Post by Khaled on May 21, 2009 21:08:18 GMT -5
spies6callahan (4:28:38 PM): voting for me tonight?
spies6Ariel (4:30:00 PM): Hello, Callahan.
spies6Ariel (4:30:22 PM): Yes, probably.
spies6callahan (4:30:27 PM): why is that?
spies6Ariel (4:30:56 PM): A few different reasons.
spies6callahan (4:31:05 PM): please elaborate
spies6Ariel (4:31:17 PM): For instance, I don't think I've ever seen you give an opinion that wasn't reactionary.
spies6callahan (4:31:28 PM): i haven't had a chance now have i?
spies6Ariel (4:31:37 PM): Haven't had a chance?
spies6callahan (4:31:41 PM): i've been under attack since day 2 or 3
spies6callahan (4:31:52 PM): i've been fully on the defense
spies6Ariel (4:31:53 PM): You've had just as long as the rest of us to show that you have opinions of your own.
spies6Ariel (4:32:09 PM): That in no way prevents you from stating your own unvarnished opinion.
spies6callahan (4:32:11 PM): not really, between work and family for the summer
spies6callahan (4:32:30 PM): I haven't had much of a chance at all really
spies6callahan (4:32:34 PM): nor have you asked
spies6callahan (4:32:51 PM): I've told plenty of people what i thought
spies6Ariel (4:32:54 PM): It isn't our job to ask, it's your job to make your opinions known.
spies6callahan (4:33:10 PM): you hardly make it easy enough to talk to you
spies6callahan (4:33:22 PM): you have an attitude
spies6callahan (4:33:26 PM): a prejudice
spies6Ariel (4:34:04 PM): Implying that it's my fault that you have failed to show a single original thought will get you nowhere.
spies6callahan (4:34:18 PM): when have i implied that its your fault?
spies6Ariel (4:34:28 PM):
spies6callahan (4:33:14 PM): you hardly make it easy enough to talk to you
spies6callahan (4:33:26 PM): you have an attitude
spies6callahan (4:33:30 PM): a prejudice
spies6Ariel (4:34:30 PM): Just now.
spies6callahan (4:34:47 PM): i'm saying, you're rubbing the dogs nose in piss when you never let it outside
spies6callahan (4:35:01 PM): i was never given the opportunity
spies6Ariel (4:35:27 PM): You have had three or four days of opportunity.
spies6Ariel (4:35:42 PM): No one has prevented you from posting your thoughts in the Burg or stating them in the chatroom.
spies6callahan (4:35:52 PM): i've been on defense
spies6callahan (4:35:58 PM): i've had to concentrate there
spies6callahan (4:36:14 PM): plus, no one is going to take me seriously right now anyways
spies6callahan (4:36:36 PM): and even, i only just last night finished talking to EVERYONE on the team
spies6callahan (4:36:51 PM): which is way after i came under fire
spies6Ariel (4:37:23 PM): Exactly. You talked to everyone, yet everyone I've talked to said that you were only too willing to follow along with what they had to say and not venture any thoughts of your own.
spies6callahan (4:37:53 PM): i asked questions first and stated what i thought after them
spies6callahan (4:38:00 PM): i don't know who the hell you talked to
spies6callahan (4:38:05 PM): but that is what i did
spies6callahan (4:38:14 PM): i did that with every single person too
spies6callahan (4:41:13 PM): what?
spies6callahan (4:41:23 PM): look, i think you aren't considering this enough
spies6Ariel (4:41:34 PM): Why's that?
spies6callahan (4:41:37 PM): you're taking peoples word for it instead of looking into things yourself
spies6Ariel (4:41:55 PM): Interesting. Now you're insinuating I don't have a brain to think for myself.
spies6callahan (4:42:04 PM): i think you're too worn out to care
spies6callahan (4:42:14 PM): its understandable, but its going to cost you as well
spies6callahan (4:48:54 PM): even if i did tell yvette to keep her case secret and robert to reveal his
spies6callahan (4:49:03 PM): what would a spy benefit from that?
spies6Ariel (4:49:16 PM): What would a citizen benefit from that?
spies6callahan (4:49:22 PM): nothing
spies6callahan (4:49:26 PM): *shrug*
spies6callahan (4:52:01 PM): i'm giving you fair warning that if you don't do something here you'll lose a citizen
spies6callahan (4:52:34 PM): i dont' have anything to provide other than solid analysis really
spies6callahan (4:52:40 PM): but you'll be losing that much
spies6Ariel (4:53:43 PM): Warning noted.
spies6callahan (4:53:58 PM): will you go after yvette if i am exiled and a citizen?
spies6callahan (4:54:11 PM): i really want your word on this
spies6Ariel (4:56:12 PM): I have a citizen read for Yvette, and she hasn't done anything to change that thus far.
spies6callahan (4:56:23 PM): If i am a citizen, will that change your look on yvette?
spies6callahan (4:56:33 PM): because honestly she's the driving force here
spies6callahan (4:56:37 PM): her and robert
spies6callahan (4:57:01 PM): please tell me you'll do this
spies6Ariel (4:59:08 PM): Why?
spies6Ariel (4:59:35 PM): If you turn out citizen, I may have another look at Yvette and Robert, but probably not the all-encompassing change of heart you're looking for.
spies6callahan (4:59:43 PM): because someone has to be accountable ariel, and usually after the first day exile everyone stands around with their thumbs up their asses
spies6callahan (4:59:50 PM): i want action
spies6callahan (5:00:27 PM): because my violations really prove nothing yet they've been exacerbated and blown out of proportion as things tend to be with them
spies6callahan (5:15:32 PM): if you couldn't vote me, who would you vote?
spies6Ariel (5:15:48 PM): Probably Mirela.
spies6callahan (5:16:02 PM): because you don't want to be a hypocrite
spies6callahan (5:16:15 PM): so that hasn't changed
spies6callahan (5:17:44 PM): I would vote for yvette if it was veasible
spies6callahan (5:17:54 PM): but there isn't really a way to exile her
spies6callahan (5:21:12 PM): do you not want to talk or something?
spies6Ariel (5:21:51 PM): I apologize, I'm talking in the middle of doing housework
spies6callahan (5:22:00 PM): i see
spies6callahan (5:30:50 PM): let me know when your done if you feel like talking
spies6callahan (5:05:37 PM): this is ridiculous
spies6Jenya (5:05:45 PM): Hello, father.
spies6Jenya (5:05:50 PM): I just read your final post.
spies6callahan (5:06:01 PM): pretty good summary i think
spies6Jenya (5:06:02 PM): Are you giving up already?
spies6callahan (5:06:47 PM): what else is there to do?
spies6callahan (5:06:51 PM): i'm getting steamrolled
spies6callahan (5:06:56 PM): its the small teams
spies6callahan (5:06:59 PM): bad luck
spies6callahan (5:07:16 PM): i don't even get a chance to defend myself and when someone defends for me they're instantly a spy
spies6callahan (5:07:26 PM): so i'd rather not bring innocent people down with me
spies6Jenya (5:07:39 PM): Hmm.
spies6Jenya (5:07:59 PM): Ariel said you were insulting her.
spies6callahan (5:08:04 PM): i never did that
spies6Jenya (5:08:06 PM): Really?
spies6callahan (5:08:09 PM): really
spies6Jenya (5:08:19 PM): Think she's a lying spy?
spies6callahan (5:08:23 PM): i respect her too much for that
spies6callahan (5:08:26 PM): no not really
spies6callahan (5:08:29 PM): well
spies6callahan (5:08:32 PM): could be
spies6Jenya (5:08:34 PM): spies6Ariel (2:49:47 PM): Callahan is at the moment trying to dissuade me with insults.
spies6callahan (5:08:40 PM): um...no
spies6callahan (5:08:57 PM): i will copy and paste the whole chat if you like
spies6Jenya (5:09:01 PM): Can you please post or PM me that chat with Ariel?
spies6Jenya (5:09:04 PM): Yeah.
spies6callahan (5:09:05 PM): sure
spies6Jenya (5:09:07 PM): That would be great.
spies6callahan (5:09:11 PM): i'll pm
spies6callahan (5:09:46 PM): sent
spies6callahan (5:09:48 PM): not very long
spies6callahan (5:10:03 PM): just me warning her and trying to get her to promise to go after yvette once i flip
spies6Jenya (5:11:37 PM): Mild insults, maybe. Saying she has an attitude or prejudice.
spies6Jenya (5:11:42 PM): And/or is a follower.
spies6callahan (5:11:46 PM): how is that an insult?
spies6callahan (5:11:49 PM): its true
spies6Jenya (5:11:52 PM): I think she fancies herself independent, most women do.
spies6callahan (5:11:56 PM): haha
spies6Jenya (5:12:21 PM): I think the best thing you can do is talk more reasonably with Ariel.
spies6callahan (5:12:39 PM): i can't, this person is so...closed i guess is how i'd say it
spies6Jenya (5:12:39 PM): After that chat I just read, it's unlikely she'll save you, but you never know.
spies6callahan (5:12:54 PM): she is so guarded against me
spies6Jenya (5:13:02 PM): Maybe ask her who her suspects are besides you?
spies6callahan (5:15:21 PM): i'll try that
spies6Jenya (5:18:07 PM): If she is a spy being willfully ignorant of points you make, you'll want to tell people that. But she might just be stubborn and not appreciateive of your perceived insults.
spies6callahan (5:19:33 PM): well even before this, she was very stand-offish
spies6callahan (5:19:49 PM): i'm thinking she works more closely to yvette and robert than she lets on
spies6callahan (5:21:19 PM): yeah she doesn't even reply to me
spies6callahan (5:21:24 PM): she's uwilling to talk
spies6Jenya (5:24:23 PM): She won't reply to me either, it's not just oy.u
spies6Jenya (5:24:32 PM): Robert is 99% certain you are a spy.
spies6callahan (5:24:33 PM): she's doing housework
spies6Jenya (5:24:41 PM): That's awfully high.
spies6callahan (5:24:43 PM): he's 99% cheese is from the moon too
spies6callahan (5:24:46 PM): he's an idiot
spies6Jenya (5:24:58 PM): Pretty much. Maybe he got lucky with you though.
spies6Jenya (5:25:06 PM): Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
spies6callahan (5:25:26 PM): only if its moving
spies6callahan (5:25:34 PM): well
spies6Jenya (5:25:37 PM): LOL.
spies6callahan (5:25:38 PM): not if its moving
spies6callahan (5:25:42 PM): lol
spies6Jenya (5:25:48 PM): If you are a citizen, I am so sorry you got screwed.
spies6callahan (5:25:54 PM): i just now got that expression acutally
spies6callahan (5:26:03 PM): well, i did get screwed
spies6callahan (5:26:11 PM): i just want something done about it afterward
spies6Jenya (5:26:23 PM): I'm all about nailing spies.
spies6Jenya (5:26:32 PM): So feel free to PM me or feed me info until you're out.
spies6Jenya (5:26:44 PM): I can always DELETE if you're a spy.
spies6callahan (5:26:47 PM): i'll feed you everything i can baby bird
spies6callahan (5:26:49 PM): haha
spies6callahan (5:27:03 PM): i'll try to send to two people too
spies6callahan (5:27:10 PM): so it doesn't "get lost" somewhere
spies6Jenya (5:27:39 PM): Oh, I'll make use of it regardless of your alignment.
spies6callahan (5:27:49 PM): i know ya will
spies6Jenya (5:27:59 PM): But yeah, might as well send. I'd suggest people to send it to but that would defeat the purpose.
spies6Jenya (5:28:19 PM): I see Jason and Gabriela as decently cittish.
spies6callahan (5:28:23 PM): you could use that even, see if it crops up anywhere else. If it does, you know that person is squeaky clean
spies6callahan (5:28:32 PM): if it dies, then they have reason to hide it
spies6Jenya (5:28:34 PM): Good point.
spies6Jenya (5:28:37 PM): Great point.
spies6callahan (5:28:39 PM): haha
spies6callahan (5:28:45 PM): well, shame i may be leaving
spies6Jenya (5:28:49 PM): The Father, finding spies from the grave.
spies6Jenya (5:29:07 PM): Seriously, Ariel seems to be your only hope now.
spies6callahan (5:29:37 PM): she's not going to give me the time of day
spies6callahan (5:29:42 PM): i need to do this myself
spies6Jenya (5:30:00 PM): Sure, but she'll have three people to choose from.
spies6Jenya (5:30:14 PM): You, Almathea and probably Donald/Kirsten/Mei Yun
spies6callahan (5:30:29 PM): hm
spies6Jenya (5:30:39 PM): So just be the least worst. But you won't do that by pissing her off. LOL.
spies6callahan (5:30:55 PM): yeah
spies6callahan (5:31:00 PM): well i naturally piss people off
spies6callahan (5:31:02 PM): look at thor
spies6Jenya (5:35:46 PM): Thor is a dick, pardon my language.
spies6callahan (5:35:49 PM): haha
spies6callahan (5:35:51 PM): pardoned
spies6Jenya (5:35:56 PM): I feel evil from Thor, Yvette and Robert.
spies6callahan (5:36:03 PM): who doesn't
spies6Jenya (5:36:18 PM): But I doubt all three are spies.
spies6Jenya (5:37:04 PM): That would make Ed, Faith, Mirela, Khaled, Iris all good guys.
spies6Jenya (5:37:08 PM): Probably.
spies6callahan (5:37:11 PM): yeah
spies6callahan (5:37:20 PM): well faith is probably going to vote me too
spies6Jenya (5:37:21 PM): And you have the small group.
spies6callahan (5:37:27 PM): but i'll talk to her
spies6Jenya (5:37:32 PM): So you only have ten so maybe only 2 spies.
spies6callahan (5:37:40 PM): i talked to ed
spies6callahan (5:37:44 PM): he said he'd think about it
spies6Jenya (5:41:16 PM): Actually, you guys really have to have 2 spies. not 4.
spies6Jenya (5:41:37 PM): Outside chance at 3, but then the other two groups would be 11 with only 2 spies.
spies6callahan (5:43:50 PM): well
spies6callahan (5:44:03 PM): its not how many spies that worries me, its how many will be manipulated.
spies6Jenya (5:46:37 PM): Lots.
spies6Jenya (5:46:46 PM): Who is manipulating?
spies6Jenya (5:46:50 PM): Who is a stupid cit?
spies6callahan (5:47:27 PM): well
spies6callahan (5:47:42 PM): thor seems to be coat tailing, but he actually does have his own ideas
spies6callahan (5:47:46 PM): he just doesn't want to share i think
spies6callahan (5:48:41 PM): manipulation award probably goes to robert
spies6Jenya (5:48:47 PM): Thor appears to be a good player hiding as a dufus.
spies6callahan (5:49:01 PM): he's just not a clean cut guy, he uses gurrila lynching tactics
spies6callahan (5:50:03 PM): note
spies6callahan (5:50:05 PM): for me
spies6callahan (5:50:44 PM): thor and ed tried to get me to stop acquiring votes for mirela because she wouldn't get the penalty votes.
spies6Jenya (5:51:51 PM): Hmm.
spies6callahan (5:35:37 PM): whats up thundergodf
spies6thor (5:36:07 PM): not very much. chewing grass, baaing occasionally.
spies6callahan (5:36:14 PM): very nice
spies6callahan (5:36:23 PM): so what i decided
spies6callahan (5:36:32 PM): is to shamelessly apologize for labeling
spies6callahan (5:36:41 PM): it would piss me off too
spies6callahan (5:36:55 PM): having said that, i understand if you still vote me, thats cool.
spies6thor (5:37:57 PM): i sent my vote yesterday night and i have no intention of changing it. my reasoning is not based on someone else's argument, it's based on my own observations. are some of those observatins based on threads yvette has posted? yes. that does not mean i have no seperate opinions.
spies6callahan (5:38:47 PM): yeah i agree
spies6callahan (5:38:50 PM): and plus
spies6callahan (5:38:58 PM): i've never taken into account that you were late in coming in
spies6callahan (5:39:12 PM): so of course you feel rushed to get an opinion as best as you can
spies6thor (5:40:11 PM): please refrain from telling me how i feel. my suspicion and subsequent vote for you was not rushed, or i would have waited until today to make it.
spies6callahan (5:40:36 PM): i'm not telling you how you feel, i'm telling you how i'd feel given your situation
spies6callahan (5:41:33 PM): yvette is going to eventually own up for what she's doing or keep tearing down the citizens, there is no doubt about that. But you're going to be seen as in her party.
spies6callahan (5:41:57 PM): just saying, if i go down and when i flip citizen, you take time to consider your options
spies6callahan (5:42:10 PM): i would hate to see you get trampled by association
spies6callahan (5:42:16 PM): because i really don't think you're a spy
spies6thor (5:42:23 PM): good to know.
spies6thor (5:43:03 PM): for the record i'm not certain of yvette's innocence. i feel she's trying to hard to be a leader.
spies6callahan (5:43:23 PM): its really not my call at this point, but i'd agree with you
spies6callahan (5:43:35 PM): if it were feasible, i'd be trying to get her exiled right now
spies6callahan (5:44:46 PM): i'm trying to get votes gathered for mirela; if i can get more votes on her than me, maybe i'll have another round to go and take down yvette by making a case
spies6callahan (5:45:07 PM): if not, hopefully someone else can do it while evoking this exile
spies6thor (5:45:11 PM): there's already six definite votes against you, as far as i know.
spies6callahan (5:45:25 PM): i can top it, but its a gamble
spies6callahan (5:45:47 PM): its really all i can do man
spies6thor (5:46:08 PM): there's eleven on our team, the most you could get is five. i'll definitely keep what you said in mind if you do in fact come up citizen, however.
spies6callahan (5:46:29 PM): penalty votes on mirela may occur
spies6thor (5:46:37 PM): perhaps.
spies6callahan (5:46:50 PM): if enough people vote her, then i could be saved
spies6callahan (5:47:19 PM): and if you decide to help that, i'd be grateful, but i don't expect you to. And thats fine.
spies6thor (5:47:52 PM): i don't intend to change my vote, as i said. regardless of this chat is still find you to be most suspicious.
spies6callahan (5:48:05 PM): thats to be expected
spies6callahan (5:48:14 PM): i would be really surprised if you changed
spies6rey (7:07:00 PM): cani hear your suspicions ?
spies6callahan (7:07:10 PM): i posted them i believe
spies6callahan (7:07:14 PM): good for you to ask though
spies6callahan (7:07:16 PM): i like that
spies6callahan (7:07:25 PM): Go for yvette robert and watch the shit out of ed
spies6callahan (7:07:28 PM): he's a sneaky one
spies6callahan (7:07:30 PM): slippery
spies6rey (7:07:48 PM): i have a feeling that you are a citizen.... but i'm not in your group or anything.
spies6rey (7:07:54 PM): so i don't feel like saying anything.
spies6callahan (7:08:01 PM): understandable
spies6callahan (7:08:10 PM): why stand in front of a train you can't stop?
spies6rey (7:08:14 PM): it's not as if i cna change anything ... yeah
spies6rey (7:08:22 PM): because half of them probably have their votes locked in.
spies6callahan (7:08:30 PM): yup
spies6callahan (7:08:38 PM): they all pretty much loaded their guns already
spies6rey (7:08:55 PM): so, you really think khaled is a citizen ?
spies6callahan (7:09:15 PM): as far as i can tell yes
spies6callahan (7:09:26 PM): everything he has done has reaffirmed this
spies6callahan (7:10:28 PM): anything else?
spies6rey (7:10:57 PM): you do realize that if you have a power you should tell ariel or something.. right ?
spies6rey (7:11:16 PM): you could potentially be screwing us over if you get exiled and you have a power that could help us later on in the game.
spies6rey (7:11:40 PM): i don't want the same thing to happen as last season- a player with a role was exiled first.
spies6callahan (7:11:56 PM): minds have been made up
spies6callahan (7:12:02 PM): if i did have one it wouldn't matter
spies6callahan (7:12:36 PM): if she wants to save me, yippy skippy, but i'll understand if she doesn't
spies6rey (7:13:03 PM): no offense but i think we will get more information if she doesn't save you.
spies6callahan (7:13:11 PM): i agree
spies6callahan (7:13:19 PM): which is why i've scattered so many seeds
spies6callahan (7:13:46 PM): at least one has to hit a spy, and the rate of 1:1 citizen to spy catches is very very good
spies6Ariel (4:30:00 PM): Hello, Callahan.
spies6Ariel (4:30:22 PM): Yes, probably.
spies6callahan (4:30:27 PM): why is that?
spies6Ariel (4:30:56 PM): A few different reasons.
spies6callahan (4:31:05 PM): please elaborate
spies6Ariel (4:31:17 PM): For instance, I don't think I've ever seen you give an opinion that wasn't reactionary.
spies6callahan (4:31:28 PM): i haven't had a chance now have i?
spies6Ariel (4:31:37 PM): Haven't had a chance?
spies6callahan (4:31:41 PM): i've been under attack since day 2 or 3
spies6callahan (4:31:52 PM): i've been fully on the defense
spies6Ariel (4:31:53 PM): You've had just as long as the rest of us to show that you have opinions of your own.
spies6Ariel (4:32:09 PM): That in no way prevents you from stating your own unvarnished opinion.
spies6callahan (4:32:11 PM): not really, between work and family for the summer
spies6callahan (4:32:30 PM): I haven't had much of a chance at all really
spies6callahan (4:32:34 PM): nor have you asked
spies6callahan (4:32:51 PM): I've told plenty of people what i thought
spies6Ariel (4:32:54 PM): It isn't our job to ask, it's your job to make your opinions known.
spies6callahan (4:33:10 PM): you hardly make it easy enough to talk to you
spies6callahan (4:33:22 PM): you have an attitude
spies6callahan (4:33:26 PM): a prejudice
spies6Ariel (4:34:04 PM): Implying that it's my fault that you have failed to show a single original thought will get you nowhere.
spies6callahan (4:34:18 PM): when have i implied that its your fault?
spies6Ariel (4:34:28 PM):
spies6callahan (4:33:14 PM): you hardly make it easy enough to talk to you
spies6callahan (4:33:26 PM): you have an attitude
spies6callahan (4:33:30 PM): a prejudice
spies6Ariel (4:34:30 PM): Just now.
spies6callahan (4:34:47 PM): i'm saying, you're rubbing the dogs nose in piss when you never let it outside
spies6callahan (4:35:01 PM): i was never given the opportunity
spies6Ariel (4:35:27 PM): You have had three or four days of opportunity.
spies6Ariel (4:35:42 PM): No one has prevented you from posting your thoughts in the Burg or stating them in the chatroom.
spies6callahan (4:35:52 PM): i've been on defense
spies6callahan (4:35:58 PM): i've had to concentrate there
spies6callahan (4:36:14 PM): plus, no one is going to take me seriously right now anyways
spies6callahan (4:36:36 PM): and even, i only just last night finished talking to EVERYONE on the team
spies6callahan (4:36:51 PM): which is way after i came under fire
spies6Ariel (4:37:23 PM): Exactly. You talked to everyone, yet everyone I've talked to said that you were only too willing to follow along with what they had to say and not venture any thoughts of your own.
spies6callahan (4:37:53 PM): i asked questions first and stated what i thought after them
spies6callahan (4:38:00 PM): i don't know who the hell you talked to
spies6callahan (4:38:05 PM): but that is what i did
spies6callahan (4:38:14 PM): i did that with every single person too
spies6callahan (4:41:13 PM): what?
spies6callahan (4:41:23 PM): look, i think you aren't considering this enough
spies6Ariel (4:41:34 PM): Why's that?
spies6callahan (4:41:37 PM): you're taking peoples word for it instead of looking into things yourself
spies6Ariel (4:41:55 PM): Interesting. Now you're insinuating I don't have a brain to think for myself.
spies6callahan (4:42:04 PM): i think you're too worn out to care
spies6callahan (4:42:14 PM): its understandable, but its going to cost you as well
spies6callahan (4:48:54 PM): even if i did tell yvette to keep her case secret and robert to reveal his
spies6callahan (4:49:03 PM): what would a spy benefit from that?
spies6Ariel (4:49:16 PM): What would a citizen benefit from that?
spies6callahan (4:49:22 PM): nothing
spies6callahan (4:49:26 PM): *shrug*
spies6callahan (4:52:01 PM): i'm giving you fair warning that if you don't do something here you'll lose a citizen
spies6callahan (4:52:34 PM): i dont' have anything to provide other than solid analysis really
spies6callahan (4:52:40 PM): but you'll be losing that much
spies6Ariel (4:53:43 PM): Warning noted.
spies6callahan (4:53:58 PM): will you go after yvette if i am exiled and a citizen?
spies6callahan (4:54:11 PM): i really want your word on this
spies6Ariel (4:56:12 PM): I have a citizen read for Yvette, and she hasn't done anything to change that thus far.
spies6callahan (4:56:23 PM): If i am a citizen, will that change your look on yvette?
spies6callahan (4:56:33 PM): because honestly she's the driving force here
spies6callahan (4:56:37 PM): her and robert
spies6callahan (4:57:01 PM): please tell me you'll do this
spies6Ariel (4:59:08 PM): Why?
spies6Ariel (4:59:35 PM): If you turn out citizen, I may have another look at Yvette and Robert, but probably not the all-encompassing change of heart you're looking for.
spies6callahan (4:59:43 PM): because someone has to be accountable ariel, and usually after the first day exile everyone stands around with their thumbs up their asses
spies6callahan (4:59:50 PM): i want action
spies6callahan (5:00:27 PM): because my violations really prove nothing yet they've been exacerbated and blown out of proportion as things tend to be with them
spies6callahan (5:15:32 PM): if you couldn't vote me, who would you vote?
spies6Ariel (5:15:48 PM): Probably Mirela.
spies6callahan (5:16:02 PM): because you don't want to be a hypocrite
spies6callahan (5:16:15 PM): so that hasn't changed
spies6callahan (5:17:44 PM): I would vote for yvette if it was veasible
spies6callahan (5:17:54 PM): but there isn't really a way to exile her
spies6callahan (5:21:12 PM): do you not want to talk or something?
spies6Ariel (5:21:51 PM): I apologize, I'm talking in the middle of doing housework
spies6callahan (5:22:00 PM): i see
spies6callahan (5:30:50 PM): let me know when your done if you feel like talking
spies6callahan (5:05:37 PM): this is ridiculous
spies6Jenya (5:05:45 PM): Hello, father.
spies6Jenya (5:05:50 PM): I just read your final post.
spies6callahan (5:06:01 PM): pretty good summary i think
spies6Jenya (5:06:02 PM): Are you giving up already?
spies6callahan (5:06:47 PM): what else is there to do?
spies6callahan (5:06:51 PM): i'm getting steamrolled
spies6callahan (5:06:56 PM): its the small teams
spies6callahan (5:06:59 PM): bad luck
spies6callahan (5:07:16 PM): i don't even get a chance to defend myself and when someone defends for me they're instantly a spy
spies6callahan (5:07:26 PM): so i'd rather not bring innocent people down with me
spies6Jenya (5:07:39 PM): Hmm.
spies6Jenya (5:07:59 PM): Ariel said you were insulting her.
spies6callahan (5:08:04 PM): i never did that
spies6Jenya (5:08:06 PM): Really?
spies6callahan (5:08:09 PM): really
spies6Jenya (5:08:19 PM): Think she's a lying spy?
spies6callahan (5:08:23 PM): i respect her too much for that
spies6callahan (5:08:26 PM): no not really
spies6callahan (5:08:29 PM): well
spies6callahan (5:08:32 PM): could be
spies6Jenya (5:08:34 PM): spies6Ariel (2:49:47 PM): Callahan is at the moment trying to dissuade me with insults.
spies6callahan (5:08:40 PM): um...no
spies6callahan (5:08:57 PM): i will copy and paste the whole chat if you like
spies6Jenya (5:09:01 PM): Can you please post or PM me that chat with Ariel?
spies6Jenya (5:09:04 PM): Yeah.
spies6callahan (5:09:05 PM): sure
spies6Jenya (5:09:07 PM): That would be great.
spies6callahan (5:09:11 PM): i'll pm
spies6callahan (5:09:46 PM): sent
spies6callahan (5:09:48 PM): not very long
spies6callahan (5:10:03 PM): just me warning her and trying to get her to promise to go after yvette once i flip
spies6Jenya (5:11:37 PM): Mild insults, maybe. Saying she has an attitude or prejudice.
spies6Jenya (5:11:42 PM): And/or is a follower.
spies6callahan (5:11:46 PM): how is that an insult?
spies6callahan (5:11:49 PM): its true
spies6Jenya (5:11:52 PM): I think she fancies herself independent, most women do.
spies6callahan (5:11:56 PM): haha
spies6Jenya (5:12:21 PM): I think the best thing you can do is talk more reasonably with Ariel.
spies6callahan (5:12:39 PM): i can't, this person is so...closed i guess is how i'd say it
spies6Jenya (5:12:39 PM): After that chat I just read, it's unlikely she'll save you, but you never know.
spies6callahan (5:12:54 PM): she is so guarded against me
spies6Jenya (5:13:02 PM): Maybe ask her who her suspects are besides you?
spies6callahan (5:15:21 PM): i'll try that
spies6Jenya (5:18:07 PM): If she is a spy being willfully ignorant of points you make, you'll want to tell people that. But she might just be stubborn and not appreciateive of your perceived insults.
spies6callahan (5:19:33 PM): well even before this, she was very stand-offish
spies6callahan (5:19:49 PM): i'm thinking she works more closely to yvette and robert than she lets on
spies6callahan (5:21:19 PM): yeah she doesn't even reply to me
spies6callahan (5:21:24 PM): she's uwilling to talk
spies6Jenya (5:24:23 PM): She won't reply to me either, it's not just oy.u
spies6Jenya (5:24:32 PM): Robert is 99% certain you are a spy.
spies6callahan (5:24:33 PM): she's doing housework
spies6Jenya (5:24:41 PM): That's awfully high.
spies6callahan (5:24:43 PM): he's 99% cheese is from the moon too
spies6callahan (5:24:46 PM): he's an idiot
spies6Jenya (5:24:58 PM): Pretty much. Maybe he got lucky with you though.
spies6Jenya (5:25:06 PM): Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
spies6callahan (5:25:26 PM): only if its moving
spies6callahan (5:25:34 PM): well
spies6Jenya (5:25:37 PM): LOL.
spies6callahan (5:25:38 PM): not if its moving
spies6callahan (5:25:42 PM): lol
spies6Jenya (5:25:48 PM): If you are a citizen, I am so sorry you got screwed.
spies6callahan (5:25:54 PM): i just now got that expression acutally
spies6callahan (5:26:03 PM): well, i did get screwed
spies6callahan (5:26:11 PM): i just want something done about it afterward
spies6Jenya (5:26:23 PM): I'm all about nailing spies.
spies6Jenya (5:26:32 PM): So feel free to PM me or feed me info until you're out.
spies6Jenya (5:26:44 PM): I can always DELETE if you're a spy.
spies6callahan (5:26:47 PM): i'll feed you everything i can baby bird
spies6callahan (5:26:49 PM): haha
spies6callahan (5:27:03 PM): i'll try to send to two people too
spies6callahan (5:27:10 PM): so it doesn't "get lost" somewhere
spies6Jenya (5:27:39 PM): Oh, I'll make use of it regardless of your alignment.
spies6callahan (5:27:49 PM): i know ya will
spies6Jenya (5:27:59 PM): But yeah, might as well send. I'd suggest people to send it to but that would defeat the purpose.
spies6Jenya (5:28:19 PM): I see Jason and Gabriela as decently cittish.
spies6callahan (5:28:23 PM): you could use that even, see if it crops up anywhere else. If it does, you know that person is squeaky clean
spies6callahan (5:28:32 PM): if it dies, then they have reason to hide it
spies6Jenya (5:28:34 PM): Good point.
spies6Jenya (5:28:37 PM): Great point.
spies6callahan (5:28:39 PM): haha
spies6callahan (5:28:45 PM): well, shame i may be leaving
spies6Jenya (5:28:49 PM): The Father, finding spies from the grave.
spies6Jenya (5:29:07 PM): Seriously, Ariel seems to be your only hope now.
spies6callahan (5:29:37 PM): she's not going to give me the time of day
spies6callahan (5:29:42 PM): i need to do this myself
spies6Jenya (5:30:00 PM): Sure, but she'll have three people to choose from.
spies6Jenya (5:30:14 PM): You, Almathea and probably Donald/Kirsten/Mei Yun
spies6callahan (5:30:29 PM): hm
spies6Jenya (5:30:39 PM): So just be the least worst. But you won't do that by pissing her off. LOL.
spies6callahan (5:30:55 PM): yeah
spies6callahan (5:31:00 PM): well i naturally piss people off
spies6callahan (5:31:02 PM): look at thor
spies6Jenya (5:35:46 PM): Thor is a dick, pardon my language.
spies6callahan (5:35:49 PM): haha
spies6callahan (5:35:51 PM): pardoned
spies6Jenya (5:35:56 PM): I feel evil from Thor, Yvette and Robert.
spies6callahan (5:36:03 PM): who doesn't
spies6Jenya (5:36:18 PM): But I doubt all three are spies.
spies6Jenya (5:37:04 PM): That would make Ed, Faith, Mirela, Khaled, Iris all good guys.
spies6Jenya (5:37:08 PM): Probably.
spies6callahan (5:37:11 PM): yeah
spies6callahan (5:37:20 PM): well faith is probably going to vote me too
spies6Jenya (5:37:21 PM): And you have the small group.
spies6callahan (5:37:27 PM): but i'll talk to her
spies6Jenya (5:37:32 PM): So you only have ten so maybe only 2 spies.
spies6callahan (5:37:40 PM): i talked to ed
spies6callahan (5:37:44 PM): he said he'd think about it
spies6Jenya (5:41:16 PM): Actually, you guys really have to have 2 spies. not 4.
spies6Jenya (5:41:37 PM): Outside chance at 3, but then the other two groups would be 11 with only 2 spies.
spies6callahan (5:43:50 PM): well
spies6callahan (5:44:03 PM): its not how many spies that worries me, its how many will be manipulated.
spies6Jenya (5:46:37 PM): Lots.
spies6Jenya (5:46:46 PM): Who is manipulating?
spies6Jenya (5:46:50 PM): Who is a stupid cit?
spies6callahan (5:47:27 PM): well
spies6callahan (5:47:42 PM): thor seems to be coat tailing, but he actually does have his own ideas
spies6callahan (5:47:46 PM): he just doesn't want to share i think
spies6callahan (5:48:41 PM): manipulation award probably goes to robert
spies6Jenya (5:48:47 PM): Thor appears to be a good player hiding as a dufus.
spies6callahan (5:49:01 PM): he's just not a clean cut guy, he uses gurrila lynching tactics
spies6callahan (5:50:03 PM): note
spies6callahan (5:50:05 PM): for me
spies6callahan (5:50:44 PM): thor and ed tried to get me to stop acquiring votes for mirela because she wouldn't get the penalty votes.
spies6Jenya (5:51:51 PM): Hmm.
spies6callahan (5:35:37 PM): whats up thundergodf
spies6thor (5:36:07 PM): not very much. chewing grass, baaing occasionally.
spies6callahan (5:36:14 PM): very nice
spies6callahan (5:36:23 PM): so what i decided
spies6callahan (5:36:32 PM): is to shamelessly apologize for labeling
spies6callahan (5:36:41 PM): it would piss me off too
spies6callahan (5:36:55 PM): having said that, i understand if you still vote me, thats cool.
spies6thor (5:37:57 PM): i sent my vote yesterday night and i have no intention of changing it. my reasoning is not based on someone else's argument, it's based on my own observations. are some of those observatins based on threads yvette has posted? yes. that does not mean i have no seperate opinions.
spies6callahan (5:38:47 PM): yeah i agree
spies6callahan (5:38:50 PM): and plus
spies6callahan (5:38:58 PM): i've never taken into account that you were late in coming in
spies6callahan (5:39:12 PM): so of course you feel rushed to get an opinion as best as you can
spies6thor (5:40:11 PM): please refrain from telling me how i feel. my suspicion and subsequent vote for you was not rushed, or i would have waited until today to make it.
spies6callahan (5:40:36 PM): i'm not telling you how you feel, i'm telling you how i'd feel given your situation
spies6callahan (5:41:33 PM): yvette is going to eventually own up for what she's doing or keep tearing down the citizens, there is no doubt about that. But you're going to be seen as in her party.
spies6callahan (5:41:57 PM): just saying, if i go down and when i flip citizen, you take time to consider your options
spies6callahan (5:42:10 PM): i would hate to see you get trampled by association
spies6callahan (5:42:16 PM): because i really don't think you're a spy
spies6thor (5:42:23 PM): good to know.
spies6thor (5:43:03 PM): for the record i'm not certain of yvette's innocence. i feel she's trying to hard to be a leader.
spies6callahan (5:43:23 PM): its really not my call at this point, but i'd agree with you
spies6callahan (5:43:35 PM): if it were feasible, i'd be trying to get her exiled right now
spies6callahan (5:44:46 PM): i'm trying to get votes gathered for mirela; if i can get more votes on her than me, maybe i'll have another round to go and take down yvette by making a case
spies6callahan (5:45:07 PM): if not, hopefully someone else can do it while evoking this exile
spies6thor (5:45:11 PM): there's already six definite votes against you, as far as i know.
spies6callahan (5:45:25 PM): i can top it, but its a gamble
spies6callahan (5:45:47 PM): its really all i can do man
spies6thor (5:46:08 PM): there's eleven on our team, the most you could get is five. i'll definitely keep what you said in mind if you do in fact come up citizen, however.
spies6callahan (5:46:29 PM): penalty votes on mirela may occur
spies6thor (5:46:37 PM): perhaps.
spies6callahan (5:46:50 PM): if enough people vote her, then i could be saved
spies6callahan (5:47:19 PM): and if you decide to help that, i'd be grateful, but i don't expect you to. And thats fine.
spies6thor (5:47:52 PM): i don't intend to change my vote, as i said. regardless of this chat is still find you to be most suspicious.
spies6callahan (5:48:05 PM): thats to be expected
spies6callahan (5:48:14 PM): i would be really surprised if you changed
spies6rey (7:07:00 PM): cani hear your suspicions ?
spies6callahan (7:07:10 PM): i posted them i believe
spies6callahan (7:07:14 PM): good for you to ask though
spies6callahan (7:07:16 PM): i like that
spies6callahan (7:07:25 PM): Go for yvette robert and watch the shit out of ed
spies6callahan (7:07:28 PM): he's a sneaky one
spies6callahan (7:07:30 PM): slippery
spies6rey (7:07:48 PM): i have a feeling that you are a citizen.... but i'm not in your group or anything.
spies6rey (7:07:54 PM): so i don't feel like saying anything.
spies6callahan (7:08:01 PM): understandable
spies6callahan (7:08:10 PM): why stand in front of a train you can't stop?
spies6rey (7:08:14 PM): it's not as if i cna change anything ... yeah
spies6rey (7:08:22 PM): because half of them probably have their votes locked in.
spies6callahan (7:08:30 PM): yup
spies6callahan (7:08:38 PM): they all pretty much loaded their guns already
spies6rey (7:08:55 PM): so, you really think khaled is a citizen ?
spies6callahan (7:09:15 PM): as far as i can tell yes
spies6callahan (7:09:26 PM): everything he has done has reaffirmed this
spies6callahan (7:10:28 PM): anything else?
spies6rey (7:10:57 PM): you do realize that if you have a power you should tell ariel or something.. right ?
spies6rey (7:11:16 PM): you could potentially be screwing us over if you get exiled and you have a power that could help us later on in the game.
spies6rey (7:11:40 PM): i don't want the same thing to happen as last season- a player with a role was exiled first.
spies6callahan (7:11:56 PM): minds have been made up
spies6callahan (7:12:02 PM): if i did have one it wouldn't matter
spies6callahan (7:12:36 PM): if she wants to save me, yippy skippy, but i'll understand if she doesn't
spies6rey (7:13:03 PM): no offense but i think we will get more information if she doesn't save you.
spies6callahan (7:13:11 PM): i agree
spies6callahan (7:13:19 PM): which is why i've scattered so many seeds
spies6callahan (7:13:46 PM): at least one has to hit a spy, and the rate of 1:1 citizen to spy catches is very very good
