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Post by Levi on Jun 5, 2009 20:01:19 GMT -5
How and where do I not listen Thor? Show proof. Otherwise it is a blatant lie, which I've asked you to elaborate on before. Oh, because I don't follow people blindly? Wow, what a novel idea. Why do we even have our own identities? Why did Sam spend so much time creating this game, and giving us our own avatars and wanting character sheets from us. If the point to this entire game, was to be like everyone else, and to followfollowfollow until we walk off a cliff like lemmings? Then yes, I would be in the wrong game. Lead? I've never tried leading, nor have the desire to. Dearest Queen Georgia, he created the game so that you could constantly remind us how horrible we are at this game. Please do not banish me from your presence. I wish to learn from your obviously superior skills so that I will not be the hopeless noob we both know I am.
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Amor del Rey
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Post by Rey on Jun 5, 2009 22:49:33 GMT -5
We need to have a team discussion on AIM.
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Post by Levi on Jun 6, 2009 8:45:23 GMT -5
I agree. I could be on tonight, more than likely.
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Idle Piece of Shit
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Post by Boris on Jun 6, 2009 10:10:30 GMT -5
I will be on late tonight, and would like to talk to people on large chat if possible.
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Post by Levi on Jun 6, 2009 12:19:47 GMT -5
No one is on AIM, but I can at least finish my list!
William - The only other unknown besides Pete is William. This saddens me greatly. Get on AIM! We chatted very early in the game, but there weren't any major points discussed at all.
Jason - One of the few people that I can not find anything scummy about. I think he is 100% cit, but there's always that nagging feeling that you're being swindled. SPY SCALE: 2
Khaled - Before, I thought he was cit. But Rey brought up some interesting thoughts about him. He does detailed analysis of every player, but that's all he does. He doesn't really contribute to anything else, and he never chats on AIM. The analysis makes him look like he's Spyhunting, but other than that, he's not doing much. I could be reading too much into this, but it's worth mentioning nonetheless. SPY SCALE: 4
Amelia - Hasn't given me any reason to doubt her alignment in a chat, but I can't ignore the "64 Pins" incident. SPY SCALE: 3
Tiberius - He seems cit, but I really would like to talk with him more. He's active in the Burg, but something about him seems off to me. SPY SCALE: 4
Ed - Finally got a chance to talk to him, and I didn't learn much of anything. My gut told me that he was kind of just there, not taking any major opinions. The only opinion he's voiced to me in our two, albeit short, chats was that he was suspicious of Gretchen. Even then, he was doubting himself. I can understand self-doubt, but because this is the only thing I've heard from him, it makes me think he could be a Spy trying to hide under the radar. SPY SCALE: 5
Gretchen - Her stance on Roxy has been interesting. She's not conforming to the crowd, but her reasons for voting Roxy aren't very protown. From what I've heard (correct me if I'm wrong here), she's been voting Roxy so we can receive information. That's kind of like saying "Oh, lets lynch someone just so we can learn about other people. Who cares if she's a cit or not?" SPY SCALE: 4
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Post by Thor on Jun 6, 2009 15:20:38 GMT -5
How and where do I not listen Thor? Show proof. Otherwise it is a blatant lie, which I've asked you to elaborate on before. Oh, because I don't follow people blindly? Wow, what a novel idea. Why do we even have our own identities? Why did Sam spend so much time creating this game, and giving us our own avatars and wanting character sheets from us. If the point to this entire game, was to be like everyone else, and to followfollowfollow until we walk off a cliff like lemmings? Then yes, I would be in the wrong game. spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg90999&action=display&thread=1101&page=1that in general argues against your entire point.
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Post by Ed on Jun 6, 2009 17:53:08 GMT -5
This a rough estimation of my suspects, from most likely to be Citizens to most likely to be spies. Pete/Tiberius - Not much interaction with either of them, but likely Citizens due to Almathea and Jaya votes. Ariel - I'm not as high on her as some people, but I have to think of her as a Citizen for now. She let Almathea go, saved Roxy (who I think is probably a Citizen), voted out Jaya and was close with Yvette. Ellis/Jason - Both voted out Almathea and Paris, which is still a plus even though Paris wasn't a full blown spy. Jason did make the initial post that ultimately led to Yvette's Exile, but it was actually Jenya who started the Yvette movement. I'm not a fan of either of their minus votes (Levi and Mirela). However, I've also talked to Jason and gotten a Citizen vibe from him. William - I like all of his votes so far. He could be a super-lurking spy but I don't really have any other reason to suspect him so far. Kirsten - She's built up a decent case against Levi and was one of the loudest defenders of Yvette. Obviously, I think she made a good decision on who to use her minus vote on. She would be higher on this list if I didn't have the lingering feeling that she could be a very clever and manipulative spy. Roxy - Her bitching with Georgia is doing no one any good, but I still get the feeling that she's a Citizen. Her votes for Mei Yun and Yvette are troubling, but she did Exile Jaya. I'd like to find out what she thinks about anybody besides Georgia. Oswald - Another player I don't have much of a read on, but leaning dumb Citizen. His voting has been all over the place leading me to believe that he is just plain clueless. Rey - He has done a good job of squandering his early reputation as most likely Citizen. He did vote out Almathea, but his random desire to Exile Pete came out of nowhere and really wasn't justified. He also minus voted Gretchen (gross) and played a part in the Exile of Yvette. Still probably a Citizen though. Georgia - Again, the public nastiness with Roxy is only distracting us from our real goal. I get a Citizen vibe with her, but her votes just don't add up. She voted Mei Yun and also had a weird vote for Ariel. Jaya and Donald both minus voted her, and then she turned around and voted for Donald. Trying to distance herself from Donald after he tried to save her? Thor - He voted for Callahan and contributed to the Yvette Exile but also voted for Jaya and minus voted for Pete. I haven't talked to him much, but I'm leaning Citizen for him. Khaled - Another Callahan voter and he also minus voted Levi. It's hard to get a read on him because he isn't around much. His analysis posts are helpful but it would be nice to hear some original opinions. As I'm writing this, he has contributed to the case against Mirela with a valid point about her "disconnection". Amelia - Other than her woefully inadequate pin guess, I really have nothing to go on with her. I don't like her vote for Kirsten in Round 1, but everything else looks Citizenlike. Boris - 2nd player in a row that I have never talked to. Faith brings up some good points about his complete lack of public suspicions combined with his votes for Roxy and Yvette. However, he also brought up the fact that Mirela never disconnected. Neutral right now. Jenya - She voted out Almathea and minus voted Mei Yun, but she was the initial leader of the Yvette bandwagon. Right now, I think it is more likely that she was just a misguided Citizen and that the spies used her collection of "evidence" to Exile Yvette. Faith/Iris - I put them together only because I'm really torn as to whether either or even both are spies. I feel a little better about Faith because of her vote for Levi. Iris, on the other hand, randomly voted Robert to avoid being on the Callahan bandwagon and minus voted for Levi. It's WIFOM, but the spies could have jailed her hoping that suspicion of her would die down. Anyway, not ready to vote either of them yet. Donald - I never found Kirsten's case against him particularly compelling, but something just seems off with Donald. He did vote for Gross Gretchen but he also voted for Mei Yun and Yvette. I've only talked with him once and I found it difficult to get any real opinions of him. He could just be cautious, but his switch from Gretchen to Yvette suggests that he is always looking to hop on what he sees as the likely bandwagon. Gretchen - Her obsession with exiling Roxy that was shared by Jaya plus her supposedly "drunk" freak out in the team chat and a few scumslips where she seemingly does not view herself as a Citizen. However, she did minus vote Kirsten and I'm disturbed that no one has really come to Gretchen's defense. So if Gretchen is not a spy, I think Donald almost certainly is. Levi/Mirela - Based solely on voting, both of them don't look so hot. Mirela has Exiled 2 Citizens and Paris, while Levi Exiled Yvette and Paris. Yes, Paris was a bad guy but the spies almost certainly didn't know that. As Khaled pointed out, Boris and Levi have voted identically, including a vote for Roxy in Episode 1. Mirela's disconnection defense is quickly evaporating and my only discussion with her about suspects was like pulling her rotten yellow teeth. I've even thought that their sniping at each other could be planned, especially since the question of who Mirela was talking to was almost immediately answered. However, it's more likely that just one of them is a spy....now I just have to figure out which one.
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Post by Levi on Jun 6, 2009 18:05:04 GMT -5
Notice that he first voices suspicion of me immediately after I first voice suspicion of him (correct me if I'm wrong here). Also notice how he provides no new thoughts about me. OMGUS or a bandwagon?
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Post by Ed on Jun 6, 2009 19:32:14 GMT -5
Notice that he first voices suspicion of me immediately after I first voice suspicion of him (correct me if I'm wrong here). Also notice how he provides no new thoughts about me. OMGUS or a bandwagon? We weren't on the same team for the first 2 episodes and we hadn't talked at all until yesterday. Our one conversation immediately raised my suspicion of you since you seemed very interested in who my top suspects were without ever offering up any of your own opinions. And I did provide new thoughts: the possible spy cooperation between yourself and Mirela.
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Post by Levi on Jun 6, 2009 19:52:28 GMT -5
I know this is WIFOM, but if me and Mirela were both Spies, why would I post that thread? And why would Jenya step forward to defend Mirela, unless she was a Spy too?
If you would have asked, I would have given them. I'm sorry, I'll start all convos like this from now on:
spie6levi: MY TOP SUSPECTS ARE MIRELA, FAITH, AND DONALD spies6levi: Hi!
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Post by Ed on Jun 6, 2009 20:40:07 GMT -5
It is completely WIFOM, but if you two were both spies, building public cases against each other (that conveniently fall apart) would be one way to convince people that you can't possibly both be spies. Also, if one of you is Exiled, the survivor looks more Citizen-like for having suspected the Exiled spy. Donald - From day one I got a feeling that he had something to hide. Evidence has been brought up against him, which agrees with my earlier suspicions. I'm not writing him off as a Spy yet, but he is currently a major suspect. SPY SCALE: 7 spies6levi (8:05:13 PM): I mean, the cases on Boris and Donald could hardly be called cases It's possible that you had a change of heart in a matter of hours, except that you just said again that you suspect Donald. What gives?
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Post by Tiberius on Jun 6, 2009 20:53:01 GMT -5
If it had been a secret Tiberius, that means I wouldn't of talked about it with anyone other than myself. I'm not sure some of you get the gist of the game. This is not a make friends and be totally social and disgustingly nice to each other party. This is a game where we find the Spies. To think you can do that without a some venom, is a ridiculous notion. If you are looking to make friends, and be a happy Barney family - I suggest not playing this style of game at all. You think what I've "done", hasn't helped at all? Riiiight. Actually Georgia, I'd say you're the one who has the wrong idea about this game. Fighting and antagonizing people only makes spy hunting harder as it distracts. And since that's pretty much all I've seen from you, I'd say yes what you've done HASN'T helped us at all. "Venom" isn't necessary, ever. I don't know why you think it is. You can hunt spies and confront them without being "venomous" and you and the other few players in this game that keep fighting are either scum or if they are citizens are no help.
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Post by Levi on Jun 6, 2009 21:00:57 GMT -5
Way to take things out of context Ed! That was from a convo about Faith's thread in which she voices her suspicions, not about Kirsten's case against Donald.
Thank you, try again.
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Post by Ed on Jun 6, 2009 21:10:41 GMT -5
Levi is correct, at the time he was referring to Faith's case against Donald. I was just skimming my convos and that line stuck out to me given his current suspect list. I apologize for the confusion and please ignore that section of my post.
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Post by Levi on Jun 6, 2009 21:13:27 GMT -5
Levi is correct, at the time he was referring to Faith's case against Donald. I was just skimming my convos and that line stuck out to me given his current suspect list. I apologize for the confusion and please ignore that section of my post. No big deal, it can happen. *coughspycough*
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Rey
Rey
Amor del Rey
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Post by Rey on Jun 7, 2009 0:44:46 GMT -5
Please keep in mind that Gretchen has posted no content at all this round, and does not appear to be scum hunting. I still haven't decided on a vote, but it's leaning to her.
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Post by Georgia on Jun 7, 2009 1:23:11 GMT -5
Ah, so funny Tiberius. Hunted any spies yourself lately? Or shall it be expected you'll follow another's vote this round again?
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Post by Khaled on Jun 7, 2009 3:10:29 GMT -5
VOTE FOR MIRELA
There isn't text big enough to express that sentiment. Deliberately lying never, ever, ever helps the town--not answering a question is much better than giving false information.
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Post by Gretchen on Jun 7, 2009 4:18:33 GMT -5
Please keep in mind that Gretchen has posted no content at all this round, and does not appear to be scum hunting. I still haven't decided on a vote, but it's leaning to her. Sorry, what??? I have posted. I posted I thought Ariel or Kirsten would be Imprisoned. I have also posted lots of comments on the Roxy / Georgia chat which, if I remember correctly, you found to be amusing. If you want me to post a list of who I think is Spyish and less Spyish I can happily do that - don't think it's going to be particularly helpful. Plus you were already giving me grief for "not letting the spies know what we were thinking" or some such nonsense. Don't take your shittiness out on me because someone has accused you of being a Spy and you have had to defend yourself. I haven't done a person by person post like some people have here because guess what? I haven't spoken to most of you at all this episode. My thoughts on everyone stay just about the same apart from one to two people which I am not prepared to discuss in public just yet. I have discussed these theories with 2 people who I trust, and at this point, I am happy with that. Furthermore, I have been very busy and have not had as much time this round to go through all the reams of chats and squabbles like I normally could. My vote is sticking with William. From what I have seen he has made 2 posts in total which have something to do with the game and his thoughts on the players. I think he is lurking and isn't contributing enough to the Citizen alignment of the game anyway. In relation to Ed's comments on me, he is absolutely correct in saying that no one has defended me. Why? I don't know. Maybe because they have changed their minds, as it would appear from the last Exile as only Ed kept his vote on me. Maybe you should ask them. Furthermore, my thoughts on Roxy have changed at this point - I wanted her gone for 2 reasons at the time: 1) I didn't think she was contributing much and thought she may well be a Spy. And if she was just a Citizen, it wouldn't be too great of a loss if we kept someone who was a Citizen who was contributing more to the game. 2) I wanted to see if she was a Spy, as a lot of information I think can probably found from the thought processes and discussions made in Episode One. If trying to gather further information about players' alignments is scummy to any of you, feel free to vote me.
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Post by Roxy on Jun 7, 2009 9:17:50 GMT -5
I should hope Mirela explains herself about that lie, it is kind of like flashing lights inside my head.
That could be a vote possibilty. Georgia I think could be a spy still, but after her behavior last night in the chat, she has moved down a bit off my suspect list. Donald, where the hell is this lurker? I don't like his shifty behavior. And Ariel. That whole "I got confused about Jaya" thing is kind of weird, although I don't know what that makes about you. The only thing it did was try to make me look like a bandwagoner.
That being said...I really hope Mirela gets her ass online soon.
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Rey
Rey
Amor del Rey
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Post by Rey on Jun 7, 2009 10:16:34 GMT -5
Sorry, what??? I have posted. Content Gretchen, content. I posted I thought Ariel or Kirsten would be Imprisoned. Very unhelpful and incorrect. That could be a spy tactic to seem like you have no clue who is going to be imprisoned when Gabriela is taken out. I have also posted lots of comments on the Roxy / Georgia chat which, if I remember correctly, you found to be amusing. Amusing but useless. Don't take your shittiness out on me because someone has accused you of being a Spy and you have had to defend yourself. You think i'm bringing up the fact that all your posts this episode are junk because someone decided to make a case on me? I haven't done a person by person post like some people have here because guess what? I haven't spoken to most of you at all this episode. Why not? Are you scum hunting? Are you not concerned whether or not we actually exile a spy ? I think he is lurking and isn't contributing enough to the Citizen alignment of the game anyway. The way this sentence is worded, you think he is a citizen. Why are you going to vote him if you feel that way? If trying to gather further information about players' alignments is scummy to any of you, feel free to vote me. Oh please don't tempt me. We don't need to exile someone to know their alignment. We can interrogate them ourselves to see how they act, and then draw a general conclusion from there.
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Post by Jason on Jun 7, 2009 10:30:51 GMT -5
Suspects: Faith, Amelia, Georgia
Worried about but not sure: Donald, Rey, Mirela, Thor, William, Ed
Neutral: Boris, Gretchen, Roxy, Ariel, Iris, Oswald, Khaled, Kirsten
Feel good about: Pete, Jenya, Tiberius, Ellis, Levi
So here are some notes...
- I don't know who I'm voting for tonight yet, there have been some unexpected cases like with Rey and Mirela, two people I always had good vibes from until this round that have thrown me for a loop.
- I won't vote for Levi this round. I think he's answered all of the questions and the most suspicious thing about him is whether or not he's played Spies before and that's not a good reaosn to Exile someone.
- Any of the people on my Worried About list are just as good candidates to get a vote from me tonight as my suspect list. The only difference is they either haven't been suspects for as long or I dont have as much to go on. If it comes down to one of them and someone I think is a citizen I'll vote for one of them with no regrets.
- Neutral people are people that I can see go either way but have nothing significant to suspect them for nor anything significant to trust them for.
- Feel good people are people that I think are most likely citizens. It doesn't mean I trust them because I don't, but if I had any breaking news and had to tell someone it would be one of them.
So since we're doing weird voting I'll probably order my ballot based on these groups; just an FYI.
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Post by Georgia on Jun 7, 2009 10:33:25 GMT -5
Rey. What about everyone else whom hasn't posted anything of "content" this episode?
Where are Pete? Ellis? Oswald? Amelia? Jason? William/Jenya (I think these two have, at least Jenya I think)
Oh, if you want to call it throwing under the bus, go right ahead. But if you are going to single out one person for something, then you should mention everyone whom is guilty of the same thing. As well as point out why you are singling the person out.
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Post by Georgia on Jun 7, 2009 10:34:05 GMT -5
Awh, Jason posted while I was posting.
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Rey
Rey
Amor del Rey
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Post by Rey on Jun 7, 2009 10:44:26 GMT -5
Suspects: Faith, Amelia, Georgia - I don't know who I'm voting for tonight yet, there have been some unexpected cases like with Rey and Mirela, two people I always had good vibes from until this round that have thrown me for a loop. Stop avoiding posting how you feel. Here you say that there are unexpected cases on us, yet you don't say how you feel about those cases.
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Amor del Rey
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Post by Rey on Jun 7, 2009 10:52:16 GMT -5
Rey. What about everyone else whom hasn't posted anything of content this episode? Where are Pete? Ellis? Oswald? Amelia? Jason? William/Jenya (I think these two have, at least Jenya I think) Ellis has. Oswald has an excuse. Amelia has. Jason has. William has. Jenya has. The only other person that hasn't is Pete, and I do not suspect him whatsoever. Oh, if you want to call it throwing under the bus, go right ahead. But if you are going to single out one person for something, then you should mention everyone whom is guilty of the same thing. As well as point out why you are singling the person out. Since you were wrong, I don't think I need to answer this. I just skimmed this, but why did you mention 'throwing under the bus'?
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Daddy's Dead Princess
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Post by Faith on Jun 7, 2009 14:32:08 GMT -5
VOTE FOR MIRELAThere isn't text big enough to express that sentiment. Deliberately lying never, ever, ever helps the town--not answering a question is much better than giving false information. Hey guys, with the way this voting goes this round your top suspect might not be your vote seeing they need 50% or more if I understood the whole thing correctly. So if in some way your votes on Levi/Mirela aren’t used who will be your next vote? And after that? People who’ve posted in this thread but from what I’ve seen haven’t given their thoughts on where their vote might/will go:
William, Gretchen, Thor, Donald, Boris, Ellis
And hi Rey!! I’ve noticed you posted a lot in this thread and you’ve even called Jason out on not explaining his thoughts fully… oh wait. Where are your thoughts on players then Rey? What is your thoughts on the unexpected case on Mirela? Who are your suspects this round? You should lead by example before calling people out. =) Let's get those suspicions out in the open!!
People who’ve not posted in this thread yet:
Pete, Jenya, Mirela, Oswald, Ariel
What’s everyone thinking!?
I'll post where my head is currently at next!
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Daddy's Dead Princess
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Post by Faith on Jun 7, 2009 14:45:08 GMT -5
Finally where my vote is going:
1. Mirela 2. Boris 3. Ed 4. Levi 5. Donald
Mirela – She gets extremely defensive it seems when someone accuses of her of being a spy (as seen by Levi). Her challenge performance could be seen as lagging and trying to make the citizens lose. Not just in one of the challenges but in at least two. She lied about her performance in the challenge as pointed out by Khaled/Boris. I feel she has been so hardcore focused on exiling people from Robert/Yvette save group that she isn’t actually looking for spies and is using it as an excuse to vote for someone. Levi even posted the chat transcript where all she said was she doesn’t know who to suspect but me.
Boris – For the simple reason that he doesn’t post his thoughts and he hasn’t take a stance in the burg at all from what I’ve seen. Actually, never mind I just checked and he has said no to the Rey case. So he’s taken one stance in the burg and he didn’t really say why the Rey case was bad. I even called him out on it in my suspicions thread and he gave a reason to Khaled about why he didn’t most as much, but didn’t acknowledge my suspicions on him.
Ed – This hurts because I didn’t know Ed loved horses when I voiced my suspicions but I have to put my emotional stance on that aside when I do this. </3 I read your response to me but I still feel there is a possible spy connection there. I don’t think you and Jaya are spies together just because she ended up voting for you. It’s the combination of things. I also noticed when I was researching your posts when you did your analysis on the players in your group you were putting uncertain/citizen/could be spy/whatever for everyone but for Jaya all you said was that you rose in her suspect list. As in, at first you didn’t actually give your opinion on her. It’s just a combination of things like that I’ve noticed and I can’t get it out of my head.
Levi – I was positive episode 2 you were a spy when we chatted. Episode three came around and I did become iffy when I noticed Jaya posted that she agreed with your case. Of course spies can always throw suspicion on each other especially when they were on different sides. This ones hard because now come this episode and some days I read something and I’m like ‘Yup Levi’s a spy’ (for example reading over your case) and then I read something else and go ‘Eh well maybe he could be a citizen who’s done suspicious things’ (posting the chat against Mirela). The bottom line is though from the case put against you I feel you have done suspicious things, which is why I’m putting you at number four.
Donald – Something just seems off with the guy to me from what I’ve seen in the burg. There’s the case against him made by Kirsten, which I don’t need to repeat and yeah. I’m keeping this one short *giggles*
The fun thing about this exile is this:
I suspect Mirela, Ed and Levi Levi suspects myself and kind of Mirela and kind of Ed Mirela suspects myself and I’m assuming when she yelled at Levi that she would be suspecting him as well (not positive on that one). Ed suspects Levi/Mirela
Bottom line is if a spy is found amongst us we are deff going to learn something. I don’t think Ed/Mirela/Levi are spies together so finding a spy will help clear the others in my head.
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Post by Ariel on Jun 7, 2009 14:46:09 GMT -5
What I'm thinking:
"Ellis has. Oswald has an excuse. Amelia has. Jason has. William has. Jenya has. The only other person that hasn't is Pete, and I do not suspect him whatsoever." - Rey
...Wait, what the fuck?
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Post by Levi on Jun 7, 2009 14:51:58 GMT -5
Faith, as of right now, Ed and Mirela are above you on my suspect list. Y
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