Spies 6: The Union (Night Seven - Iris align told)

[Ariel]

Jun 17, 2009 18:29:55 GMT -5 Kirsten said:

Jun 17, 2009 18:17:49 GMT -5 Ariel said:

1. He started the Almathea exile, but tried to back off it at the last second.

So why start it in the first place if he's a spy?



Were the things he said legitimate or not? Citizens can defend spies, as I'm sure you are aware of. Or was your defense of Iris spy-to-spy? (Going on a limb to assume Spyris)



It seemed pretty obvious to me that his intention was to not get Jaya exiled. That seems to fit with him defending Jaya based on things Almathea said. Can you explain to me why as a spy he would act like that?

Jun 17, 2009 18:17:49 GMT -5 Ariel said:

4. He said nothing about Callahan until it was clear he would be exiled and not saved, after which he became vocal in his support of Callahan.

Wasn't this proven false? I thought it had been pointed out that he mentioned Callahan earlier than the chat segment you pulled out.

Ariel, you are going to have to do more to convince me you actually believe the case against Rey. The entirety of your case is based on his actions episode 1 and 2. What about since then?

1. Early bussing?

2. How am I to know whether or not the things he said are legitimate?

3. To save his Spy partner? Your argument here is "Rey wouldn't be that obvious as a Spy", is it not? That's why I called it WIFOM.

4. Mentioned, yes. Expressed an opinion on whether Callahan should be saved or Exiled, no.

Is that better?

[Ariel]

Jun 17, 2009 18:59:21 GMT -5 Roxy said:

Jun 17, 2009 18:52:27 GMT -5 Ariel said:

...Well, I feel like a fool. I didn't even look at who actually posted the scene.

Fail.

What I said about civility applies to you as well, Roxy.

[Rey]

Don't worry Ariel, it makes me feel good that you deem my writing skills as good as Sam's,
although we all know that he is much, much better than me.

[Ariel]

I do, actually, Rey.

[Rey]

That's the sister I like to see.<3

[Jenya]

Ariel, what do you think of Rey's behaviors surrounding the Donald and Faith exiles?

[Ariel]

Regarding the Donald exile, nothing particularly stands out to me. I'll go back and look and see if I can give a more definitive answer.

Regarding the Faith exile, I think Rey was extremely overdramatic, as if he was acting. It was reminiscent of Iris's reaction to the Yvette exile, only Rey was much louder.

[Rey]

Jenya, I was clearly bussing Donald, and my reaction to Faith's exile was obviously fake.
I was hoping that people wouldn't switch off Faith.
I repeatedly asked everyone in the main chat for an explanation of why they were exiling Faith
because I wanted to seem more citizen-like, duh? I mean seriously, what kind of citizen votes a spy AND defends a citizen?

[Rey]

Oh sorry, I forgot about the two other citizens I defended that are now deceased as well.

[Rey]

Oh, and the two other spies I voted for ... damn am I forgetful today.

[Roxy]

Jun 17, 2009 19:11:48 GMT -5 Rey said:

and my reaction to Faith's exile was obviously fake.

And the point of that was...?...To try and look cute or something? I saw the only purpose of it to be distracting of that fact that we just exiled a citizen. Care to enlighten?

[Rey]

Unlike your actions, mine don't always have a pre-planned purpose.

[Georgia]

Better watch it Rey.

To me it seems, Ariel has pulled her suspicions of Rey out of her ass.
If you find someone suspicious, it seems to me that you are going to at least attempt to thoroughly investigate them and at least attempt to think about their actions thoroughly.

But your "case" against Rey is so... short. The questions posed to you, are longer than your answers. It should be reversed.

[Rey]

I'm being kind and not breaking down the case Ariel has posted.
Is that what you mean by watching it ?

[Ariel]

There's no reason to insult me for playing the game differently than you, Georgia.

[Roxy]

Jun 17, 2009 19:20:51 GMT -5 Rey said:

Unlike your actions, mine don't always have a pre-planned purpose.

And how do mine, sir Reymond?

[Ariel]

I don't see anything wrong with my case. I posted the reasons I'm suspicious of Rey, as I was asked to, and I've answered each question put to me clearly and concisely, except Jenya's question regarding the Donald exile which I'm going to go back and look at.

[Jenya]

Jun 17, 2009 19:31:40 GMT -5 Ariel said:

I don't see anything wrong with my case. I posted the reasons I'm suspicious of Rey, as I was asked to, and I've answered each question put to me clearly and concisely, except Jenya's question regarding the Donald exile which I'm going to go back and look at.

I had the same thought as Georgia when I read your thoughts on Rey-Donald and Rey-Faith. I find it difficult to believe you're motivated to stay up until 4AM to post post and yet you don't watch your #1 suspect more carefully than that. You seem totally out of the loop about what he's done since he pushed for Pete.

Have you investigated Rey's involvement in the Yvette exile?

[Rey]

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1. He started the Almathea exile, but tried to back off it at the last second.

You are inferring that when a spy decides to bus their partner, they will stop hours before exile because ___________ .
Fill in the blank for me, please.

2. He defended Jaya by bringing up things Almathea said about her.

1. I wouldn't call it defending, but I did see her in a positive light.
2. It wasn't until the latter part of the episode that I starting thinking she was a citizen.

3. He defended Jaya less obviously by trying to get Pete exiled (with a crap case).

Since Ellis is dead, I can reveal one of the reasons why I doubted my vote on Jaya.
When I sent Ellis a PM about my vote for Jaya, he responded extremely harshly.
This is how our PM conversation went:

(Enter PM conversation when access is restored)

Due to the fact that I trusted Ellis 100%, I definitely second-guessed my choice.

4. He said nothing about Callahan until it was clear he would be exiled and not saved, after which he became vocal in his support of Callahan.

As Georgia stated earlier, I did state that I thought Callahan was a citizen in our team discussion chat.
Not only that, but I was much more focused on protecting Mei Yun.
You should know that, since I confronted you and asked you to save Mei Yun if she was exiled.
Here are chats that I had with people trying to get them to change their minds about Mei Yun:

(Enter chat conversation when access is restored)

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(I can't access my messages/chats at this point in time, but I will gladly edit them in later.)

[Ariel]

If you guys don't believe me, I'd appreciate it if you would just say so, so I could shut up and let the smart people get on with finding the spies.

[Ariel]

Thank you for defending yourself civilly, Rey. I'm going to go away for a while now.

[Boris]

It's not that I don't believe you, I just disagree with your case, as many of the points are rather dated.

[Georgia]

I was referring to your "forgetfullness" Rey.


You don't have to play the same way as other people. I don't think anyone actually expects that.

But the biggest way to finding Spies is to be asking people questions, to follow through on suspicions, to point the finger. Yet when people ask you questions, you seem to immediately put up this wall and accuse everyone of attacking you. Almost like you are looking for an excuse to not answer questions, or to say people are attacking you.


Hell-o!.

This is Spies. People are running around "killing" others at night, we are "hanging" people during the day. If someone is expecting everyone to be nice about the fact that people are "going away", then wrong game. This is not some.. Twiglight Zone, BumFuckEgypt Town from 1950 or 1823 or whatever year. Where they stone people via lottery to keep population under control, and everyone finds it normal, so they don't question it.


I'm sure Zhwan-Yah can supply us all with a Lard ointment. I hear if you rub it on your skin, it toughens it up. Or we can all roll on a hot coal bed. Singe it to a hardened shell.

[Rey]

"The Lottery" .. I remember that short story. An allusion that I actually understand!

[Mirela]

Amelia what kind of evidence do you have on me besides the internet connection business? We've talked only once, and last time I checked you voted for Faith! I bet you can't make good lemon pie like Amelia Bedilia though. The only pie you know how to make is rat poo pie.

Face it you godforsaken elf, you got not nothin on me. Stop trying to reverse the spotlight, if Iris is a spy your going home sistah.

[Jenya]

Jun 17, 2009 19:45:06 GMT -5 Ariel said:

If you guys don't believe me, I'd appreciate it if you would just say so, so I could shut up and let the smart people get on with finding the spies.

I'd appreciate it if you'd answer my questions about Rey and Donald/Yvette/Faith. I asked them civilly.

[Rey]

Now, I think it's fairly obvious that Iris is a Spy. But since we are playing forum mafia and a bandwagon could arise faster than a fat kid reaches for the donut box, I'll refrain from voting.

Funny, I thought you said it was obvious she was a spy.
What harm would a quick bandwagon do? You should watch out on your slips, Levi.

[Georgia]

I think perhaps Levi was reluctant to admit it about Iris; seeing as they both trusted each other quite well.

The same can go for Ariel as well I believe.

Never heard of Bum Fuck Egypt Rey? It means.. a town out in the middle of nowhere. Basically.

[Judge Sam]

Oswald is replaced by Oswald. Please be welcoming.

[Rey]

Welcome Oswald, and thanks for replacing in! Just so you know this is reverse spies.
That means the majority of us are spies and we are trying to find the citizens and exile/imprison them.
Oh, by the way, are you a spy or a citizen? Check in your confessional. I hope it says spy!