Rey
Rey
Amor del Rey
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Post by Rey on Jun 4, 2009 9:41:37 GMT -5
I think that is everyone. Ouch.
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 4, 2009 13:27:42 GMT -5
I think that is everyone. Ouch. Everyone that counts ![::)](http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g221/SorintheSeeker/heart2.gif)
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Roxy
Roxy
Dead Queen Bitch.
Posts: 50
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Post by Roxy on Jun 4, 2009 13:31:58 GMT -5
As of now I suspect It, based on the conversation I have had with her and that I think she is scum and cold blooded. But maybe it's just me?
And Donald. As I have stated previously.
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Post by Georgia on Jun 4, 2009 15:53:39 GMT -5
Sorry Rey.
You are under Waffle. sometimes I think spy, sometimes I think citizen.
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Post by Levi on Jun 4, 2009 16:00:47 GMT -5
Please don't call him a waffle. I like waffles, they are tasty. Now whenever I see that it will sound dirty.
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Post by Amelia on Jun 4, 2009 16:46:34 GMT -5
I have some good ideas about whom i NOT voting for. But right now I'm really just trying to evaluate.
The case against Donald seems to be stalling. He's been on my suspect list since the beginning, so I'm gonna go do some digging, see what I can find.
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 4, 2009 17:11:13 GMT -5
The case against Donald seems to be stalling. He's been on my suspect list since the beginning, so I'm gonna go do some digging, see what I can find. Are you and Donald spy buddies? He's been on your suspect list since the beginning? Seems like this is pretty calculated suspicion you are leveling at him.
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Post by Tiberius on Jun 4, 2009 18:50:12 GMT -5
What kind of cake are you two going to have at your wedding? Mostly SpyishLevi Donald Partly Spyish = Questionable BehaviorThor Tiberius Jenya William Meh = No strong read = ?Pete Mirela Faith Iris Ellis Gabriela More Citizen than spyishGretchen Oswald Boris Ed Kirsten Amelia Jason Khaled Category-less for the momentAriel - mostly I'd like to know how the whole last minute vote on Jaya went down. Imprison Please:Roxy I think that is everyone. Hey Georgia. I've been hearing around that you suspect me, I wish you would have come forth somewhere with some reasons why, or at least talked to me in private about them. Could you specify what makes me [And Jenya and Thor, since I've never seen you talk about them either] Spyish?
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Post by Amelia on Jun 4, 2009 18:54:00 GMT -5
The case against Donald seems to be stalling. He's been on my suspect list since the beginning, so I'm gonna go do some digging, see what I can find. Are you and Donald spy buddies? He's been on your suspect list since the beginning? Seems like this is pretty calculated suspicion you are leveling at him. Not so. I'm not suspecting him for any reason other than I suspect him. I have no hidden agenda.
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Roxy
Roxy
Dead Queen Bitch.
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Post by Roxy on Jun 4, 2009 18:54:02 GMT -5
Tiberius...let me save you the trouble. Her response will be: READ. LOOK IT UP IN A DICTIONARY. Or something retarded like that. ![:)](http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif)
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Post by Levi on Jun 4, 2009 18:59:20 GMT -5
Ummm, Roxy, she never says look it up. She just says "Read a dictionary."
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Roxy
Roxy
Dead Queen Bitch.
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Post by Roxy on Jun 4, 2009 19:08:25 GMT -5
I stand correccted.
READ A DICTIONARY.
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Post by Iris on Jun 4, 2009 19:25:39 GMT -5
Ed, thanks for the list. One question on this: when you're distinguishing between Exiled Citizen/Voted Citizen: are you doing that for strict accuracy or are you saying "Exiled Citizen" is more suspect to you than "Voted Citizen"?
Georgia, you told me before you wouldn't discuss Roxy's alignment. You implied that you weren't sure what she was because you thought your dislike for her might be clouding your judgment. That's a reasonable viewpoint. But here you ask for her to be Imprisoned. Clearly only a Citizen will be Imprisoned... that's, well, odd.
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Rey
Rey
Amor del Rey
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Post by Rey on Jun 4, 2009 19:26:59 GMT -5
My poor, poor Gabriela.</3
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Post by Ed on Jun 4, 2009 19:53:20 GMT -5
Ed, thanks for the list. One question on this: when you're distinguishing between Exiled Citizen/Voted Citizen: are you doing that for strict accuracy or are you saying "Exiled Citizen" is more suspect to you than "Voted Citizen"? Based purely on voting, I believe the successful exile of a Citizen warrants more suspicion than merely a vote for a citizen. For example, Faith is higher on the list than Donald. She at least played some role in ousting 2 Citizens while Donald only built enough of a case or hopped on the right bandwagon once. With that said, it is a minor distinction. Rey (and probably some others) would have you/Mirela at the top because, IF you were spies, you thought you were actually exiling 3 Citizens. Again, this is only meant as a quick and easy way to sort through the past votes. As Kirsten pointed out, it's not even 100% accurate. I do not advocate future exile voting or even the narrowing of suspect lists to the top 5 or so of the list....especially since I myself am near the top. ![:(](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/locolicious/no.gif)
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Post by Tiberius on Jun 4, 2009 19:55:31 GMT -5
Quick thoughts on everyone Pete- I'm pretty sure he's a citizen. He's very lurky sometimes but he's voted for two spies and seems to be doing his best to help. I will probably put him on the lower end of my ballot. Likely citizenI do wish he'd voice his thoughts a little more often though, as his votes have always somewhat surprised me, because I wasn't totally sure where his head was at. Iris- I think one of Iris and Faith are spies, possibly even both, so I'm putting both of them on the higher end of my list at this point. My gut tells me that Iris is the one that's less likely to be a spy, and she's also been more overall helpful in the burg. However, she HAS exiled two citizens. Somewhat spyishLevi- His behavior seems suspicious. The case against him grows and grows, and was the second strongest last round. Will undoubtly be high on my list unless some sort of role-related clearing goes on. Likely a spyMy gut keeps telling me he isn't, but I don't totally trust Mr. Gut right now. Jenya- Now and again she makes me go 0-o. One little theory that I came up with is that she pushes the evenishness on spy distribution very strongly, almost as if she knows differently. Maybe she's trying to hide that my and her original team held more than just Jaya and Alma and Paris the traitor. However, this is a theory that right now I think is just wild paranoia. I wanted to put it on the record for people to look at later in case I'm not here, but right now I think Jenya's work thus far seems to be citizenish. Likely Citizen, for now Donald- I found the case against him last round to be unbelievable weak and I think Donald's work thus far in this game seems to be insanely citizenish. Just like I was with Roxy, I react to a case I see as weak by feeling very strongly opposing their exile. So there's little chance of Donald appearing very high on my list. Likely CitizenMirela- She's... firey ![:P](http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif) Mirela has a temper. And that actually worries me, because even if she's a citizen she tends to just end up in the way of positive actions. Right now, she's going to be on the higher end of my ballot, but not too high because I don't think their's sufficient evidence to point to her being a spy. Possibly a spyOswald- I still don't know about this guy. I haven't talked with him much at all. I don't know much either way. Upsetting, as i don't think there should be any of those at this point in the game. NeutralRey - Honestly, his last minute actions to go after Pete over Jaya still confuse me. But I'm running with my original convictions on Rey for now. Likely a citizenFaith- ALARM ALARM ALARM WEEE WOOO WEEE WOOO Faith IS A SPY and will likely be on the top of my list this week unless I feel like "playing it safe' with a Levi vote. My gut has been telling me since day on, and the evidence keeps coming. She's exiled TWO citizens. She was a late on the bandwaggon on both. She has yet to give anyone a unique opinion on anything. She didn't even vote for Paris goddamnit. IS A SPY, IS A SPY*angel face* Georgia - See Mirela Could be a spyEllis-I trust him, alot. I found his dancing around the Yvette exile a little suspicious but right now every part of me thinks Ellis is a citizen so I'm sticking with that unless something comes up. Good guy, good thoughts. Likely a citizenKirsten - Wicked awesome! Would a spy go that far out there for a strong citizen leader like she did last round? WIFOM I guess, but my belief is no. I think her defense of Yvette almost proves me to me that Kirsten is a citizen and a strong citizen asset at that. Me and her tend not to agree on suspects, but I do believe she's an citizen. Likely a citizenThor - I believe, mostly through gut feelings from interactions, that Thor is Likely a citizen but I don't have much else to say. Roxy - I've made my thoughts on Roxy well know they have not changed. Likely a citizenBoris - I used to believe all his actions were citizenish. But after he vanished after giving away the tiebreaker power I've doubted it more and more. I wish he'd come back out of the wordwork as a strong leader like he was during the first episode. But until he does I have to say Could be a spyAriel- I find her difficult to communicate with sometimes, but I still get the feeling she's a citizen, and evidence seem to indicate such as well. Likely a citizenWilliam - See Oswald, but so little things make me say Could be a spyJason- I trust him. Alot. Yes, we teamed up on a mislynch, and we both feel dumb about it. But I still feel he's a citizen, and possibly slowly coming out as a strong citizen leader now that the Yvettes and Roberts are all gone. Likely a citizenKhaled - I really just... I don't even know what to make of the guy. He never speaks to me, I've tried before, nothing. And I find his contributions... unhelpful. For now NeutralAmelia - See Oswald, NeutralTiberius- A god of spies. The most trustworthy person in this game. Sexy, Sexy, Sexy man too. What would you all do without him? Ed- I'm going to let you in on a little theory of mine. Does anyone else remember who Robert's first suspect was before the whole fake cases, Callahan trap fiasco? O... why it was Ed! Anyone else think that Iris and/Or Faith told Ed to NOT react to the fake cases as Callahan did, and thus saved their spy ally? Aha! It's just a theory. But it's one that makes me think Could be a spy and stronger than most of the people I said that for. Gretchen - See Mirela Could be a spy
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 4, 2009 20:32:24 GMT -5
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Rey
Rey
Amor del Rey
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Post by Rey on Jun 4, 2009 21:49:10 GMT -5
Great idea Kirsten, I never would have thought of that.
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Post by Georgia on Jun 5, 2009 1:31:45 GMT -5
Tiberius. It hasn't been a secret. Why should I go straight to you with them, when you don't show me the same courtesy? Typically, we'll have a conversation - then right after or during you'll post in the Burg how you find me suspicious. Nor have I seen you on AIM recently when I have been.
You and Thor are followers, sheep, bandwagoners. Jenya is a word twister.
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Roxy
Roxy
Dead Queen Bitch.
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Post by Roxy on Jun 5, 2009 8:55:18 GMT -5
I guess everyone is a word twister and follower now, aren't they?
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Post by Georgia on Jun 5, 2009 10:12:36 GMT -5
No, not at all. If they were, then they'd all be under the spy categories.
Huh. Could've sworn I put people under different categories. Now, why would I do that if 'everyone is a word twister and follower'. But there was that other thread, where I put Thor and Tiberius. Yet I detect a sense of shock here. Huh. interesting. I suppose amnesia could be responsible. But the more likely and probable answer is much more permanent than that. Oh yes, that would be it.
*eyerolling*
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Post by Levi on Jun 5, 2009 10:53:46 GMT -5
Kirsten, you're very subtle.
/sarcasm
I'll probably be writing up my list for this thread later today.
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Post by William on Jun 5, 2009 10:57:30 GMT -5
Hello everyone. Haven't had a chance to read through the whole thread but I did check out the exlie and imprisonment results. I've been working 10 hour days lately but today and tomorrow I'm on a normaler schedule and then off on sunday and monday so I should actually make some appearances this round. Gotta run.
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Post by Tiberius on Jun 5, 2009 11:24:47 GMT -5
Tiberius. It hasn't been a secret. Why should I go straight to you with them, when you don't show me the same courtesy? Typically, we'll have a conversation - then right after or during you'll post in the Burg how you find me suspicious. Nor have I seen you on AIM recently when I have been. You and Thor are followers, sheep, bandwagoners. Jenya is a word twister. It has been a secret. People have to tell me on AIM. This is the first I've seen publicly of it. My MINOR suspicions of you have been posted publicly multiple times, which is all I ask of you. You're right though, we aren't online at the same times alot, but I think the difference here is that you have a SERIOUS suspicion of me while I just think you're a citizen who gets in the way by causing fights and dissension with an unhelpful style of spyhunting. Me and thor have repeatedly posted unique and new opinions on people in such a fashion that actually assists spy hunting. I've seen more of this from Thor than I have from you.
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Post by Levi on Jun 5, 2009 13:27:25 GMT -5
These are in the order that players appear on the banner. No fancy classifications, just my thoughts on each player:
Pete - It saddens me that there are still players whom I know little to nothing about. I really would like to talk to you ASAP.
Iris - First off: She's in jail. I have absolutely no idea if this means Spy or Cit or whatever, and I'm not going to analyze that until more info is posted by Sam. I believe that Iris is a Citizen. I know that she was involved in the fake case scene with Robert and Yvette, but from chats that I've had with her, she seems genuinely focused on catching Spies and is not afraid to think for herself. SPY SCALE: 2
Jenya - This is someone who I have talked to a ton. Being completely hoenst, at the beginning of the game I conpletely suspected her. We had a couple conversations where it seemed, to me, that her suspects were all over the place and that she was looking to see what I thought just so she could agree with me. That opinion has since changed. After more convos with her, I believe that she is a Cit, but there's that nagging feeling in the back of my head that says I might be fooled by her. SPY SCALE: 3
Donald - From day one I got a feeling that he had something to hide. Evidence has been brought up against him, which agrees with my earlier suspicions. I'm not writing him off as a Spy yet, but he is currently a major suspect. SPY SCALE: 7
Mirela - Right after she replaced into the game, I thought she was a Cit. And then the "edit the topic title" challenge came. As I called her out on in chat, it seemed like we were always waiting on her to change her letter. Also, as Faith pointed out in another thread, she had a very low post count in the posting challenge. When I called her out on the editing challenge, she got very defensive. She's not one of my top three suspects, but she's up there. SPY SCALE: 5
Oswald - I've talked to Oswald a lot, and he has given me no reason to doubt that he is Cit. He came to me with questions about the case against me and allowed me to defend myself. A Spy would never have done that. They would have just ignored me and jumped on the case.SPY SCALE: 2
Rey - I've talked with him plenty in group chats, but we haven't gotten much in the way of one-on-one convos. I wish to change that, but as for now, I believe he is Cit. SPY SCALE: 3
Faith - Faith is the second member of my Top 3 Suspects (the first was Donald.) While it has been pointed out that she's been known to follow the popular opinion, she has not always done this. When everyone else voted Paris, she voted me. Now, that in itself could be a scumtell, but that's not the main reason why I suspect her. After Thor came out that he was voting Faith, she posted a thread about why she wasn't a Spy. It came off as very defensive, almost as if she wanted to nip those suspicions in the bud before a strong case could be brought against her. I want to speak with her more about this. SPY SCALE: 6
Georgia - The final member of my Top 3 Suspects. Her attitude towards other players is very antagonistic in nature. Drama only helps Spies. She has a habit of both flinging insults and not giving straightforward answers to questions. To me, it seems like her attitude is "my way or the highway." She has not been helpful in pretty much anything. Notice how she didn't defend Yvette and then called out those who voted her after Exile. SPY SCALE: 7
Ellis - There is no real evidence to go for Ellis either way, but through private chats I feel that he is a Cit. SPY SCALE: 3
Kirsten - My mortal enemy. As long as the two of us are in this game, she will suspect me. Kirsten will be behind a Levi lynch. Even though her opinion about me is mistaken, her behavior is completely protown. SPY SCALE: 3
Thor - While I've talked with him several times, there haven't been that many game related chats. He has given me no reason to believe he is a Spy. But, then again, he hasn't given me many reasons to believe he is a Cit. SPY SCALE: 3
Roxy - I've had an interesting relationship with Roxy so far in the game. Exile 1 I almost got her Exiled. Now I believe she is a Cit that was playing this game more like Survivor than like Mafia. Sometimes she doesn't make all the sense in the world, and sometimes she isn't entirely helpful, but all-in-all I think she's focused on catching Spies. SPY SCALE: 3
Boris - At the beginning of the game Boris was very protown. Now where is he at? I have a feeling that he has something to hide, I'm just not sure what. SPY SCALE: 4
Ariel - I need to talk to her further, but some things are bugging me about her. Like the fact that she hasn't been Imprisoned even though her actions have been pretty much protown all game. Either way, I can not deny the fact that she opted not to save Almathea. SPY SCALE:2
I have to run right now, but I'll give my thoughts on the remaining players when I get back.
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Post by Amelia on Jun 5, 2009 15:11:05 GMT -5
My Top 3 will be (in order):
Donald - For obvious reasons. I think he's a Spy and have for awhile now.
Georgia - Her antagonism is a great smokescreen. Her open bickering with Roxy does nothing but get in the way of actual Spy hunting.
Roxy - See Georgia. She's third because my gut suspects her a wee bit less in the "One's a Spy" scenario (see below).
There are three possible situations with Georgia and Roxy:
One's a Spy - In this scenario, we want to Exile the Spy, obvi. This would mean that one is faking pissiness to help hide her true alignment. In this case, I think Georgia wis more likely the Spy because from what I can tell "she started it." It being the long-standing argument between the two.
Both Are Spies - In this scenario they are both faking pissiness as a distancing/smokescreen technique. Doesn't matter which one we Exile as both would be great choices. I don't think this one is as likely as "One's a Spy," but it's more likely than "Neither Are Spies."
Neither Are Spies - They're just two Cits slapping eahc other and pulling each other's hair why the rest of us get drawn in and distracted from the real Spies. IN this situation, Exiling one of them removes a Cit, but for the love of God it also stops the insanity.
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Post by Georgia on Jun 5, 2009 16:58:29 GMT -5
If it had been a secret Tiberius, that means I wouldn't of talked about it with anyone other than myself.
I'm not sure some of you get the gist of the game. This is not a make friends and be totally social and disgustingly nice to each other party. This is a game where we find the Spies. To think you can do that without a some venom, is a ridiculous notion.
If you are looking to make friends, and be a happy Barney family - I suggest not playing this style of game at all.
You think what I've "done", hasn't helped at all? Riiiight.
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Post by Thor on Jun 5, 2009 18:28:35 GMT -5
if you ever listened to anyone, georgia, maybe people would actually take you seriously
i'm not sure you get this jist of this game. this is not a i'm going to assert my opinions over and over and over again without listening to anything anyone else says game. this is a game where we attempt to work as a team to find the spies among us. to think you can do that without listening to others is a ridiculous notion.
if you are looking to bitch and moan, and try to lead the game all by your lonesome - i suggest not playing this game at all.
you think what you've done has helped greatly? riiight.
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Post by Levi on Jun 5, 2009 19:03:07 GMT -5
if you ever listened to anyone, georgia, maybe people would actually take you seriously i'm not sure you get this jist of this game. this is not a i'm going to assert my opinions over and over and over again without listening to anything anyone else says game. this is a game where we attempt to work as a team to find the spies among us. to think you can do that without listening to others is a ridiculous notion. if you are looking to bitch and moan, and try to lead the game all by your lonesome - i suggest not playing this game at all. you think what you've done has helped greatly? riiight. Well said.
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Post by Georgia on Jun 5, 2009 19:53:47 GMT -5
How and where do I not listen Thor? Show proof. Otherwise it is a blatant lie, which I've asked you to elaborate on before.
Oh, because I don't follow people blindly? Wow, what a novel idea. Why do we even have our own identities? Why did Sam spend so much time creating this game, and giving us our own avatars and wanting character sheets from us. If the point to this entire game, was to be like everyone else, and to followfollowfollow until we walk off a cliff like lemmings? Then yes, I would be in the wrong game.
Lead? I've never tried leading, nor have the desire to.
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