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Post by Kirsten on Jun 25, 2009 4:07:34 GMT -5
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Thor was a citizen. He was not actually a spy.
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Wow. It seemed so good.
Now apparently Jenya is leading a witch hunt on "super cits", a club that apparently I am a card carrying member of.
I thought I busted Ariel, but I was freaking off a day. Grrr...
I need to decide whether or not to use my imprisonment immunity.
If I die without using it, that would be a terrible waste, but I don't think I'm going to die this episode because of the crusade against super cit. I think I will save it
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 25, 2009 4:17:10 GMT -5
I think Rey has known people are citizens far too many times. Thor, for example, strikes me as exactly that. I showed him the chats between Thor/Iris, he agreed they were suspicious, but yet still considered Thor cit. Same thing with Ariel, etc.
Not entirely sure about Faith.
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Post by Judge Sam on Jun 25, 2009 12:20:58 GMT -5
could I ask you to severely tone down the past games discussion. barely anyone out of the 18 has played spies before... sometimes i think even if there were just two people who played spies 5 (an event that happened more than a year ago) it would still be plagued with old catchphrases. that 'fluff sarcastic' thing especially... you keep mentioning people in spies 5 and its like no one here really played that game so who cares? i'm more interested in talking about this game ya know. =) maybe 1 or 2 people know all these past characters you keep referencing but i think this game is interesting enough to stand on its own. thanks <3
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 25, 2009 14:50:35 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that's the first time I've mentioned anything relating to spies5. I think most of the players in this game believe me to be a new player.
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 26, 2009 5:57:16 GMT -5
Ugh...when is imprisonment.
To use my immunity or not to use it: That is the question. Whether tis worthwhile in this episode to risk it The bars of imprisonment would be outrageous fortune Or to take safety in the arms of immunity, And by choosing not to? To die: to post; No more;
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 26, 2009 6:03:39 GMT -5
URGGGGHGHLYLYHLGLHY
I really don't know whether to use my damn immunity or not. I think the spies want to hold off on imprisoning me because of the super cit hunt down. So maybe I can escape this episode, and then use it in the next episode, and last until at least episode 10.
That would be wonderful.
Or I just get my sweet ass imprisoned this time around and the spies laugh hysterically as I won imprisonment immunity but didn't use it.
FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm a risk taker, bitches. Going to sit this one out and dare the spies to imprison my ass, cause it's the last chance they get until Ep. 10.
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 27, 2009 5:30:33 GMT -5
I'm also going to sit this one out because I missed the deadline! Yeah...
Now I'm just praying I survive this imprisonment. Please do not kill me off. Please do not kill me off. Darla will be behind a Carly lynch. Please do not kill me off. Please do not kill me off!
MAYBE I CAN GET IRIS TO GIVE THE GIFT OF CONFESSIONAL READING TO A SPY BUDDY OF HERS AND THEY CAN READ THIS POST FROM MY CONFESSIONAL AND GET THE IDEA THAT THEY SHOULDN'T KILL ME OFF. THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.
OH WAIT...IRIS IS DEAD.
So please don't kill me off?
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 27, 2009 6:05:34 GMT -5
I'm definitely thinking Rey is a spy now, which is funny, because I defended him thoroughly today to both Ariel and Jenya.
He was real shady about the way he went about catching Iris in her confessional lie. Wouldn't talk to anyone else, wouldn't tell Jenya who he was talking to, and then a couple minutes later his "bust Iris" chat began. Spending some time setting up exactly what they were going to say mmm?
I also think Mr. Khaled Zeppelin is also of the spy persuasion. Jenya raises some pretty damn good points about him, and now that my Thor Theory has been shattered into many fragments I can go back to suspecting Khaled with a small but non-trivial semblance of ferver!
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 27, 2009 19:04:39 GMT -5
Two hours and six minutes...till the oppressive weight of imprisonment crashes down on someone.
I'm pretty sure Jenya is going to get the axe this time around. I'm going to lay low until it happens (Sorry, Jenya!) and then I'm going to rally behind a Rey exile.
If he is a citizen, he deserves to be lynched for lying directly to my face and then refusing to tell the truth.
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 27, 2009 22:23:00 GMT -5
WOW. Oswald? I guess the only real explanation is that he had a powerful role or something. I seriously cannot fathom why the spies would imprison someone who had no clue about the game at all. Wowza. Maybe they'll imprison Gretchen or Pete next
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 29, 2009 2:33:21 GMT -5
In the "Are you a good liar?" Thread Rey graced us with the following: I think that when needed, I can hide when I am not telling the truth.
Although most times it quite easy to see since I just avoid the question, or change the subject. Kind of reminds me of a chat the two of us had: I suggest that Rey is lying to me about the Spies Viewer ordeal: spies6rey (11:44:27 PM): listen, your argument is flawed. spies6rey (11:44:29 PM): wait, spies6rey (11:44:35 PM): ... spies6rey (11:44:39 PM): i can't deal with this. spies6Kirsten (11:44:40 PM): explain away spies6Kirsten (11:45:07 PM): is it difficult to deal with getting caught for lying? spies6rey (11:47:56 PM): i'm not lying. spies6Kirsten (11:48:19 PM): I have to drive my sister to the airport spies6Kirsten (11:48:28 PM): you have 2 hours to figure out how to explain your way out of it :-) spies6rey (11:48:33 PM): i'm not going to. spies6rey (11:48:37 PM): i'm done explaining to you. He was done explaining to me. Looks like it's quite easy to see he was lying, since he just avoided the question or changed the subject. ---------------------------------- Iris: Episode 1 stance on Khaled Khaled - Posted yesterday but hasn't participated much if at all in live chat. This makes me mildly suspicious of Spy lurking as opposed to genuine lurking. If he shows up before Exile and contributes, my mind will probably change. ---------------------------------- Gabriela kicking some serious ass episode 1! spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg90999&action=display&thread=625&page=2#2072---------------------------------- Donald's stance on the always jolly and fat Gretchen: Gretchen - Very inactive. I popped online today just before she logged off, so I still didn't get to chat with her. She's on my suspicions list pretty much just for lack of activity. Hopefully I'll get to talk with her before Exile though and learn more about her.
Gretchen's stance on the always dirty Donald: Donald: Only quickly got to speak with him this morning. He is another I am looking forward to getting to know better. Cit vibe more than Spy currently coming from him.So...Donald didn't have the chance to chat with Gretchen, but she chatted with him briefly? Yikes! spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg90999&action=display&thread=637&page=2#2075---------------------------------- Rey: If someone that I think is likely a citizen is getting a large amount of votes, I will use my negative vote to try to prevent their exile. I'm pretty sure that's how i'm using my negative vote this round.spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg90999&action=display&thread=769#3624NeutralGeorgia William Donald Ed GretchenRoxy spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg90999&action=display&thread=897&page=1#3055GRETCHEN (+3): +1 Ed, +1 Kirsten, +1 William, +1 Donald, -1 ReyYikes! ------------------------------------
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 29, 2009 3:04:18 GMT -5
I'm thinking the last 3 are that rampant douchebag Rey, the coldly logical Khaled, and the Jolly and Fat Gretchen. Far cry from my suspicions last episode of: Thor/Amelia/Boris. Far cry from my episode 5 suspicions of: Faith, William, Ariel, Ed. Going 0/3 or 0/4 sucks a lot. Anyway, I think I'm right this time around (although if history is any indication, I'm horribly wrong ). Gretchen was just kind of a stroke of: AHA! I can't even remember what triggered it. Perhaps it was Rey saying that he wanted to exile Gretchen over some comment made in a different game. Perhaps it was my realization that Rey wasn't trying to save Jaya from exile, he was trying to save Gretchen.
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 29, 2009 3:39:03 GMT -5
There's something that should be noted about Rey. He HAS to be right about everything. In fact, I think if he wasn't so ridiculously egotistical he would have been a better spy. Rey was right about Faith. He was right about Thor. He flip flopped on William just so he could be right about William when he got imprisoned. Where am I going with this? Rey defends actual citizens too strongly. Rey can be too overcritical of his spy buddies. Gretchen says: Personally, I find it annoying when people from other teams make comments on my team mates and their supposed actions Tiberius. That's what a confessional is for. I am very simply saying (perhaps a little grumpily though - blame Ed as he kept me up all night) that I don't think that Thor's "issue" with myself or anyone else being sure of Callahan being a Cit is a point of contention here. The end.Rey says: Gretchen, you have a problem with people commenting on your team mates?Way too overcritical. Gretchen's original comment was innocuous, and Rey, knowing full well she was a spy jumped on it too hard. spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg90999&action=display&thread=897&page=3Gretchen's posts there strike me as the kind of posts from a good mafia player. When has Gretchen done anything else? She's hiding behind her character. ------------------------------------- spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg90999&action=display&thread=1076#5558Rey: Also, Ariel was the one that led the Jaya exile, not Yvette. Yvette clearly states that somewhere in the Burg. Was this stated in burg, or did Rey know via spy buddies? -------------------------------------- Rey: Kirsten does bring up a strong defense of Yvette. That, however, is not suspicious at all. If a player disagrees with an argument then they should by all means speak up. I think Kirsten's points of defense are valid, and I will probably not vote Yvette without allowing her to defend herself. Or, you just will. -------------------------------------- Rey: I think that both Kirsten and Donald are citizens right now just by their annoying useless bickering.Dismisses case on Donald without providing an opinion. -------------------------------------- spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg90999&action=display&thread=1156&page=1Rey: You mean who will they imprison ? I agree with you though .Comments on Gretchen's "who will be imprisoned" post. Doesn't oppose the idea of discussing it. Later, a few people suggest it's a bad idea to discuss it and Rey chimes in: Let's not give the spies ideas on who to take out.. Where was that before? ---------------------------------------- I post a solid defense that you can't seem to break, and all you have to say is that I have no manners? Your entire response to my rebuttal of your arguments is ad hom and emotional pleas.
Please let it be known that I do not suspect Ariel in any way, and I do not endorse voting her. Spies beware!Ariel is probably a citizen. Rey would suspect her somewhat if she was his spy buddy. -------------------------------------- Please keep in mind that Gretchen has posted no content at all this round, and does not appear to be scum hunting. I still haven't decided on a vote, but it's leaning to her.More hypercritical of Gretchen. The lurking/no content could just as well apply to others as well. -------------------------------------- spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg90999&action=display&thread=1156&page=3#6892Get's nervous when Georgia calls his attack on Gretchen "busing" -------------------------------------- spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg90999&action=display&thread=1156&page=4#6943Randomly calls out Khaled. More busing. Notice how he's milking suspicion on two spies for weakish reasons, while keeping his vote on Mirela, the citizen. -------------------------------------- It's interesting to note that both Mei Yun and Gabriela had slight suspicions of Iris before they were imprisoned. It's also weird that the spies aren't imprisoning the targets that I would expect. Although I may or may not know some reasons why.Hypercritical of his scum buddy. And being obvious about knowing someone who can protect from imprisonment. He really wanted to release that information publicly.
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Post by Kirsten on Jul 2, 2009 0:41:02 GMT -5
Damn. The spies really aren't hiding anything. I laughed out loud at all 3 of them pushing Rey for facilitator. Those 3 threads pretty much cemented my belief that Gretchen is a spy. The spies really, really wanted Rey to be the facilitator. Probably so he wouldn't get lynched. This consensus voting thing is going to be tough. 3 votes can say "no" and yet there are 3 spies. So...gonna be tough to exile a spy... Actually, Khaled isn't going to be present! Hooray. Also, I want to note that this was like the absolute worst time for a week long break. I'm bored out of my mind right now, as I'm living by myself and none of my friends are around . I need my spies fix. I need to inject pure spies into my veins. ----------------------------------------------- Sam, is there going to be any period where I can post game relevant stuff in the burg before this thing? I have a huge amount of information I want to dump, and it'll suck going into the exile knowing what I do now without having other people know. For example, people giving Gretchen the empath role, when I'm like 85% on her being a spy with Rey. If I could get that info out, it would be terrific. As long as the only spy position of power is Gretchen as Empath, we should be alright, though. I can't believe the spies were bold enough to all 3 push for Rey. haha.
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Post by Kirsten on Jul 2, 2009 0:45:39 GMT -5
Ugh, I guess that answer is no.
I guess I will have to facilitate, timekeep, and try to convince people to vote Rey at the same time.
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Post by Judge Sam on Jul 2, 2009 1:20:54 GMT -5
during the meeting you can post stuff in the Burg if you like. sorry about the week off not working well with you. =/ i've never really done this much of a break before except like once during christmas break. a bunch of people were gone and this live consensus deal is really cool I wanted to do it now. I've had the idea forever and a half! If you are going to be the facilitator you may want to re-read the awesome explanation post a few times just to cement it all. i've read it about eight times it's just as fun every time!
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Post by Judge Sam on Jul 2, 2009 1:22:03 GMT -5
btw i'm reading your posts in the mafiascum spies 6 thread, very convincing you sneaky one! =D I'm also pleasantly surprised you are still in the game after taking your leadership role let's hope it continues.
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Post by Kirsten on Jul 2, 2009 1:35:09 GMT -5
during the meeting you can post stuff in the Burg if you like. sorry about the week off not working well with you. =/ i've never really done this much of a break before except like once during christmas break. a bunch of people were gone and this live consensus deal is really cool I wanted to do it now. I've had the idea forever and a half! If you are going to be the facilitator you may want to re-read the awesome explanation post a few times just to cement it all. i've read it about eight times it's just as fun every time! The 6th time wasn't all that fun. But the 7th brought it back around. Anyway, I've read it a few times. I'll make sure I understand the role fully before tomorrow. btw i'm reading your posts in the mafiascum spies 6 thread, very convincing you sneaky one! =D Hehe. I think I pulled off the "Damn, I didn't know the game began!" approach pretty well. I'm also pleasantly surprised you are still in the game after taking your leadership role let's hope it continues. I am pleasantly surprised myself. Although I think the reason is that I've had a couple spies on my citizen list for a while now. That should change on the order of...soonish. And I still have that imprisonment immunity, so even if the spies want me out, they'll have to contend with me for another episode at least!
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Post by Kirsten on Jul 2, 2009 1:37:39 GMT -5
I'll like the live consensus thing a lot if people elect me the facilitator! Mmm...positions of power.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. And I'm absolutely thrilled to have the opportunity to be corrupted by it!
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Post by Judge Sam on Jul 2, 2009 1:42:54 GMT -5
i'm curious... what strategy do you think you would play as a spy? would it be similar to your play as otto and kirsten or something different? do you think you'd be able to search through reams of chats and posts looking for stuff that looks believable that others are spies for as long as you do presumably now?
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Post by Kirsten on Jul 2, 2009 2:19:38 GMT -5
i'm curious... what strategy do you think you would play as a spy? would it be similar to your play as otto and kirsten or something different? do you think you'd be able to search through reams of chats and posts looking for stuff that looks believable that others are spies for as long as you do presumably now? That is a good question. And to be honest, I don't actually know the answer to it. It's hard to say without having done it. My plan would be to play a similar game as I'm playing here, which is kind of just my playstyle for mafia in general (taking a leadership role, making cases), but it's hard to say how I would play without knowing first hand. I would think it would look similar to my play here, although probably less out in the open, less confident, less demanding. I dislike to bus scum buddies unless necessary. The problem with busing is that you throw away your scum buddy for confirmation purposes, but then you're down a scum buddy who can't help you push for mislynches, can't help manipulate citizens into doing the wrong thing, and you can always get caught through other means, anyway. I could bus 3 spies, and then slip up and get caught and exiled, and what have I accomplished? I threw away half my team and it didn't even pan out for me. I got away with defending 5 spies as Otto. I'm sure I could get away with it as an actual spy as well. The key is to have legitimate reasons to do so, and be confident. I think I would still search through posts and chats to dredge up suspicions on players, as I do now. I might not do it quite as much or quite as strongly, since I won't actually be believing any of it . The major difference is that I won't attempt to find reasons to clear people as citizens. Like here I might discover some interaction that points to X being a citizen and I'll point it out so X isn't an exile candidate. As a spy, I would just ignore it, and hope nobody else sees it.
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Post by Kirsten on Jul 2, 2009 6:37:15 GMT -5
Talk about annoying. The right mouse button on my mouse completely stopped working. I'll have to get another mouse today =/.
Anyway, going to start compiling information on Gretchen + Khaled + Rey.
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