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Post by Georgia on Jun 7, 2009 2:31:00 GMT -5
What follows is my best collection of information regarding what happened with the Jaya Exile Debacle/Situation. I think I'm more confused now, than I was before. Though after this day, I'm quite disappointed in Ariel and her performance. It almost seems Yvette was the selected mouth piece of the two. Highlighted PartsMy Commentary/Thoughts----------- - June 1, 244pm CDT - posted in Feminazi thread by Thor:
- very late addition to jaya lynch - there were already votes on her from myself, ariel, tiberius, and roxy (we didn't know about pete's). she changed her vote five minutes before the deadline, i believe - i'll have to doublecheck that.
- June 1, 912pm CDT -
Roxy makes a post in the Feminazi thread. Why didn't she debunk Thor's statement that she had voted for Jaya?
- June 1, 934pm CDT, Feminazi thread, by Thor:
here's yvette's hand in the jaya lynch.
spies6thor (9:49:24 PM): not much time. rey's bandwagoning a FUCKTON of people and pete and ariel and i think this is horribly wrong and we're + jaya - pete.
spies6thor (9:49:40 PM): you and ariel are the ONLY people he didn't talk about pete to.
spies6Yvette (9:49:44 PM): I have already beat you TO it, ha!
spies6Yvette (9:49:48 PM): + Georgia - Pete
spies6thor (9:50:02 PM): i think georgia might be the wrong idea.
spies6thor (9:50:33 PM): i don't know but tiberius is + jaya, he doesn't even buy the pete case and he and rey are close as fuck.
spies6Yvette (9:51:08 PM): I may change my vote, I am not sure.
(this is the last time we spoke of it before it took place.)
spies6Ariel (9:54:01 PM): Yvette's changing to Rey.
spies6Ariel (9:54:04 PM): er.
spies6Ariel (9:54:05 PM): Not Rey.
spies6Ariel (9:54:06 PM): Jaya.
I thought they didn't know about Pete's vote for Jaya beforehand?
- June 2, 746pm CDT - Feminazi Thread, post by Georgia
Thor.
Roxy didn't vote for Jaya.
He never responded
- June 5, 639pm CDT - Thor and Georgia
spies6thor (16:39:16): okay, i guess i'm satisfied. what do you want to know about the jaya exile?
spies6Georgia (16:41:4): I was wondering how it went down. I saw your post concerning a bit of chat. That it seemed to stem from not wanting Pete to go via REy's campaigning. But I can't find what thread it was in to read it again. But it seemed more like yours and Tiberius'? idea, rather than Ariel's - which Yvette gave her all the credit for.
spies6thor (16:43:3): ariel and i spoke about rey's case to exile pete, which didn't make sense, and we considered what other options there were. we came to the conclusion that jaya was in general more suspicious than anyone, and rey's move off of her seemed suspect.
spies6thor (16:43:43): we started talking with others, namely tiberius and roxy, about how they were voting. both were already planning on voting for jaya.
spies6thor (16:43:58): then, yvette came online and we persuaded her to change her vote from you to jaya.
spies6thor (16:44:5): that's basically what happened.
spies6Georgia (16:44:33): Oh, that is something I noticed earlier, that you mentioned elsewhere I believe.
spies6Georgia (16:44:39): Roxy didn't vote for Jaya, she voted for me.
spies6thor (16:45:48): the voting history lists her as voting for you, while the chart lists her voting for jaya.
spies6Georgia (16:46:6): The chart?
spies6thor (16:46:16): spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=deport9366&action=display&thread=920
spies6Georgia (16:47:28): Okay. But if you thought she was voting for Jaya, then why didn't you or the others say anything when her vote for me appeared?
spies6Georgia (16:47:32): Excuse me, be right back.
spies6thor (16:48:17): i did, in private.
He says they mostly talked with Tiberius and Roxy, both were already planning on voting for Jaya. I point out that Roxy didn't vote for Jaya. He said he privately commented/asked about Roxy's non-voting for Jaya, and voting for Georgia
- June 5, 745pm CDT. Georgia to Thor.
Okay, to finish the question.
You said Roxy was intending on voting for Jaya, but she voted for Me.
Yet you said int he Voting chart, it has her as voting for Jaya.
So Sam didn't see her vote, even though he rechecked them?
When her + vote for me came up, she said ..
Sorin the Seeker (20:26:27): +Georgia, by Roxy
spies6levi (20:26:30): 1 Georgia
Sorin the Seeker (20:26:36): -Georgia, by Donald.
spies6Jenya (20:26:39): Nice math there Levi\
spies6Ariel (20:26:40): Another goose egg.
spies6levi (20:26:40): 0 Votes
Sorin the Seeker (20:26:41): -Gerogia, by Jaya.
spies6mirela (20:26:42): what the hell
spies6Ariel (20:26:43): -1.
Sorin the Seeker (20:26:45): -1 for Georgia.
spies6levi (20:26:49): -1 Georgia
Sorin the Seeker (20:26:55): -Thor by Pete
spies6Boris (20:26:57): i am here, but not here
Sorin the Seeker (20:27:0): -Thor by Roxy
spies6levi (20:27:5): -1 Georgia -2 Thor
spies6Ariel (20:27:6): -1 for Georgia, -2 for Thor.
Sorin the Seeker (20:27:6): -Kirsten by Georgia
spies6thor (20:27:9): hahaha
Sorin the Seeker (20:27:12): -Kirsten by Gretchen
spies6mirela (20:27:13): how undescisive
Sorin the Seeker (20:27:17): -2 for Kirsten and Georgia
spies6william (20:27:18): negative thor, the temperature at which thought freezes
spies6levi (20:27:19): -1 Georgia -2 Kristen -2 Thor
spies6william (20:27:20): P
spies6donald (20:27:34): lol Will
spies6Roxy (20:27:35): um
Sorin the Seeker (20:27:37): in the lead, tied for 0 votes are tons of people. ANYONED COULD BE EXILED!
spies6Tiberius (20:27:43): D=
spies6Roxy (20:27:45): i changed my vote but whatever.
spies6MeiYun (20:27:47): *rollseyes*
spies6donald (20:27:50): Oh NOES!!
spies6jaya (20:27:50): ack
spies6Tiberius (20:27:51): i'm up for exile
spies6iris (20:27:51): LOL
Sorin the Seeker (20:27:51): -Pete by Yvette.
spies6levi (20:27:52): GASP
spies6william (20:27:55): an only-negative vote round would be very interesting
spies6levi (20:27:56): -1 Georgia -2 Kirsten -2 Thor -1 Pete
Sorin the Seeker (20:27:59): +Pete by Rey
spies6mirela (20:28:2): eek
spies6Roxy (20:28:5): sam
Sorin the Seeker (20:28:7): -Pete by Ariel.
spies6Roxy (20:28:9): look at my vote again
spies6Roxy (20:28:11): if you want
spies6Roxy (20:28:13):
Sorin the Seeker (20:28:13): -1 for Pete.
spies6levi (20:28:17): Gah, I give up
Sorin the Seeker (20:28:19): alright I will check it apologies if I messed it up.
spies6donald (20:28:22): When did you change your vote, Roxy?
spies6Roxy (20:28:24): its ok
spies6Roxy (20:28:28): a while ago
spies6levi (20:28:30): -1 Georgia -2 Kirsten -2 Thor -1 Pete
spies6Roxy (20:28:30): the - part
She says she changed the negative part, not the positive part. It didn't seem like she was saying that she had changed her positive vote for me, or that it was wrong. So how did she end up voting for Jaya; even though it says and she didn't disagree with the posted vote for me? Or, why did she not vote for Jaya, when apparently she said she was going to already?
- June 6, 1233pm CDT. Thor's response
i honestly wouldn't know.
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Post by Georgia on Jun 7, 2009 2:50:12 GMT -5
- June 6, 6pm CDT. Georgia & Thor.
spies6Georgia (16:00:4): How would you not know about the vote discrepancy? You said you talked to her privately about it.
spies6thor (16:00:42): before the vote happened. i was confused but i didn't ask about it.
spies6Georgia (16:01:12): You told me yesterday, that you asked her about it.
spies6thor (16:01:52): no, i said i commented on it in private. i didn't have the chance to clarify that it wasn't to her.
spies6Georgia (16:05:15): I guess I'm confused then. Because it doesn't make sense to me. Someone tells you that they are going to vote a certain way, then they don't. You let it... slide by with out asking them about it? Further, you don't see anything wrong, or even seem to notice that there is a discrepancy in the voting. You just take it as it rolls?
spies6thor (16:06:3): i was more than a bit preoccupied with rey's vote for pete and the aftermath of the exile. i don't speak to roxy much at all.
spies6Georgia (16:06:52): Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me. Especially since it seemed to be a deciding factor in her being a lynch choice.
spies6thor (16:07:51): okay, that's what happened and if you don't like it try and make a case on me. that's how it works.
spies6Georgia (16:08:15): As I said, it sounds like a bunch of bullshit.
spies6thor (16:09:0): and, as i said, that's what happened. at that point i wasn't concerned with what roxy was saying because i was busy freaking out about rey trying adamantly to get pete exiled.
spies6Georgia (16:09:48): That doesn't really fly with what you told me yesterday.
spies6Georgia (16:10:24): It seemed like after you and Ariel had talked with Rey, you strategized to come up with a better target. Then spoke with mainly Tiberius and Roxy to see how they were voting.
spies6Georgia (16:10:56): If you make a plan with someone, to vote and exile another out; and they don't follow through with it. Especially whent he exiled one turns out to be spy - you don't find that questionable in the least?
spies6thor (16:12:24): honestly, i forgot roxy had voted differently. because we had just lynched a spy, and i was trying to sort everything that had happened in the past day, because it was a LOT. the chart showed her having voted for jaya, so it didn't occur to me that she hadn't until you brought it uop again.
spies6Georgia (16:12:58): then why did you say this..
spies6Georgia (16:13:3): spies6Georgia (16:47:28): Okay. But if you thought she was voting for Jaya, then why didn't you or the others say anything when her vote for me appeared?
spies6Georgia (16:47:32): Excuse me, be right back.
spies6thor (16:48:17): i did, in private.
spies6thor (16:13:47): i did, during the exile, when i saw it, to ariel. that was near the beginning.
spies6Georgia (16:14:56): Then you completely forgot about it?
- June 6, 609pm CDT. Spies6 Room
spies6Georgia (16:18:26): Situation: Canada, Brazil, Tibet, and Madagascar plan to assasinate the leader of Mars. Mars is suspected of being super evil. Mars is assasinated, but Brazil didn't follow through on their promise to help. Mars ends up being the super evil, they were suspected of being.
spies6Kirsten (16:18:29): I told him he could borrow my spanish inquisition outfit and see what happened
spies6levi (16:18:51): WTF?
spies6Georgia (16:19:1): Do Canada, Tibet, and Madagascar interrogate Brazil?
spies6Georgia (16:19:10): Or wonder what happened?
spies6levi (16:19:21): they should interrogate brazil
spies6thor (16:19:31): wow, way to leave out the majority of what was going on.
spies6Georgia (16:19:31): Or forget about it?
spies6Georgia (16:19:52): SImplest version for anonymity.
spies6Kirsten (16:20:9): yeah, they should ask Brazil what happened.
spies6Kirsten (16:20:20): anyway...what's the analogy?
spies6rey (16:20:57): brazil sounds like me... exile two.. -.-
spies6Georgia (16:21:15): Brazil isn't you Rey.
spies6rey (16:21:18): yay!
spies6thor (16:21:18): it's about how ariel and i were trying to figure out a jaya lynch, we talked to tiberius and roxy who we thought were both voting jaya, georgia didn't and i forgot to ask why because the chart showed her voting for jaya anyway.
spies6thor (16:21:26): er
spies6rey (16:21:27): can i be madagascar?
spies6rey (16:21:30): it sounds cool.
spies6thor (16:21:36): roxy didn't and i forgot to ask why.
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spies6thor (16:22:22): also note that i remembered roxy saying her vote was wrong. i didn't remember her qualifying it with only the - vote.
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spies6Kirsten (16:23:24): So Roxy was originally on the Jaya vote wagon but didn't vote her?
spies6Georgia (16:23:26): As I said, it sounded like bullshit to me that one one whom knew about it; asked her why she didn't vote for the person she said she would - especially when they turned out Spy.
spies6Georgia (16:23:43): *that no one whom...
spies6levi (16:23:46): I was not aware of this unitl now
spies6rey (16:23:51): okay all i know about this situation is that roxy was apparently supporting the jaya exile but in the vote count, she didn't.
spies6rey (16:24:3): but i think sam missed her vote, because in the vote count it doesn't show her + vote at all.
spies6Georgia (16:24:11): Because, the person is changing it.
spies6thor (16:24:20): ariel is the one who spoke with roxy, anyway.
spies6Georgia (16:24:25): I asked him about it yesterday, and he clarified that Roxy + Georiga and - Pete.
spies6rey (16:25:12): spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=deport9366&action=display&thread=920&page=1
spies6rey (16:25:16): it shows roxy voting for jaya.
spies6rey (16:25:21): sorry, you're wrong.
spies6Georgia (16:25:37): No I'm not. I asked Sam specifically.
spies6rey (16:25:48): really?
spies6thor (16:25:53): spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=deport9366&action=display&thread=643 shows roxy voting for georgia.
spies6levi (16:26:6): It does
spies6rey (16:26:29): ah.
spies6levi (16:26:31): The voting chart shows Roxy voting for Jaya
spies6Georgia (16:26:35): Yes I did. I even quoted the live chat to him, where it showed Roxy + Georgia and - Thor. Then her saying her vote was wrong and that she changed in. Then Donald asking her when she changed it. Then Roxy saying awhile ago, but the - part.
spies6rey (16:26:37): yeah, that's weird.
spies6Georgia (16:26:54): As I said. Sam said he left a message for the person in charge of the chart, and that they would fix it.
spies6rey (16:27:4): oh.
spies6rey (16:27:5): my bad.
spies6rey (16:27:6): hmm..
spies6levi (16:27:30): Hmmmm, interesting
spies6thor (16:28:40): georgia, are you trying to argue that it suspicious that one of the people who organized the lynch is suspcious for not asking someone why they didn't follow through, having forgotten they didn't, and later seeing a chart said that they had? because there's certainly several far more suspicious people to vote for.
spies6thor (16:29:14): apologies for backasswards grammar.
spies6Georgia (16:29:43): Did I say I was going to vote for you or Roxy?
spies6Georgia (16:29:45): No.
spies6Georgia (16:30:6): Just because I won't vote you, doesn't mean I can't bring something up that sounds like bullshit to me.
spies6Kirsten (16:30:50): have you approached other people involved with this?
spies6Kirsten (16:31:11): or is Thor somehow a more guilty party?
spies6levi (16:31:51): Good question Kirsten
spies6Georgia (16:31:52): I'm saying the whole thing is suspicious. You make a plan to lynch Jaya. Someone whom said they were going to vote that way, doesn't. No one questions them on it. Why not? I haven't, I haven't seen them online. Nor do I wish to talk to Roxy directly.
spies6Georgia (16:32:31): Thor is the only one I've been able to talk about it, since he seemed to be co-operate/leader in going for Jaya.
spies6Kirsten (16:32:41): ok
spies6rey (16:32:44): ~
spies6rey (16:32:57): +
spies6rey (16:32:59): o
spies6Kirsten (16:33:2): so did Roxy say she was going to vote Jaya?
spies6Kirsten (16:33:6): and then just not?
spies6thor (16:33:21): i was under the impression she was. ariel is the one who spoke with her about it, not me.
spies6Kirsten (16:33:25): ok
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Post by Georgia on Jun 7, 2009 3:03:32 GMT -5
- June 6, spies6 Room cont..
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spies6rey (18:27:55): spies6rey (6:21:44 PM): what's the deal with you not voting yvette? some people have been asking me about that.
spies6Georgia (18:28:30): Uh, she did vote for Yvette.
spies6rey (18:28:34): ERM.
spies6Georgia (18:28:36): I think it is Jaya you mean?
spies6rey (18:28:38): i meant JAYA.
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pies6Roxy (18:29:21): wait whats the deal in me not voting jaya?
spies6rey (18:29:32): yeah,
spies6Roxy (18:29:33): was that the question?
spies6Roxy (18:29:41): um...cause i had no evidence against jaya
spies6rey (18:29:51): did you not claim to be voting her ?
spies6Roxy (18:29:52): we never talked
spies6Roxy (18:30:1): i never said i was voting jaya
spies6Roxy (18:30:2): ever.
spies6Roxy (18:30:5): READ.
spies6rey (18:30:7): some people were under the impression that you were.
spies6rey (18:30:9): HEY!
spies6rey (18:30:11): it's not ME.
spies6Roxy (18:30:14): lmao <3
spies6rey (18:30:19): i had no idea what was going on.
spies6Roxy (18:30:19): well I NEVER SAID THAT
spies6Roxy (18:30:24): so if you want to find me evidence
spies6Roxy (18:30:30): of where i suspected jaya
spies6Roxy (18:30:32): go ahead
spies6Roxy (18:30:32): =)
spies6rey (18:30:41): okay.
spies6rey (18:30:42): well.
spies6Roxy (18:30:47): you won't, however.
spies6rey (18:30:53): georgia, who was the one that said roxy claimed to be voting for jaya again?
spies6rey (18:31:2): i think thor said it was ariel, correct ?
spies6Roxy (18:31:22): i think It is making up shit.
spies6Georgia (18:35:44): Thor did. Then he said Ariel has spoken to Roxy.
spies6Georgia (18:35:49): *had
spies6Roxy (18:36:4): well ask thor for evidence. mkay.
spies6Roxy (18:36:35): my vote that exile was between georgia and gretchen.
spies6Georgia (18:37:50): spies6thor (16:43:3): ariel and i spoke about rey's case to exile pete, which didn't make sense, and we considered what other options there were. we came to the conclusion that jaya was in general more suspicious than anyone, and rey's move off of her seemed suspect.
spies6thor (16:43:43): we started talking with others, namely tiberius and roxy, about how they were voting. both were already planning on voting for jaya.
spies6thor (16:43:58): then, yvette came online and we persuaded her to change her vote from you to jaya.
spies6thor (16:44:5): that's basically what happened.
spies6Roxy (18:38:19): nope that never happened.
spies6Roxy (18:38:29): someone is lying there and i can tell you it is not me.
spies6Roxy (18:38:38): no where did i EVER state suspicion of jaya.
spies6Georgia (18:39:3): It isn't about stating suspicion. It is about the actual vote.
spies6Roxy (18:39:21): yeah and i stated that i was voting gretchen or you
spies6Roxy (18:39:25): numerous times.
spies6Kirsten (18:39:38): did Ariel ever talk to you about voting for jaya?
spies6Roxy (18:39:51): i will check my aim chats right now
spies6Kirsten (18:39:53): ok
spies6Roxy (18:40:47): it appears i did not talk to ariel that episode
spies6Roxy (18:40:49): on AIM.
spies6Roxy (18:41:19): or didnt save the conversation. see if she has a record of it
spies6levi (18:42:12): I'm back
spies6levi (18:42:17): Did I miss anything important?
spies6Roxy (18:42:23): so who apparently said i was voting jaya?
spies6Roxy (18:42:26): Ariel or Thor
spies6Roxy (18:42:27): ?
spies6Kirsten (18:42:34): spies6thor (16:43:43): we started talking with others, namely tiberius and roxy, about how they were voting. both were already planning on voting for jaya.
spies6Kirsten (18:42:55): thor was under that impression. He also said Ariel was the one who was going to chat to you about it
spies6rey (18:43:26): "and rey's move off of her seemed suspect."
spies6Roxy (18:43:27): i dont believe she ever di
spies6Roxy (18:43:30): ariel only told me
spies6Roxy (18:43:36): to - vote Pete.
spies6rey (18:43:37): yeah, because i suspect my partner and then last minute decide not to bus them.
spies6rey (18:43:42): what a great use of a bus.
spies6Roxy (18:43:42): That was the only time I talked to her
spies6Roxy (18:43:58): and that was 10 minutes before votes were do.
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spies6Roxy (19:49:51): did you go around saying i suspected/ was voting for jaya or something?
spies6rey (19:49:58): ^ that.
spies6Ariel (19:50:12): I think I told Thor that, yes.
spies6Ariel (19:50:14): Why?
spies6Roxy (19:50:22): because i never said that.
spies6rey (19:50:25): the secret's out !
spies6Roxy (19:50:37): so could provide some evidence
spies6levi (19:51:39): *awkward silence*
spies6rey (19:52:11): why did you twist roxy's words, ariel?
spies6Ariel (19:52:39): Roxy asked for evidence. I'm going to get said evidence, so if you'll excuse me, Rey, I can't talk right now.
spies6Ariel (19:53:2): And saying I "twisted Roxy's words" is putting things in a very negative light. But seeing as you're a Spy...
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spies6Ariel (19:57:13): Roxy, in this convo I had with Thor, I was sure you were voting Jaya.
spies6Ariel (19:57:18): As I recall, you did, didn't you?
spies6Georgia (19:57:20): Too bad Rey.
spies6Roxy (19:57:23): nope.
spies6Roxy (19:57:33): i was voting gretchen or georgia,
spies6Roxy (19:57:39): so i find it odd that you assumed jaya.
spies6rey (19:57:55): "Roxy asked for evidence. I'm going to get said evidence"
spies6rey (19:57:58): where is it? ._.
spies6Roxy (19:58:8): there is none.
spies6Roxy (19:58:11): o.o
spies6rey (19:58:18): haha oh well.
spies6Ariel (19:58:21): Would you hold on.
spies6rey (19:58:23): good thing i don't think she's a spy.
spies6rey (19:58:24): xD
spies6Ariel (19:58:24): I'm looking at the Exile chat.
spies6Georgia (19:58:38): It wouldn't be in the live Exile Chat.
spies6Roxy (19:59:21): and what is the timestamp on that convo. because as i recalled we only talked right before the exile, when you told me about - voting pete.
spies6rey (19:59:42): that's why you said you changed your vote, right roxy?
spies6Ariel (19:59:52): That's the convo I'm talking about and it will be going up in my Rey case.
spies6Roxy (19:59:52): correct.
spies6Roxy (20:00:6): okay....but is there aanything about jaya.
spies6rey (20:00:18): uh ?
spies6Georgia (20:00:21): Well the question at hand. Is that Thor was under the impression that Roxy was voting for Jaya - because of a conversation Ariel and Roxy had.
spies6rey (20:00:29): ariel, who roxy was voting for has nothing to do with me.
spies6rey (20:00:33): stop avoiding the question.
spies6Ariel (20:00:39): spies6Roxy (10:28:00 PM): um
Judge Sam (10:28:01 PM): in the lead, tied for 0 votes are tons of people. ANYONED COULD BE EXILED!
spies6Tiberius (10:28:08 PM): D=
spies6Roxy (10:28:10 PM): i changed my vote but whatever.
spies6Ariel (20:00:47): Rey, this whole conversation has nothing to do with you. Shut up.
spies6Roxy (20:00:49): yes.
spies6Roxy (20:00:53): i changed my vote.
spies6Roxy (20:00:56): to PETE.
spies6Roxy (20:00:58): from THOR.
spies6Roxy (20:01:0): to -.
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spies6Ariel (20:01:40): Hum.
spies6Ariel (20:01:54): You're right, Roxy. I apologize.
spies6Roxy (20:01:58): and that still doesnt explain what you told thor
spies6Roxy (20:02:3): which would have happened BEFORE.
spies6Georgia (20:02:10): The answer should be - whether or not Ariel and Roxy had a conversation regarding Roxy voting for Jaya.
spies6Ariel (20:02:28): You told me you were changing your vote. I took that to mean changing your plus vote to Jaya, instead of your minus vote to Pete.
spies6Ariel (20:02:30): I'm sorry.
spies6Georgia (20:02:32): Which gave thor the imprssion that Roxy was voting for Jaya.
spies6Georgia (20:02:44): *spelling.
spies6Roxy (20:02:49): fair enough.
spies6Roxy (20:02:50): however.
spies6rey (20:02:53): haha okay so now we know it was a misunderstanding. move along folks, nothing to see here.
spies6Georgia (20:03:5): So you two talked about Jaya in your chat?
spies6Roxy (20:03:8): i dont believe jaya was brought up in the conversation>
spies6Roxy (20:03:9): no.
spies6Roxy (20:03:17): maybe ariel talked about voting for jaya?
spies6Roxy (20:03:24): do you have a record of the chat?
spies6Ariel (20:03:28): I talked to lots of people about voting for Jaya.
spies6rey (20:03:29): in the exile chat, no.
spies6Kirsten (20:03:30): I thought this was a chat that happened prior to exile
spies6Roxy (20:03:37): it did.
spies6Ariel (20:03:38): I find it hard to believe I didn't talk to you, but I suppose it's possible.
spies6Georgia (20:03:40): It was.
spies6Ariel (20:03:40): It was, Kirsten.
spies6Kirsten (20:03:43): ok
spies6Kirsten (20:03:46): so...
spies6Roxy (20:03:49): we did talk. at that time.
spies6Roxy (20:03:56): because i was away
spies6Kirsten (20:04:2): was the talk at that time about Jaya?
spies6Georgia (20:04:5): So bringing up the live exile chat, isn't entirely relevant to the question at hand.
spies6Roxy (20:04:10): no it was about Pete.
spies6Roxy (20:04:17): not about jaya/
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spies6Roxy (20:08:57): um ariel....
spies6Ariel (20:09:39): Yes?
spies6Roxy (20:09:50): so do you have the conversation?
spies6Roxy (20:09:51): o.o
spies6Ariel (20:10:12): Probably not. I left for vacation, like, the day after. I'll check though.
spies6Roxy (20:10:21): ok.
spies6Ariel (20:11:3): Nope. I had meant to save all those pre-exile conversations, but I didn't get to. That's why I had to wait so long to get my case on Rey up.
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spies6Roxy (20:14:4): anyways i think its safe to say JAYA DID NOT COME UP
spies6Roxy (20:14:13): and it was a miscommunication on Ariel's part.
spies6Georgia (20:14:36): Yeah. It is kind of annoying seeing it frequently these days.. "don't have them saved".
spies6Ariel (20:14:46): Roxy, why are you so paranoid about being considered suspicious of Jaya anyway?
spies6Roxy (20:15:17): because i voted for georgia and i dont want people to think i was ready to hop on a bandwagon.
spies6Georgia (20:15:20): If Jaya never came up in the conversation, but Pete did. Then why would you assume she was changing her + vote to Jaya?
spies6Roxy (20:15:28): when i posted no suspicion about jaya.
spies6Roxy (20:15:37): exactly georgia.
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spies6Ariel (20:15:48): Because of all the other conversations I was having about Jaya at the exact same time.
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spies6Georgia (20:17:48): So you got confused because of numerous other conversations regarding Jaya?
spies6Kirsten (20:17:56): Roxy, stop. You popping his ass is fantasy of his
spies6Georgia (20:17:59): Which led you to believe she was changing her vote to Jaya?
spies6Ariel (20:18:4): Yes.
spies6levi (20:18:5): ROFL KIRSTEN
spies6Georgia (20:18:24): Okay, so when you saw her vote for me. Did either you or Thor question why she didn't change it to Jaya?
spies6Roxy (20:18:27): actually i belive thats boris.
spies6Roxy (20:18:36): o.o
spies6Ariel (20:19:6): I already answered that; I saw Roxy saying that she had changed her vote and assumed she meant her plus vote. I see later she mentioned her neg vote specifically, but I was tallying votes and must have missed it.
spies6Georgia (20:19:41): So she went from + jaya to + georgia?
spies6Georgia (20:20:10): well she went from + whoknows to + jaya to + georgia?
spies6Ariel (20:20:12): No, I assumed she went from +Georgia to +Jaya, and Sam missed her change.
spies6Georgia (20:22:53): Did you talk to thor about it during the live exile?
spies6Roxy (20:23:12): well i was never confronted with it.
spies6Ariel (20:23:41): I don't remember, but I don't think so. Thor had to leave just before Exile and I don't remember if we spoke after that.
spies6Kirsten (20:24:9): Judge Sam (10:26:51 PM): +Georgia, by Roxy
spies6levi (10:26:55 PM): 1 Georgia
Judge Sam (10:27:00 PM): -Georgia, by Donald.
spies6Jenya (10:27:03 PM): Nice math there Levi\
spies6Ariel (10:27:04 PM): Another goose egg.
spies6Georgia (20:24:17): spies6thor (16:13:47): i did, during the exile, when i saw it, to ariel. that was near the beginning.
spies6Georgia (20:24:24): Is what Thor had to say about it.
spies6Ariel (20:24:46): Right.
spies6Georgia (20:25:4): If he had to leave right before exile, then how was he around to see Roxy's + georgia vote?
spies6Roxy (20:25:8): i find it odd that i was never asked...
spies6Roxy (20:25:32): and yeah doesnt make sense.
spies6Kirsten (20:25:50): ariel, if you expected roxy to vote jaya, why didn't you seem surprised at all when her vote was revealed to be on georgia
spies6Ariel (20:25:59): spies6thor (9:54:48 PM): shit and rey has the tiebreaker.
spies6Ariel (9:55:26 PM): Omigod you're right.
spies6Ariel (9:55:29 PM): Damn Boris!
spies6thor (9:55:57 PM): if i disappear in five minutes, don't be surprised, i'll be right back.
spies6Ariel (9:56:05 PM): Okay.
spies6thor (9:57:02 PM): if you're not a citizen i'm the fucking pope.
spies6Ariel (9:57:21 PM): XD
spies6Roxy (20:26:41): why didnt you confront me then?
spies6Kirsten (20:26:56): tallying votes? Surely you at least look at the names of people voting?
spies6Ariel (20:27:1): For the third time, I thought Sam had missed your vote change from Georgia to Jaya, and posted the wrong one.
spies6Ariel (20:27:13): Okay. Kirsten. Georgia. Roxy. Why am I being attacked here?
spies6Roxy (20:27:23): because it looks odd.
spies6Georgia (20:27:36): I'm trying to find out what happened, because there seems to be a different side from each person.
spies6Kirsten (20:27:43): because it looks odd
spies6Georgia (20:27:52): Thor said one thing. Then he elaborated. Roxy says a different side. You say a different side.
spies6Georgia (20:28:5): There are too many differences for one situation.
spies6Roxy (20:29:21): and so far your reasoning is kind off...inadequate.
spies6Roxy (20:29:24): of*
spies6Ariel (20:29:48): Because I didn't confront you after your vote was revealed to be for Georgia?
spies6Ariel (20:29:53): So what? I've explained that four times now.
spies6Georgia (20:30:23): When it got to roxy's + vote for me, it was the third vote tallied.
spies6Ariel (20:30:52): It's not as if I was keeping track of who the votes were coming from. I was keeping track of who they were for, and Sam was going fast.
spies6Kirsten (20:31:9): it's not just that Ariel. It's the combination of you assuming Roxy was going to vote Jaya when you two didn't actually discuss it with her, and then your lack of surprise when she didn't actually vote Jaya.
spies6Ariel (20:31:19): Kirsten.
spies6Ariel (20:31:20): Again.
spies6Ariel (20:31:43): At that time, I thought she had voted Jaya, and Sam just missed her change.
spies6Ariel (20:31:53): I figured Sam would fix it in the end tally, so I didn't say anything.
spies6Kirsten (20:32:5): wrong
spies6Ariel (20:32:7): One of the guys - it was either Levi or Pete, I think - said the same thing.
spies6Kirsten (20:32:8): sorry
spies6Kirsten (20:32:19): Roxy didn't explain that she changed her vote until afterward
spies6Ariel (20:33:26): Yeah, less than a minute and a half afterward.
spies6Roxy (20:33:29): spies6Roxy (10:30:51 PM): And I minused Pete
spies6Ariel (20:33:33): Check the time stamps.
spies6Roxy (20:33:35): i explained it there.
spies6Roxy (20:33:55): so i did state it.
spies6Ariel (20:34:4): Yes, you did. I never said you didn't.
spies6Ariel (20:34:13): I said I didn't see you state it.
spies6Roxy (20:34:14): spies6donald (10:30:41 PM): He's savin me for last
spies6thor (10:30:42 PM): sam, i minused pete. not roxy.
Judge Sam (10:30:45 PM): +Jaya, by Ariel.
spies6donald (10:30:45 PM): I'm being exiled
spies6Roxy (10:30:51 PM): And I minused Pete
spies6Roxy (20:34:24): then why did you assume that sam tallied wrong?
spies6Roxy (20:34:40): that would mean i DIDNT change my vote for jaya.........
spies6Roxy (20:34:47): to jaya*
spies6Kirsten (20:35:0): it doesn't matter if it happened 15 seconds afterward. The point is you said you weren't surprised because you thought her vote was changed and it hadn't been fixed, but yet that conversation didn't happen yet.
spies6Ariel (20:35:4): Look, if this is turning into a witch hunt on me because I didn't read every single little line of text in a chat room with twenty-odd people in it, fine. Exile me. I'm guilty.
spies6Roxy (20:35:32): this isnt a witch hunt babe.
spies6Roxy (20:35:45): we were just asking you to explain something that looked weird.
spies6Ariel (20:35:56): Except it had, Kirsten, because I hadn't looking at the chat room for that span of time.
spies6Roxy (20:36:7): if thats how you feel then there is obviously there is something wrong.
spies6Kirsten (20:36:29): Judge Sam (10:26:51 PM): +Georgia, by Roxy
spies6levi (10:26:55 PM): 1 Georgia
Judge Sam (10:27:00 PM): -Georgia, by Donald.
spies6Jenya (10:27:03 PM): Nice math there Levi\
spies6Ariel (10:27:04 PM): Another goose egg.
spies6Kirsten (20:36:34): spies6Ariel (10:27:04 PM): Another goose egg.
spies6Ariel (20:36:45): Yes, Kirsten.
spies6Kirsten (20:36:48): you typed in the chat during that period
spies6Ariel (20:36:49): And right after that I went away.
spies6Ariel (20:37:5): I didn't notice that the +Georgia was Roxy's vote, I was busy typing it in Notepad.
spies6Ariel (20:37:19): All I noticed was, "Hey, there's a plus and minus for Georgia."
spies6Georgia (20:37:43): spies6Ariel (20:26:40): Another goose egg.
spies6levi (20:26:40): 0 Votes
Sorin the Seeker (20:26:41): -Gerogia, by Jaya.
spies6mirela (20:26:42): what the hell
spies6Ariel (20:26:43): -1.
Sorin the Seeker (20:26:45): -1 for Georgia.
spies6levi (20:26:49): -1 Georgia
Sorin the Seeker (20:26:55): -Thor by Pete
spies6Boris (20:26:57): i am here, but not here
Sorin the Seeker (20:27:0): -Thor by Roxy
spies6levi (20:27:5): -1 Georgia -2 Thor
spies6Ariel (20:27:6): -1 for Georgia, -2 for Thor.
spies6Georgia (20:38:1): You kep up the vote tally after the goose egg comment.
spies6Ed (20:38:9): I'm coming in late here, but why would Ariel try to lie about who she thought Roxy was voting for?
spies6Ariel (20:38:12): Yes, and?
spies6Kirsten (20:38:31): because it was a close exile on a spy?
spies6Ed (20:39:34): Wouldn't it benefit Roxy to have people think that she wanted to vote out a spy?
spies6Roxy (20:39:41): no
spies6Roxy (20:39:50): because it would make me look like i joined the bandwagon.
spies6Roxy (20:40:2): without any reasoning.
spies6Kirsten (20:40:9): Ed, basically, Thor and Ariel went around trying to rally people to vote Jaya
spies6Georgia (20:40:21): That isn't really the point I was after.
spies6Roxy (20:40:42): what point were you after?
spies6Georgia (20:41:41): Mostly that you were going to vote for Jaya, then didn't. And weren't questioned about it.
spies6Georgia (20:41:45): Wow Deja Vu.
spies6Georgia (20:42:9): Then it just kind of continue to develop from there.
spies6Roxy (20:42:11): yeah well obviously i wasnt
spies6Kirsten (20:42:23): Ariel: Who else did you talk to about voting Jaya?
spies6Roxy (20:42:58): yeah but if she was trying to rally the votes for a spy...isnt that kind of citizen like?
spies6Ariel (20:43:33): Thor. Tiberius. Yvette. I thought I talked to Roxy, but apparently I didn't.
spies6Ariel (20:43:43): I finally got my case up, by the way. No thanks to you guys.
spies6Georgia (20:45:11): Look at it from this point of view. They were under the impression that you were voting for Jaya, and you didn't. Jaya turns out spy. Since they thought you were voting for her, shouldn't they be suspicious that you didn't vote for someone whom turned out to be a spy?
spies6Roxy (20:46:46): are you attacking me now, Georgia?
spies6Georgia (20:46:56): Yet apparently there was never any questioning involved. Whether because of confusion, or because the vote tally person listed you as actually voting for Jaya. Who knows. It seems hard to get a straigth answer.
spies6Georgia (20:47:2): You are missing the point Roxy.
spies6Kirsten (20:47:9): she's not attacking you
spies6Kirsten (20:47:18): at least not directly
spies6Roxy (20:47:20): mkay then.
spies6Roxy (20:47:24): it sounded like it.
spies6Roxy (20:48:3): id be more suspcious of someone who joined the bandwagon then someone who voted on their own suspicion
spies6Georgia (20:48:54): Under the impressions and possible mis-informations. you were supposedly voting for Jaya. Yet you didn't. Jaya turns out spy. The people whom thought you were voting for Jaya, shouldn't they be wondering "why didn't she vote for Jaya when she said she was? Jaya turned out spy. Is she a spy, and didn't want to vote for her mate?"
spies6Georgia (20:49:37): Yet apparently it never happened. Which on its own, is odd. But since that apparently never happened...
spies6Roxy (20:49:42): they wouldnt if they were spies themselves.
spies6Ariel (20:50:3): That... doesn't make any sense.
spies6Georgia (20:51:49): Hopefully when Thor gets back, he can actually post the conversation.
spies6Roxy (20:52:1): him and ariels conversation>
spies6Ariel (20:52:8): I can post the conversation I had with him.
spies6Ariel (20:52:11): He sent it to me.
spies6Ariel (20:52:15): I used parts of it in my Rey case.
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Post by Georgia on Jun 7, 2009 3:12:10 GMT -5
I still need to add a bit from Khaled's post Episode Post, and add commentary, and highlight the more important bits. Just weeding out the relative parts from the Group chat, still leaves a bunch. I also need to re-read it. As some parts weren't really making sense when Ariel was speaking/explaining. No one seems to be logging their chats, which I find complete bullshit. There is not much factual evidence because of this - so discrepancies from all sides. Which makes it even more confusing, odd, and suspicious.
I'm not sure if some got the point I was originally trying to make.
If a group of people decide to vote and exile Person A, and one of them doesn't do it. And Person A turns out to be a Spy, to me it is logical that they would question the person whom didn't follow through on it. But apparently, that doesn't seem to be coming across, or an issue.
I commented to Kirsten, that I hadn't noticed - the part about Roxy not debunking Thor's statement that she voted for Jaya. Kirsten said that Roxy is not the most observant. No, no she is not. Nor the most thoughtful.
To me, it seems like I'm missing something. Something obvious. A clear head after work, should help.
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Post by Judge Sam on Jun 7, 2009 4:48:04 GMT -5
this is really cool I enjoyed reading it.  one thing though, at least from my perspective. A friend makes that voting graph for me. I don't know why he put Roxy as giving a + vote to Jaya in Exile #2. I don't have any records of that anywhere. I'm guessing that's a mistake - he also put down Iris voting for Callahan in Exile #1. The mixup I think was with Roxy's minus vote. I said it was -Thor, when in reality it was -Pete. That was my mistake. I also made that mistake again when I posted the official voting tally. To make it worse, I asked my person to correct it on the graph, but I gave him the wrong correction on my mistake lol. Do you think I need to announce this somewhere? None of the plus vote stuff had anything to do with Roxy haha. |
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Post by Georgia on Jun 7, 2009 17:17:05 GMT -5
If you want, but I don't know if there is a need for it.
It seems I'm the only one really concerned about it.
But mostly, that is because of the lack of facts due to Thor, Ariel, and Roxy "not logging chats".
BULL SHIT.
xD
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Post by Georgia on Jun 21, 2009 1:28:42 GMT -5
I don't know whether or not there is much of anything left to delve into, regarding this.
However I still find the whole situation suspect. S U S P E C T.
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Post by Georgia on Jun 21, 2009 19:11:38 GMT -5
HA! HA!
Caught you BOTH in a lie!
Ariel just gave me a chat transcript? Regarding the conversation about the Jaya lynch/exile.
It is a mish-mash.
But HA!
I'm pretty sure Ariel said SHE was the one who suggested that Roxy was + voting for Jaya. But is was THOR!
Does it mean anything? I don't know.
But the way Thor "wavered" on his vote, then said he "was one of those whom suspected Jaya from the beginning"... uh seriously dude?
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Post by Georgia on Jun 21, 2009 19:42:00 GMT -5
Some comments/reminders for when I compare to the information I received.
Thor uses Yvette's late addition to the Jaya lynch against her.
YET. HE desperately wanted her on it. Not necessarily because he thought Jaya was a spy. But because him and Ariel wanted to out maneuver Rey.
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