Post by Kirsten on Jun 16, 2009 18:28:21 GMT -5
Alright, time for me to address a serious matter here. Iris is a lying scumbag clear citizen and should be immediately removed from the burg warded from imprisonment so we can benefit more from her wisdom. And I intend to explain exactly why.
Imbeciles. Morons. Fools. Spies. How can you be so blind, so stupid. I can simply NOT believe that you would grill Iris so hard on her role, try to force her to somehow slip up, and then to top it all off, I've heard some of you are accusing poor Iris of being a SPY. The nerve! It's clear what this is. It's a damn spy driven mob set to tarnish the name of one of our most beloved citizens and I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT. You want to exile Iris? You blind idiots want to remove a citizen with a ROLE? I wash my hands of the whole ordeal. And I spit on any of you who would seek such shame.
She has been sick. Her laptop battery is dying. And you would take advantage of her in times of strife? How low have you sunk? This isn't a civilized burg of upstanding members of society. Nooooo. No, no, no. This is a tribe of unkempt, bloodthirsty barbarians.
I would apologize for calling you all out for the villains you are but I am just too pissed off right now. Let me proceed by debunking some of these "myths" of Iris being a spy.
spies6iris (9:56:43 PM): Role was anonymous benefactor.
Many of you fools seem skeptical over the claim that she was an "anonymous benefactor?" Since when does Sam name a role anonymous benefactor, I hear you say? Eugenicist. Medic. Punisher. Those are some of the flavorful role names Sam has used in the past. Sam doesn't use a bland utility name like anonymous benefactor. You may think right here is the first place where Iris anonymously benefucked it up.
Oh, but how wrong you all are. How foolish, naive, blind. Sam is a tricky moderator. Do you think he would continue along the naming convention path he has established over 5 games in this series? Hell no he wouldn't! He's flip it around on us in the 6th game just to screw with our minds. Because that's the way he works. He likes to twist it on us just when we thought we figured it out.
Anonymous Benefactor it is.
spies6iris (9:57:37 PM): In day one I got 3 gifts to give people. I wouldn't know if they were Cit or Spy so it was dangerous.
Indeed, that does sound like quite the dangerous predicament Iris found herself faced with. Giving a gift to a spy would clearly lead the burg down the path of damnation. I'm glad Iris was the one granted such an honorable role. I know I would have failed miserably in the same position.
"So she had to use her role day 1", I hear you call out. Naturally. Did you not read what she just said? Clearly reading is beyond you uncivilized lot. "But what about the part where Sam says that role actions don't begin until day 2" you retort.
Also no role actions will happen in Episode 1. They will start in episode 2.
People. Get a grip. Clearly the distribution of gifts is not a "role action." It's simply a facet of her receiving the role. Hah, to think you would even suggest presenting gifts to 3 separate people constitutes a "role action." Clearly none of you are familiar with mafia.
No, no. Iris' role had no actions. And upon completion of her distributions, she no longer was a citizen with a role. Just vanilla. It's simple, and I can't believe none of you see it.
spies6iris (10:00:17 PM): One gift was a role block. One gift was the ability to read a post from someone's confessional.
Final gift was one immunity from Imp.
Immunity from imprisonment. Sure, that sounds like a great tool for the citizens. Roleblock? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to block those nasty spy roles.. Read a post from someone's confessional? Although that does sound like an exceptional tool for a spy to learn information from citizens that they can use to harm the citizen cause, I can definitely see how a citizen would use that to benefit as well. It's certainly plausible.
Ah, but then some of you smarty pants had to suggest this gem:
No your confessional is 100% private between you and me no one else will see any part of it until the game is over.
What a clear trick designed to trap poor Iris. Have you no shame? I'm just glad Iris was able to keep her head on her shoulders through this obvious spy manipulation. You conniving bastards tried to suggest that Iris was lying because one of the aspects of the role she claimed directly contradicted a rule Sam established for the game. What folly.
Thankfully, Iris was able to successfully rebuke this spy-driven advance. Here is what she had to say about it:
Of course, of course Iris. It makes sense. Sam likes to throw twists in all of his roles, and it makes a lot of sense that he would throw the twist in that you needed to lie about the 3 gifts you gave out.
As an aside, I feel like this role should have called the Anonymous Benefactor who must Lie Compulsively. It's a more accurate representation of the role. Clearly one of those twists of Sam. Tricking us into thinking her role is only the giving of 3 gifts, when in reality it also involves directly lying about the giving of those 3 gifts. I mean, God forbid Iris would discuss truthfully the nature of the gifts she gave out. That would be like the ultimate cardinal sin.
Also, it must have just been a moderator oversight, but I feel like Iris' role deserved a citizen upgrade. She didn't get one, and I feel really bad for her, because she had a neat role, but helping us to win the challenges didn't give her any benefit to it. It's really sad. Here's what I think her citizen powerup should have been, and maybe you all can agree or disagree:
I think her upgrade should have been the ability to not have to lie any more about her role. As a prize for the citizens winning the challenge, Iris can now actually tell us the true details of her role, and does not have to deceive us with obvious caught lies. It would have been a fitting prize, and it would prevent poor Iris from having to tell falsehoods against her will. I can just imagine what Judge Sam would say to her: "Iris, as a result of the citizens winning the challenge, you no longer have to show me chat logs of you explicitly lying about the strong gift-giving role I gave you at the beginning of the game. Congratulations, and go team Cit!" It brings a tear to my eye.
Many of you scoundrels didn't "buy" her lie explanation above. You took it a step further. You tried to argue the following piece of stinking refuse: "If Iris' role required her to lie about it, then why would she immediately be able to tell the truth about it afterward? If she had to lie about it, wouldn't she simply have to always lie about it? And if she doesn't have to always lie about it, then why does she only have to lie about it once in an obvious fashion, and then later she can tell the truth as much as she wants. That would in essence be the exact equivalent of her never having to lie about it, except with the completely unnecessary and ungainly clause of her having to lie just once? Why the hell would Sam put an unnecessary lying once clause in her role to take an otherwise plausible role and make it into an inelegant mess?"
But oh, how wrong you all are. Clearly, Iris' role only forces her to lie a single time in an obvious fashion before she is allowed to tell the truth. And, I will now address your assertion that this makes no sense because it is the logical equivalent of her just being able to tell the truth. And that furthermore the raw coincidence of her single, easily caught, lie coinciding perfectly with her getting called out on the inconsistency regarding her claimed actions and the stated rules of the game makes it look like she is scum.
Puleaaaase. Could you bring a weaker accusation to the plate? This is spies. Sam is a tricky guy. He will throw random and completely useless twists that he has no real way to control and that really make absolutely no sense into roles. It's a twist. He likes using twists. God you people are stupid. I don't even know why I bother.
Many of you then moved on to see what gift Donald actually did receive. Iris informs us that Donald's real gift was the following:
You wretches will attempt to use many "logical" arguments to attempt to "tear down" this claim. Well let me tell you all. I'm here to put an end to the BS. No more!
The argument I have seen used here can be broken into 3 component parts. I will systematically destroy all 3 components and then slap you across the face with the pile of scraps that remain. Shall we begin?
1. First of all, the resident naysayer will attempt to make the argument that if Donald really did have the power to swap votes at exile for episode 3 that he would not have used it on Iris, who was wishy-washy about wanting to vote for Yvette anyway. No, you scum of the earth will say that Donald would have used it on someone like myself, or Gabriela, to frame us entirely. You would suggest that if Donald were to swap my vote to Yvette, after I spent a lot of time and energy defending her, that I would come under a metric assload of suspicion the following episode for voting Yvette after defending her constantly. You would then go on to suggest that my assertion that "my vote was swapped to Yvette by someone's role" would fall on deaf ears and I would be fed to the mislynch gods. That's right, you would argue that the correct play for Donald in that situation would be to use his gift on myself or Gabriela, and not only ensure the mislynch on Yvette, but also ensure a mislynch the coming episode as well on a big citizen asset.
To that fallacious logic I say the following: Donald was pressed on time. He didn't know which way was up or down, clearly, based on his inability to know when he voted for Gretchen. The spies by this time had probably caught wind that Iris had a role, and not just any role, but an anonymous benefactor who is forced to also lie compulsively role. Would that not scare the living daylights out of you as a spy? I probably would defecate in my pants immediately upon even hearing rumors of such a citizen role. So clearly they moved to frame Iris into voting Yvette in order to form the early framework they could later use to push her as an exile candidate 2 episodes later. Clearly, this spy driven plan by Donald was successful, since all of you have fallen for his deceit from beyond the grave. Learn to think a little bit, dumbasses.
2. Your next fallacy would be based around chat transcripts like the following:
spies6iris (12:19:51 PM): Yes, that's true, but the word on AIM was that Donald was in the lead...several people, including I think Mirela, and including me, changed our votes to her at the last minute.
You would say that this chat excerpt suggests that Iris is a spy, who voted Yvette at the last minute because she thought Donald was going to get exiled and she didn't want to lose her spy buddy.
spies6iris (12:22:55 PM): Okay, well, it wasn't clear to me, and I struggled with it because I truly didn't want to vote her if she wasn't around to defend herself, but she'd been my top suspect for a week and I wasn't able to vote her the previous time.
spies6iris (12:23:20 PM): I changed my vote at the last minute...Khaled couldn't make up his mind but he chose Amelia at the last minute.
You would say this chat snippet is further proof that Iris changed her vote herself and was not forced into changing her vote via a diabolical move by that spy devil Donald.
spies6iris (7:53:35 PM): I need a drink, guys. I am so upset right now...I take this stuff too seriously, I've got tears in my eyes. Vote me out next week, I'm fucking useless as a Spy hunter.
You would suggest that Iris' dramatic reaction to Yvette being exiled after Iris voted for Yvette is even further proof that Iris did not have her vote swapped by Donald.
That's right. You would attempt to bring all this so called "evidence" against dear Iris in an attempt to shame her. You are all swine. And I hope you die by contracting a deadly related flu.
Of course, this was part of the lie, or have you forgotten? Iris was forced into lying about her role as a twist. So clearly she had to also lie about her motivations for voting Yvette in order to cover up the fact that one of the gifts she gave out was to a spy who used it to force her to vote Yvette against her will! I mean, it's so damn simple, and you all can't understand it. Take off your blinders. Maybe learn some reading comprehension. Read a freaking dictionary.
3. Next you will take this piece of chat:
spies6iris (6:45:48 PM): One of them was an immunity. One of them was an ability to roleblock. And the third, I"m not sure I should say yet because I don't know if it's been used.
And you will use it to suggest that Iris is lying, because if the 3rd thing really was Donald changing her vote to Yvette, she would have known whether or not it had already been used, yet she claims here she didn't know whether or not it would be used.
Yes, you would all accuse Iris of lying. Well, as it turns out, you are absolutely correct. Iris is lying, and she has been lying. Compulsively. Maybe you conveniently "forgot" yet again that Iris has to lie about her role. Yeah, that's right, she has to lie. All these so called "contradictions" and "direct lies" in terms of her role claim are just part of that special twist she got. And you would twist a dagger into the heart of a special citizen of ours. Cold. Heartless. Bastards.
Next, those with blackened souls will take the following idea and attempt to bring down Iris with it:
Here, Iris' role is so powerful that Sam actually held off on assigning other roles until Iris decided where to send off her gifts.
Ah, but here Iris' role is a detriment to the citizens, you scoff.
Or..actually it would help citizens..hmm. You would argue that Iris really having absolutely no clue whatsoever how to define her role other than to waffle between it being a horrible burden on her shoulders to it being the penultimate spies6 role, so powerful that it forced other roles to wait a full extra day, suggests she is a spy who is so deep in over her head that she's basically just using whatever she can possibly latch onto in a lame attempt to survive.
But how wrong you are. How terribly wrong. Iris' role is so powerful. She had 3 gifts--gifts that would shake the very foundations of spies6 they were so game-breaking. And she had to choose recipients for those gifts before she got to knew anyone at all. That was the curse. That was the detriment. How could Iris know choosing Donald would be giving a gift to a spy who would later use it to frame her vote on Yvette that she was forced to lie about as an addendum to balance the raw power of her role? She couldn't have known that day 1. So stop blaming her like she had any control over it. But, her role would also help citizens. It's helping citizens right now. How? Well, I think we can find some spies by looking at the fools who would push Iris on this "evidence" this house built on sand, these unsupported accusations.
spies6Ariel (6:49:48 PM): Iris, has the roleblock been used?
spies6iris (6:50:09 PM): Ariel, yes, I believe so.
spies6iris (10:02:44 PM): Callahan got roleblock, Donald got to read.
Callahan was exiled episode 1
Also no role actions will happen in Episode 1. They will start in episode 2.
Yeah, yeah, we've heard this song and dance before. Using the roleblock doesn't constitute a "role action." It's part of a separate class called "gift actions."
spies6iris (6:56:57 PM): Yes...it sucks. I figured Sam would never make someone whose photo looks like Donald a Spy...remember, I had to choose before I got to know any of you.
I mean, I'd have to agree. Look at Donald's face. Check out that mustache and shady look. He clearly looks like a spy, so clearly he is NOT a spy. I believe I used that same bit of evidence episode 2 to put Donald on my "leaning cit" list. Maybe none of you remember that...eh, not important.
Some of you hooligans argue that Iris was around all day the first episode, and could have picked someone like Robert, or Yvette, or Mei Yun, or Ariel, you know, a vocal player who looks like they will play a strong part in the game to get imprisonment immunity. Instead she went with Amelia.
To that, I rebut: Amelia has nice hair. And she has that exuberant look of a citizen excited to nab some spies. She would be a clear imprisonment choice down the line.
And Callahan? The man is practically praying for a gift. How could Iris turn down a poor old man beseeching her as such? I know I couldn't.
That's right. Judge Sam was policing Iris so hard that she didn't even have a chance to examine any player in the game in any kind of a meaningful fashion before choosing who got what gifts. What a cold, heartless overseer Sam is. Policing Iris like that, and then forcing her to lie about her role and prove it with a chat excerpt before later being able to just tell us the entire truth. Is this a game, or is this a totalitarian state? Looks kind of like the latter.
spies6iris (19:06:27): When did he say we'd get our roles if any? Tomorrow?
Ah yeah, Iris on opening day questioning when we'd get our roles. She's a sneaky one. She already had her role, but what she was really asking was "when is Sam going to give out the roles to everyone else now that I've distributed my gifts and he can ensure that no gift recipient also gets a role?" Such veiled tactics, Iris. The skill this citizen possesses never ceases to astound me. And you would seek to forcefully evict her from the burg? What a farce.
spies6iris (5:49:34 PM): Okay. I'm incredibly frustrated because I truly think Yvette is scum but I won't vote her while she's away.
Iris really doesn't like to vote people who are away, you assert. It's true. Iris doesn't like to do that. It's in poor taste, and it doesn't allow them to defend themselves properly. She's being a responsible citizen here.
But apparently she is fine with voting Donald when he is away, you scoff. Ah, but Iris was jailed. She couldn't have known Donald was away. And her vote makes plenty of sense. Despite harassing Georgia the entire episode, she would have voted for Donald, because even though I made a classic scum move by abandoning the case against him, I still was clearly right about him being a spy. Iris is capable of separating the wheat from the chaff. She was able to easily discern that my classic scum tell was actually not a classic scum tell, but rather a beacon alerting her to vote Donald, who was a likely spy. And you want this citizen dead? She is the epitome of perception and spy hunting and you want her out? Yeah, I get it. You'd rather she not latch on to you. Remove the good citizens while you can spies, and maybe you can still win this game. I understand fully. But I intend to stop this foolish venture.
Ugh, it's just so obvious to me, but I bet none of you imbeciles will "get it." Iris is a citizen. A citizen with a role. This is so obvious. Trying to nail her down with blatant lies, direct contradictions, inconsistencies, her actions making no sense based on her claimed role, her claimed role not making any sense at all, etc. just makes you look like spies. Really, is that small piece of null-tell you call "evidence" enough to get rid of Iris? Think again.
I don't know, we should probably just all vote Gretchen for lurking. Although, any other exile is better than the brutal slaying of a citizen with a power role. So yeah...
IRIS IS A CITIZEN!
Imbeciles. Morons. Fools. Spies. How can you be so blind, so stupid. I can simply NOT believe that you would grill Iris so hard on her role, try to force her to somehow slip up, and then to top it all off, I've heard some of you are accusing poor Iris of being a SPY. The nerve! It's clear what this is. It's a damn spy driven mob set to tarnish the name of one of our most beloved citizens and I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT. You want to exile Iris? You blind idiots want to remove a citizen with a ROLE? I wash my hands of the whole ordeal. And I spit on any of you who would seek such shame.
She has been sick. Her laptop battery is dying. And you would take advantage of her in times of strife? How low have you sunk? This isn't a civilized burg of upstanding members of society. Nooooo. No, no, no. This is a tribe of unkempt, bloodthirsty barbarians.
I would apologize for calling you all out for the villains you are but I am just too pissed off right now. Let me proceed by debunking some of these "myths" of Iris being a spy.
spies6iris (9:56:43 PM): Role was anonymous benefactor.
Many of you fools seem skeptical over the claim that she was an "anonymous benefactor?" Since when does Sam name a role anonymous benefactor, I hear you say? Eugenicist. Medic. Punisher. Those are some of the flavorful role names Sam has used in the past. Sam doesn't use a bland utility name like anonymous benefactor. You may think right here is the first place where Iris anonymously benefucked it up.
Oh, but how wrong you all are. How foolish, naive, blind. Sam is a tricky moderator. Do you think he would continue along the naming convention path he has established over 5 games in this series? Hell no he wouldn't! He's flip it around on us in the 6th game just to screw with our minds. Because that's the way he works. He likes to twist it on us just when we thought we figured it out.
Anonymous Benefactor it is.
spies6iris (9:57:37 PM): In day one I got 3 gifts to give people. I wouldn't know if they were Cit or Spy so it was dangerous.
Indeed, that does sound like quite the dangerous predicament Iris found herself faced with. Giving a gift to a spy would clearly lead the burg down the path of damnation. I'm glad Iris was the one granted such an honorable role. I know I would have failed miserably in the same position.
"So she had to use her role day 1", I hear you call out. Naturally. Did you not read what she just said? Clearly reading is beyond you uncivilized lot. "But what about the part where Sam says that role actions don't begin until day 2" you retort.
People. Get a grip. Clearly the distribution of gifts is not a "role action." It's simply a facet of her receiving the role. Hah, to think you would even suggest presenting gifts to 3 separate people constitutes a "role action." Clearly none of you are familiar with mafia.
No, no. Iris' role had no actions. And upon completion of her distributions, she no longer was a citizen with a role. Just vanilla. It's simple, and I can't believe none of you see it.
spies6iris (10:00:17 PM): One gift was a role block. One gift was the ability to read a post from someone's confessional.
Final gift was one immunity from Imp.
Immunity from imprisonment. Sure, that sounds like a great tool for the citizens. Roleblock? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to block those nasty spy roles.. Read a post from someone's confessional? Although that does sound like an exceptional tool for a spy to learn information from citizens that they can use to harm the citizen cause, I can definitely see how a citizen would use that to benefit as well. It's certainly plausible.
Ah, but then some of you smarty pants had to suggest this gem:
What a clear trick designed to trap poor Iris. Have you no shame? I'm just glad Iris was able to keep her head on her shoulders through this obvious spy manipulation. You conniving bastards tried to suggest that Iris was lying because one of the aspects of the role she claimed directly contradicted a rule Sam established for the game. What folly.
Thankfully, Iris was able to successfully rebuke this spy-driven advance. Here is what she had to say about it:
Rey, to answer your question...yes, you caught me in a lie. Part of the requirements of the role were that I not be allowed to tell the whole story of my role. If I revealed information, I had to purposely make some of it a lie-- a lie I would be relatively easily caught in. I told this lie to both Levi and Rey last night.
The part about Donald being able to read confessionals is the lie I would be easily caught in.
The part about Donald being able to read confessionals is the lie I would be easily caught in.
Of course, of course Iris. It makes sense. Sam likes to throw twists in all of his roles, and it makes a lot of sense that he would throw the twist in that you needed to lie about the 3 gifts you gave out.
As an aside, I feel like this role should have called the Anonymous Benefactor who must Lie Compulsively. It's a more accurate representation of the role. Clearly one of those twists of Sam. Tricking us into thinking her role is only the giving of 3 gifts, when in reality it also involves directly lying about the giving of those 3 gifts. I mean, God forbid Iris would discuss truthfully the nature of the gifts she gave out. That would be like the ultimate cardinal sin.
Also, it must have just been a moderator oversight, but I feel like Iris' role deserved a citizen upgrade. She didn't get one, and I feel really bad for her, because she had a neat role, but helping us to win the challenges didn't give her any benefit to it. It's really sad. Here's what I think her citizen powerup should have been, and maybe you all can agree or disagree:
I think her upgrade should have been the ability to not have to lie any more about her role. As a prize for the citizens winning the challenge, Iris can now actually tell us the true details of her role, and does not have to deceive us with obvious caught lies. It would have been a fitting prize, and it would prevent poor Iris from having to tell falsehoods against her will. I can just imagine what Judge Sam would say to her: "Iris, as a result of the citizens winning the challenge, you no longer have to show me chat logs of you explicitly lying about the strong gift-giving role I gave you at the beginning of the game. Congratulations, and go team Cit!" It brings a tear to my eye.
Many of you scoundrels didn't "buy" her lie explanation above. You took it a step further. You tried to argue the following piece of stinking refuse: "If Iris' role required her to lie about it, then why would she immediately be able to tell the truth about it afterward? If she had to lie about it, wouldn't she simply have to always lie about it? And if she doesn't have to always lie about it, then why does she only have to lie about it once in an obvious fashion, and then later she can tell the truth as much as she wants. That would in essence be the exact equivalent of her never having to lie about it, except with the completely unnecessary and ungainly clause of her having to lie just once? Why the hell would Sam put an unnecessary lying once clause in her role to take an otherwise plausible role and make it into an inelegant mess?"
But oh, how wrong you all are. Clearly, Iris' role only forces her to lie a single time in an obvious fashion before she is allowed to tell the truth. And, I will now address your assertion that this makes no sense because it is the logical equivalent of her just being able to tell the truth. And that furthermore the raw coincidence of her single, easily caught, lie coinciding perfectly with her getting called out on the inconsistency regarding her claimed actions and the stated rules of the game makes it look like she is scum.
Puleaaaase. Could you bring a weaker accusation to the plate? This is spies. Sam is a tricky guy. He will throw random and completely useless twists that he has no real way to control and that really make absolutely no sense into roles. It's a twist. He likes using twists. God you people are stupid. I don't even know why I bother.
Many of you then moved on to see what gift Donald actually did receive. Iris informs us that Donald's real gift was the following:
What I actually gave Donald was the ability to switch a vote in an Exile where he was one of the top 3 candidates. That was the Yvette exile...he switched my vote and Yvette flipped Cit.
You wretches will attempt to use many "logical" arguments to attempt to "tear down" this claim. Well let me tell you all. I'm here to put an end to the BS. No more!
The argument I have seen used here can be broken into 3 component parts. I will systematically destroy all 3 components and then slap you across the face with the pile of scraps that remain. Shall we begin?
1. First of all, the resident naysayer will attempt to make the argument that if Donald really did have the power to swap votes at exile for episode 3 that he would not have used it on Iris, who was wishy-washy about wanting to vote for Yvette anyway. No, you scum of the earth will say that Donald would have used it on someone like myself, or Gabriela, to frame us entirely. You would suggest that if Donald were to swap my vote to Yvette, after I spent a lot of time and energy defending her, that I would come under a metric assload of suspicion the following episode for voting Yvette after defending her constantly. You would then go on to suggest that my assertion that "my vote was swapped to Yvette by someone's role" would fall on deaf ears and I would be fed to the mislynch gods. That's right, you would argue that the correct play for Donald in that situation would be to use his gift on myself or Gabriela, and not only ensure the mislynch on Yvette, but also ensure a mislynch the coming episode as well on a big citizen asset.
To that fallacious logic I say the following: Donald was pressed on time. He didn't know which way was up or down, clearly, based on his inability to know when he voted for Gretchen. The spies by this time had probably caught wind that Iris had a role, and not just any role, but an anonymous benefactor who is forced to also lie compulsively role. Would that not scare the living daylights out of you as a spy? I probably would defecate in my pants immediately upon even hearing rumors of such a citizen role. So clearly they moved to frame Iris into voting Yvette in order to form the early framework they could later use to push her as an exile candidate 2 episodes later. Clearly, this spy driven plan by Donald was successful, since all of you have fallen for his deceit from beyond the grave. Learn to think a little bit, dumbasses.
2. Your next fallacy would be based around chat transcripts like the following:
spies6iris (12:19:51 PM): Yes, that's true, but the word on AIM was that Donald was in the lead...several people, including I think Mirela, and including me, changed our votes to her at the last minute.
You would say that this chat excerpt suggests that Iris is a spy, who voted Yvette at the last minute because she thought Donald was going to get exiled and she didn't want to lose her spy buddy.
spies6iris (12:22:55 PM): Okay, well, it wasn't clear to me, and I struggled with it because I truly didn't want to vote her if she wasn't around to defend herself, but she'd been my top suspect for a week and I wasn't able to vote her the previous time.
spies6iris (12:23:20 PM): I changed my vote at the last minute...Khaled couldn't make up his mind but he chose Amelia at the last minute.
You would say this chat snippet is further proof that Iris changed her vote herself and was not forced into changing her vote via a diabolical move by that spy devil Donald.
spies6iris (7:53:35 PM): I need a drink, guys. I am so upset right now...I take this stuff too seriously, I've got tears in my eyes. Vote me out next week, I'm fucking useless as a Spy hunter.
You would suggest that Iris' dramatic reaction to Yvette being exiled after Iris voted for Yvette is even further proof that Iris did not have her vote swapped by Donald.
That's right. You would attempt to bring all this so called "evidence" against dear Iris in an attempt to shame her. You are all swine. And I hope you die by contracting a deadly related flu.
Of course, this was part of the lie, or have you forgotten? Iris was forced into lying about her role as a twist. So clearly she had to also lie about her motivations for voting Yvette in order to cover up the fact that one of the gifts she gave out was to a spy who used it to force her to vote Yvette against her will! I mean, it's so damn simple, and you all can't understand it. Take off your blinders. Maybe learn some reading comprehension. Read a freaking dictionary.
3. Next you will take this piece of chat:
spies6iris (6:45:48 PM): One of them was an immunity. One of them was an ability to roleblock. And the third, I"m not sure I should say yet because I don't know if it's been used.
And you will use it to suggest that Iris is lying, because if the 3rd thing really was Donald changing her vote to Yvette, she would have known whether or not it had already been used, yet she claims here she didn't know whether or not it would be used.
Yes, you would all accuse Iris of lying. Well, as it turns out, you are absolutely correct. Iris is lying, and she has been lying. Compulsively. Maybe you conveniently "forgot" yet again that Iris has to lie about her role. Yeah, that's right, she has to lie. All these so called "contradictions" and "direct lies" in terms of her role claim are just part of that special twist she got. And you would twist a dagger into the heart of a special citizen of ours. Cold. Heartless. Bastards.
Next, those with blackened souls will take the following idea and attempt to bring down Iris with it:
As for me getting my role on Day One, Sam gave me mine first because the powers I gave might overpower other power roles...in other words, if I gave the roleblock to someone who he gave a roleblocking role too, they might become too powerful. I believe that he waited to assign the rest of the roles until Day Two for that reason.
Here, Iris' role is so powerful that Sam actually held off on assigning other roles until Iris decided where to send off her gifts.
n effect my role is kind of like the Miller in Mafia in a way. It's a detriment to the Citizens
Ah, but here Iris' role is a detriment to the citizens, you scoff.
My role would help Citizens
Or..actually it would help citizens..hmm. You would argue that Iris really having absolutely no clue whatsoever how to define her role other than to waffle between it being a horrible burden on her shoulders to it being the penultimate spies6 role, so powerful that it forced other roles to wait a full extra day, suggests she is a spy who is so deep in over her head that she's basically just using whatever she can possibly latch onto in a lame attempt to survive.
But how wrong you are. How terribly wrong. Iris' role is so powerful. She had 3 gifts--gifts that would shake the very foundations of spies6 they were so game-breaking. And she had to choose recipients for those gifts before she got to knew anyone at all. That was the curse. That was the detriment. How could Iris know choosing Donald would be giving a gift to a spy who would later use it to frame her vote on Yvette that she was forced to lie about as an addendum to balance the raw power of her role? She couldn't have known that day 1. So stop blaming her like she had any control over it. But, her role would also help citizens. It's helping citizens right now. How? Well, I think we can find some spies by looking at the fools who would push Iris on this "evidence" this house built on sand, these unsupported accusations.
spies6Ariel (6:49:48 PM): Iris, has the roleblock been used?
spies6iris (6:50:09 PM): Ariel, yes, I believe so.
spies6iris (10:02:44 PM): Callahan got roleblock, Donald got to read.
Callahan was exiled episode 1
Yeah, yeah, we've heard this song and dance before. Using the roleblock doesn't constitute a "role action." It's part of a separate class called "gift actions."
spies6iris (6:56:57 PM): Yes...it sucks. I figured Sam would never make someone whose photo looks like Donald a Spy...remember, I had to choose before I got to know any of you.
I mean, I'd have to agree. Look at Donald's face. Check out that mustache and shady look. He clearly looks like a spy, so clearly he is NOT a spy. I believe I used that same bit of evidence episode 2 to put Donald on my "leaning cit" list. Maybe none of you remember that...eh, not important.
Some of you hooligans argue that Iris was around all day the first episode, and could have picked someone like Robert, or Yvette, or Mei Yun, or Ariel, you know, a vocal player who looks like they will play a strong part in the game to get imprisonment immunity. Instead she went with Amelia.
To that, I rebut: Amelia has nice hair. And she has that exuberant look of a citizen excited to nab some spies. She would be a clear imprisonment choice down the line.
And Callahan? The man is practically praying for a gift. How could Iris turn down a poor old man beseeching her as such? I know I couldn't.
That's right. Judge Sam was policing Iris so hard that she didn't even have a chance to examine any player in the game in any kind of a meaningful fashion before choosing who got what gifts. What a cold, heartless overseer Sam is. Policing Iris like that, and then forcing her to lie about her role and prove it with a chat excerpt before later being able to just tell us the entire truth. Is this a game, or is this a totalitarian state? Looks kind of like the latter.
spies6iris (19:06:27): When did he say we'd get our roles if any? Tomorrow?
Ah yeah, Iris on opening day questioning when we'd get our roles. She's a sneaky one. She already had her role, but what she was really asking was "when is Sam going to give out the roles to everyone else now that I've distributed my gifts and he can ensure that no gift recipient also gets a role?" Such veiled tactics, Iris. The skill this citizen possesses never ceases to astound me. And you would seek to forcefully evict her from the burg? What a farce.
spies6iris (5:49:34 PM): Okay. I'm incredibly frustrated because I truly think Yvette is scum but I won't vote her while she's away.
Kirsten, you make a case against Donald, throw a fit that others don't follow up on it, and then vote Levi?
I have a real, real problem with this (and yes, I know you already made a case on Levi). I was going to vote you over it, until I saw you saying you won't be here to defend yourself. But that is a classic scum move...starting a bandwagon. then moving your vote to someone who is in no danger of getting lynched?
I have a real, real problem with this (and yes, I know you already made a case on Levi). I was going to vote you over it, until I saw you saying you won't be here to defend yourself. But that is a classic scum move...starting a bandwagon. then moving your vote to someone who is in no danger of getting lynched?
Iris really doesn't like to vote people who are away, you assert. It's true. Iris doesn't like to do that. It's in poor taste, and it doesn't allow them to defend themselves properly. She's being a responsible citizen here.
f I were able to vote today I'd be voting Donald because he was closer to Exile than Amelia.
But apparently she is fine with voting Donald when he is away, you scoff. Ah, but Iris was jailed. She couldn't have known Donald was away. And her vote makes plenty of sense. Despite harassing Georgia the entire episode, she would have voted for Donald, because even though I made a classic scum move by abandoning the case against him, I still was clearly right about him being a spy. Iris is capable of separating the wheat from the chaff. She was able to easily discern that my classic scum tell was actually not a classic scum tell, but rather a beacon alerting her to vote Donald, who was a likely spy. And you want this citizen dead? She is the epitome of perception and spy hunting and you want her out? Yeah, I get it. You'd rather she not latch on to you. Remove the good citizens while you can spies, and maybe you can still win this game. I understand fully. But I intend to stop this foolish venture.
Ugh, it's just so obvious to me, but I bet none of you imbeciles will "get it." Iris is a citizen. A citizen with a role. This is so obvious. Trying to nail her down with blatant lies, direct contradictions, inconsistencies, her actions making no sense based on her claimed role, her claimed role not making any sense at all, etc. just makes you look like spies. Really, is that small piece of null-tell you call "evidence" enough to get rid of Iris? Think again.
I don't know, we should probably just all vote Gretchen for lurking. Although, any other exile is better than the brutal slaying of a citizen with a power role. So yeah...
IRIS IS A CITIZEN!
