are going into my head, swirling about, and coming out completely wrong. Or not coming out at all.

I guess it is akin to having slippery fingers and a bar of soap.

[Georgia]

Have talked to in previous episodes/multiple times/recently:
Kirsten
Rey
Thor
Tiberius
Levi
Ellis

Have not had a one-on-one with yet:
Amelia
Khaled
Ariel
Boris
Pete
Iris
Faith

Have tried to one-on-one with recently:
Jenya


Have spoken with previously, but not super recently:
Mirela
Oswald
Roxy
William
Jason

[Georgia]

*repeatedly kicks search function*

I think it is broken, or just faulty.

I look up Jenya's posts, max 100. It gives like 28. I say max 200, it gives me 92.

Does similar things, for word searches as well.

[Georgia]

She is a blunderer.
I don't think she really has any clear clue on what she is doing. She is all over the place, and she snips information to fit her needs, without fully investigating it.

Of course, I've only really noticed this AFTER the fact.

It happened with Yvette.

[Georgia]

Partly Spyish = Questionable Behavior:
Thor -
Tiberius -
Jenya -
William -
Ellis =


Meh = No strong read = ?:
Pete
Faith
Roxy

More Citizen than spyish:

Oswald
Boris
Kirsten
Khaled

Waffle:
Rey
Jason
Amelia
Ariel
Iris
Mirela

Not Voting:
Levi -
Gretchen -

[Georgia]

I want to vote either Amelia or Jenya this exile. But since Amelia is probably in danger of exiling herself, I don't really want to go that route.

Amelia's entire stance, that she found me suspicious because of "fighting". Then was willing to vote me out, even though she got her best "reads" off of people via AIM chats. We hadn't spoken since Episode 1.

She didn't seem at all perturbed by this.

Which I find highly suspicious.


spies6amelia (14:30:49): hi
spies6amelia (14:31:30): just noticed you were on
spies6Georgia (14:32:45): Hey.
spies6Georgia (14:32:52): I just came one a few minutes ago.
spies6amelia (14:33:8): well welcome
spies6amelia (14:33:20): so let's girl talk
spies6Georgia (14:34:19): Thanks. Okay.
spies6amelia (14:36:3): I have a question about Exile #1. You voted on Mei Yun and so did Donald. What was your reasoning?
spies6amelia (14:36:17): (and i'm not implying a connection, I just find it suspicious)
spies6Georgia (14:39:3): I think I was suspicious of Mei, and made a case about her before Donald did. Donald didn't even post his case about her until Episode Two. I believe he did the same thing for his vote in Exile 2, he posted his case at the beginning of Episode 3.
spies6amelia (14:39:20): ok, good to know
spies6Georgia (14:39:47): I found her to be a big deflector, and her character slippage was o.O
spies6amelia (14:39:54): haha
spies6amelia (14:40:7): so, touchy subject: the attitude in your posts and such - what gives?
spies6Georgia (14:42:9): As I've said to numerous people. I'm not here to make friends, it isn't my perogative. I'm here to have fun and win. I don't like being fake, so I don't do it. I prefer to be honest, and if it means being blunt and having a little venom; then so be it.
spies6amelia (14:42:25): fair enough
spies6amelia (14:42:34): well those were the reasons I was suspicious of you
spies6amelia (14:42:37): thanks for answering
spies6Georgia (14:44:12): Yeah. No problem.
spies6amelia (14:44:28): so you're voting for Faith? is that right?
spies6Georgia (14:44:59): No. I haven't spoken about Faith anywhere.
spies6amelia (14:45:9): oh, sorry
spies6amelia (14:45:23): so many posts; it gets hard to remember
spies6amelia (14:45:27): so who ARE you voting for?
spies6Georgia (14:46:25): Haha. I'm not quite sure yet. I'm still investigating people.
spies6amelia (14:46:47): oh I hear you; I've had to defend myself a bit, but I' mback on investigation track
spies6Georgia (14:47:8): Nice.
spies6Georgia (14:47:17): How about you?
spies6amelia (14:47:44): I'm thinking Faith at thsi point
spies6amelia (14:47:50): although I wish there were more than two options
spies6amelia (14:47:55): so I might try to make a third
spies6amelia (14:48:8): but I doubt i'll get much support
spies6amelia (14:49:15): also, I'd need a viable candidate, haha
spies6Georgia (14:50:54): Yeah. It was looking like most people were going with Faith, or William yesterday. But I think it'll be more spread out than that.
spies6amelia (14:51:19): especially since a lot of the folks I'm chatting with are like "I don't want to vote for either"
spies6Georgia (14:52:59): Hmm.
spies6Georgia (14:56:37): If you want make me the third option. Perhaps actually making a case on correct information? Instead of using "you voted the same person as donald", or that you want to break up a fighting pair.
spies6Georgia (14:57:7): I wasn't the only one whom voted Mei, nor were we voting "together". Roxy and I haven't fought for days now.
spies6amelia (14:57:52): I'm not looking to make you the third option at the moment
spies6amelia (14:58:1): and yeah, I know you and Rox have settled down
spies6Georgia (14:59:11): Less than an hour ago, you stated you wanted to see me go this exile.
spies6amelia (14:59:19): well, now we're chatting
spies6amelia (14:59:27): and I find it less appealing to try to Exile you
spies6Georgia (15:00:32): Funny how that works.
spies6amelia (15:00:51): well, as you quoted me saying; I get better reads on people when I'm chatting with them
spies6Georgia (15:03:8): Which is why I found it all hilarious and questionable. You are willing to vote me, yet we hadn't spoken since episode 1. Yet that didn't seem to bother you at all.
spies6amelia (15:04:25): I've been willing to vote several people before chatting with them
spies6amelia (15:04:34): but I try to chat with them beforehand
spies6amelia (15:04:38): kind of like now
spies6amelia (15:04:44): and when I was suspicious of Oswald
spies6amelia (15:05:23): I have an erratic schedule, which sucks, but I'm not always able to be consistent with my AIM time
spies6amelia (15:05:31): so it's hard to get to chat with people when I want to
spies6amelia (15:05:42): doesn't mean it's not my preferred means of communication
spies6Georgia (15:08:15): Ah. Schedules do suck.
spies6amelia (15:09:54): I also wasn't prepared for the intense time commitment of Spies I'm treading water, which kind of sucks for all of you, but I don't want to just drop out since we already have a couple of no shows/droppers/potential droppers
spies6Georgia (15:33:20): Yeah. I've experienced other games, which have been almost on the same level as I thought Spies would be. So I was prepared as best as I could be. Yet it still is like whoa, if you've never seen it in action before.
spies6amelia (15:34:18): so true
spies6amelia (15:34:26): it's getting easier with fewer people
spies6amelia (15:34:29): but the beginning was insane
spies6amelia (15:34:38): I'm looking at Ed's suspicions
spies6amelia (15:34:43): throughout the game
spies6amelia (15:34:50): trying to make sense of his Exile
spies6Georgia (15:34:55): Yeah. The separate groups was both a negative-positive.
spies6amelia (15:35:6): yes it was

[Ariel]

Psh, no YOU'RE a "big disappointment", Christina.

[Ellis]

Jun 12, 2009 22:31:52 GMT -5 Georgia said:

I'm not sure why he thought I would be able to give him advice on the subject. lol.

Wow! So much unjust Ellis suspicion! You should've tried to get me exiled, it probably wouldn't have worked but it might've kept me safe for the next imprisonment.

As for the advice... I was asking everyone online at the time! But I also wanted a better "read" on you. I never really thought you were a spy, but I was never 100% convinced you weren't until late on either.