Post by Tiberius on Jul 8, 2009 4:19:08 GMT -5
Hey guys. I know I haven’t been contributing much lately. As most of you know, I have a midnight limit on my internet connection. So last night, while my internet off, I couldn’t sleep and got board. Decided to look over my private chats with the confirmed spies and post interesting excerpts that are relevant around now.
Seems here that Almathea, and this was before she was getting all that much heat so a bus wouldn’t make much sense, was trying to take advantage of Jenya being my top suspect to flatter me into helping her go after Jenya. It worked, obviously. But more important than her motives is that it is a pretty good plus in the Jenya is a Citizen column. Seeing this again makes me more confident that Jenya is a citizen.
OK. Iris… tragically and slightly hilarious this is all I have with her.
… that was really the only conversation I ever had with her, doesn’t tell us much does it XD
Jaya:
- Really wish I had read my stuff with her earlier, she keeps trying to bring up Yvette to me, and had I realized what that meant around the time I was pushing Yvette’s exile... Eh… hindsight, 20/20, you know the deal.
Here’s a long conversation I had with her after the Almathea exile but, obviously, before her own
Not entirely sure what to draw from all of that rable, but she brings up a lot of people who are actually still alive in various ways. Nothing solid enough to call anything an attempt to move something against those people, so I’m not sure if anything she says makes anyone more or less citizen… anyone else notice anything? I’ll do my best here… Jaya was really good at avoiding saying anything specific about people, and just dealing in generalities. But she does mention liking the Levi case before it really gaining much steam. [Or at least I think it was before it gained steam]. She also avoids Georgia when I bring her up, but then brings her up herself later. Brings up Roxy, doesn’t commit either way on her it seems. Switches conversation to Georgia when she realizes I’m not interested in going after Roxy. Can’t tell if her getting votes wrong is genuine or not, but she tries to point out a Kirsten inconsistency, then retracts when she “realizes her mistakes”, what might that mean? THEN she sorta insinuates Kirsten should have posted her Levi case earlier, but when I say that if Levi flips citizen it’ll be bad for Kirsten she says she doesn’t agree. I’m very confused about her stance on Kirsten here. When I drift off for a bit, she brings up Levi again.
I can’t draw any conclusions from this blurb, but I wanted to show you all anything where any spies mention anyone still in the game.
Here she takes a stronger stance against Rey’s Pete case. Which seems SO weird because I assume she must have know she was a top exile target. Why would she stop any other bandwagon from starting I wonder? Last minute distancing maybe? It confuzzles me.
[WHILE I AM TALKING TO HER ABOUT THE FACT THAT I AM PROBABLY VOTING FOR HER FOR VOTING ALONGSIDE ALMATHEA SHE SAYS THAT SHE WASN’T AROUND FOR THE ALMA FREAKOUT AS HER ONLY DEFENSE, AND THEN]
Probable cit points for Jenya there yes?
Last relevant thing she mentions this to me. This is right after telling me her vote is probably going to Ed and why. Seems to be possible plus cit points for Gretch. But also since this is after Jaya knows she’s a possible target maybe the opposite.
Donald
Like Iris turns out I only chatted with Donald once. He started out by trying to seem helpful by mentioning that I should check out the team chat I missed.
Here we talk about the fact that he had asked me to come online somewhere in the Burg, and what he wanted to show me.
Doesn’t tell me much about Roxy either way. Tells me more that Donald was very good at ACTING helpful than much about Roxy.
Then, this is the only other relevant piece I have of the chat.
spies6tiberius (9:52:11 PM):you were on a team with her so
spies6tiberius (9:52:13 PM):i'll ask
spies6tiberius (9:52:20 PM):what are your thoughts on georgia?
spies6donald (9:52:51 PM):I've had a neutral feeling about her from the first exile, but after the team chat, I had a strong cit feeling on her
spies6donald (9:53:06 PM):She had strong, well thought out opinions and explained her stance with support
spies6donald (9:53:17 PM):There's apparently been a case made against her on the baords, I hear, but I haven't seen any of it yet
spies6tiberius (9:54:53 PM):alright spies6tiberius (9:54:57 PM):thank you that actually helps a lot
Not sure what it says about Georgia.
That’s it guys. I think it’d be helpful and useful if everyone did this by the way. I also thought of going through my stuff with Paris but since Paris didn’t know for sure who were spies and who were cits so I decided it useless, but I actually have some stuff with him. I will now be going to bed.
spies6almathea (6:57:22 PM):but last night, paris really did a good job at generating discussion
spies6almathea (6:57:29 PM):i want to do the same but on our team forum!
spies6almathea (6:57:52 PM):like i want a thread i can check on through the day (i cant make it on til late the next few days) spies6almathea (6:57:58 PM):im formulating a plan
spies6almathea (6:58:01 PM)
MAH! spies6almathea (6:58:28 PM):also - jenya;
spies6tiberius (6:58:38 PM)
one sec, catching up on lots of things
spies6almathea (6:58:44 PM):the more i discuss her (to ed) the more strange her actions were last night
spies6almathea (6:58:48 PM):i want to exploit that
spies6tiberius (6:58:58 PM):did you read my team forum psot?
spies6tiberius (6:59:01 PM):i mentioned jenya
spies6almathea (6:59:27 PM):ye then i was talking to ed saying how i thought her outburst was citizeny, then i explained the context
spies6almathea (6:59:29 PM):and it hit me
spies6almathea (6:59:32 PM):wtf was she doing??
spies6almathea (6:59:46 PM):like she really reacted badly
spies6almathea (7:00:11 PM):she went from giving bath massages to fighting
spies6tiberius (7:01:05 PM):si si si
spies6tiberius (7:01:07 PM):that's what i said
spies6tiberius (7:01:09 PM):or
spies6tiberius (7:01:10 PM):similar
spies6almathea (7:04:14 PM):right i want to ask a question; pose it to everyone on our team spies6almathea (7:04:18 PM):but gear it toward jenya
spies6almathea (7:04:21 PM):see her response spies6tiberius (7:04:33 PM):you need help or something?
spies6almathea (7:04:48 PM):well, yes, because i tried to stimulate conversation with my inactive one! spies6almathea (7:04:53 PM):but it sucked majorly spies6almathea (7:05:06 PM):actually stay focsed on main caht spies6almathea (7:05:12 PM):we'll talk later! spies6almathea (7:05:15 PM):i gotta fill out my list
spies6almathea (6:57:29 PM):i want to do the same but on our team forum!
spies6almathea (6:57:52 PM):like i want a thread i can check on through the day (i cant make it on til late the next few days) spies6almathea (6:57:58 PM):im formulating a plan
spies6almathea (6:58:01 PM)
MAH! spies6almathea (6:58:28 PM):also - jenya; spies6tiberius (6:58:38 PM)
one sec, catching up on lots of things spies6almathea (6:58:44 PM):the more i discuss her (to ed) the more strange her actions were last night
spies6almathea (6:58:48 PM):i want to exploit that
spies6tiberius (6:58:58 PM):did you read my team forum psot?
spies6tiberius (6:59:01 PM):i mentioned jenya
spies6almathea (6:59:27 PM):ye then i was talking to ed saying how i thought her outburst was citizeny, then i explained the context
spies6almathea (6:59:29 PM):and it hit me
spies6almathea (6:59:32 PM):wtf was she doing??
spies6almathea (6:59:46 PM):like she really reacted badly
spies6almathea (7:00:11 PM):she went from giving bath massages to fighting
spies6tiberius (7:01:05 PM):si si si
spies6tiberius (7:01:07 PM):that's what i said
spies6tiberius (7:01:09 PM):or
spies6tiberius (7:01:10 PM):similar
spies6almathea (7:04:14 PM):right i want to ask a question; pose it to everyone on our team spies6almathea (7:04:18 PM):but gear it toward jenya
spies6almathea (7:04:21 PM):see her response spies6tiberius (7:04:33 PM):you need help or something?
spies6almathea (7:04:48 PM):well, yes, because i tried to stimulate conversation with my inactive one! spies6almathea (7:04:53 PM):but it sucked majorly spies6almathea (7:05:06 PM):actually stay focsed on main caht spies6almathea (7:05:12 PM):we'll talk later! spies6almathea (7:05:15 PM):i gotta fill out my list
spies6almathea (7:26:35 PM):lol spies6almathea (7:26:47 PM):i was thinking; maybe asking everyone to categorise everyone on our team spies6almathea (7:27:09 PM):and see jenya's thought on why she finds rey suspicious spies6almathea (7:27:28 PM):like i dont name the categories - but i say categorise everyone spies6almathea (7:27:40 PM):see if people do it based on personalities, activity, proactivity etc spies6tiberius (7:27:42 PM):yeah, we already have two who have doen so spies6tiberius (7:27:45 PM):*done spies6tiberius (7:27:47 PM):me and pete spies6tiberius (7:27:48 PM)
spies6tiberius (7:27:48 PM) spies6almathea (7:27:51 PM):no thats a list! spies6tiberius (7:27:52 PM) that's more detailed spies6tiberius (7:27:54 PM):yeah spies6almathea (7:28:08 PM):maybe just ask for small descriptions to make it easier! spies6almathea (7:28:11 PM):i done my list there spies6almathea (7:28:34 PM):oh i was thinking your thoughts would come up about my am i really ditzy lol spies6almathea (7:28:53 PM):i am a bit - but its more circumstances that have lead to my not quite being there lol spies6tiberius (7:29:33 PM):alrighty spies6tiberius (7:29:41 PM):i was wondering if that was an act or not spies6tiberius (7:42:04 PM):hmm.. spies6tiberius (7:42:10 PM):jenya... is very spy-y alma spies6tiberius (7:42:14 PM):very spy-y spies6almathea (7:48:01 PM):whoa spies6almathea (7:48:05 PM):did not see this convo spies6almathea (7:48:18 PM):yes i agree, i just talked to her there spies6almathea (7:48:22 PM):and it was kind of fluff? spies6almathea (7:48:33 PM): spies6almathea (00:42:27): i basically missed that chat
spies6Jenya (00:42:43): Rey was annyoing and condescending, as usual.
]spies6almathea (00:42:44): and wanna here from you what happened else it wudnt be fair!
spies6Jenya (00:43:07): And I don't think I learned a thing from him.
spies6almathea (00:44:07): my head is too fuzzy for this
spies6almathea (00:44:16): rey should drop the character
spies6Jenya (00:44:19): I agree.
spies6Jenya (00:44:22): It's getting old. spies6tiberius (7:49:04 PM):yeah i agree that that is fluffy spies6tiberius (7:49:19 PM):interesting spies6almathea (7:49:34 PM):like she could have said alot more spies6tiberius (7:49:46 PM):spy trying to get rid of one of our active and somewhat leaderish cits? spies6tiberius (7:52:34 PM):yet she isn't trying to actually GET RID OF HIM spies6tiberius (7:52:37 PM):which is interesting spies6tiberius (7:52:44 PM):maybe she just genuinly dislikes him spies6tiberius (7:52:47 PM):i dont know... spies6almathea (7:59:33 PM):we're talking loads now spies6almathea (7:59:38 PM):i did leave her hanging in convo spies6tiberius (8:00:22 PM):happens, sometimes you need to read things spies6tiberius (8:00:25 PM):elsewhere
spies6tiberius (7:27:48 PM) spies6almathea (7:27:51 PM):no thats a list! spies6tiberius (7:27:52 PM) that's more detailed spies6tiberius (7:27:54 PM):yeah spies6almathea (7:28:08 PM):maybe just ask for small descriptions to make it easier! spies6almathea (7:28:11 PM):i done my list there spies6almathea (7:28:34 PM):oh i was thinking your thoughts would come up about my am i really ditzy lol spies6almathea (7:28:53 PM):i am a bit - but its more circumstances that have lead to my not quite being there lol spies6tiberius (7:29:33 PM):alrighty spies6tiberius (7:29:41 PM):i was wondering if that was an act or not spies6tiberius (7:42:04 PM):hmm.. spies6tiberius (7:42:10 PM):jenya... is very spy-y alma spies6tiberius (7:42:14 PM):very spy-y spies6almathea (7:48:01 PM):whoa spies6almathea (7:48:05 PM):did not see this convo spies6almathea (7:48:18 PM):yes i agree, i just talked to her there spies6almathea (7:48:22 PM):and it was kind of fluff? spies6almathea (7:48:33 PM): spies6almathea (00:42:27): i basically missed that chat spies6Jenya (00:42:43): Rey was annyoing and condescending, as usual.
]spies6almathea (00:42:44): and wanna here from you what happened else it wudnt be fair!
spies6Jenya (00:43:07): And I don't think I learned a thing from him.
spies6almathea (00:44:07): my head is too fuzzy for this
spies6almathea (00:44:16): rey should drop the character
spies6Jenya (00:44:19): I agree.
spies6Jenya (00:44:22): It's getting old. spies6tiberius (7:49:04 PM):yeah i agree that that is fluffy spies6tiberius (7:49:19 PM):interesting spies6almathea (7:49:34 PM):like she could have said alot more spies6tiberius (7:49:46 PM):spy trying to get rid of one of our active and somewhat leaderish cits? spies6tiberius (7:52:34 PM):yet she isn't trying to actually GET RID OF HIM spies6tiberius (7:52:37 PM):which is interesting spies6tiberius (7:52:44 PM):maybe she just genuinly dislikes him spies6tiberius (7:52:47 PM):i dont know... spies6almathea (7:59:33 PM):we're talking loads now spies6almathea (7:59:38 PM):i did leave her hanging in convo spies6tiberius (8:00:22 PM):happens, sometimes you need to read things spies6tiberius (8:00:25 PM):elsewhere
Seems here that Almathea, and this was before she was getting all that much heat so a bus wouldn’t make much sense, was trying to take advantage of Jenya being my top suspect to flatter me into helping her go after Jenya. It worked, obviously. But more important than her motives is that it is a pretty good plus in the Jenya is a Citizen column. Seeing this again makes me more confident that Jenya is a citizen.
OK. Iris… tragically and slightly hilarious this is all I have with her.
spies6tiberius (6:54:53 PM):hi iris
spies6iris (6:55:39 PM):Hi! Just warning you, I'm floating back and forth between cooking dinner and playing. How's it going?
spies6tiberius (6:56:53 PM):it's cool i just imed everyone in the game so i'll be slow too
spies6tiberius (6:56:59 PM):i'm doing alright, trying to catch up
spies6iris (6:57:00 PM):Okay.
spies6iris signed off at 7:37:50 PM
spies6iris (6:55:39 PM):Hi! Just warning you, I'm floating back and forth between cooking dinner and playing. How's it going?
spies6tiberius (6:56:53 PM):it's cool i just imed everyone in the game so i'll be slow too
spies6tiberius (6:56:59 PM):i'm doing alright, trying to catch up
spies6iris (6:57:00 PM):Okay.
spies6iris signed off at 7:37:50 PM
… that was really the only conversation I ever had with her, doesn’t tell us much does it XD
Jaya:
- Really wish I had read my stuff with her earlier, she keeps trying to bring up Yvette to me, and had I realized what that meant around the time I was pushing Yvette’s exile... Eh… hindsight, 20/20, you know the deal.
Here’s a long conversation I had with her after the Almathea exile but, obviously, before her own
spies6jaya (8:19:36 PM):so have you talked to any of our new teammates yet
spies6jaya (8:19:56 PM):they're all pretty much a mystery to me
spies6jaya (8:20:07 PM):aside from yvette who you can't miss
spies6tiberius (8:20:10 PM):talked with georgia some today
spies6tiberius (8:20:14 PM):who's... weird
spies6tiberius (8:20:20 PM):i dunno exactly what to think
spies6tiberius (8:20:32 PM):and yes, you dont need to speak with yvette to notice her XD
spies6jaya (8:21:56 PM):has roxy been around -- i'm still not sure of the reasons they
spies6jaya (8:22:03 PM):had for exiling her the first time
spies6jaya (8:22:20 PM):and whether those are still valid
spies6tiberius (8:23:40 PM):she hasn't shown up at all
spies6tiberius (8:23:51 PM):though i made a little post about my quick read on her in the burgly burg
spies6jaya (8:24:14 PM):i need to go look...
spies6jaya (8:25:08 PM):wow yvettes signature is going to get old quick
spies6tiberius (8:25:18 PM):LOL
spies6tiberius (8:25:19 PM):yeah
spies6tiberius (8:25:27 PM):that yvette...
spies6tiberius (8:28:42 PM):it's not groundbreaking what i said by any means, but it's my stance on her for now
spies6jaya (8:29:42 PM):i'm not finding your post tib
spies6tiberius (8:29:57 PM):posted in the roxy thread in our team forum
spies6jaya (8:33:27 PM):so you think roxy's ok?
spies6jaya (8:33:57 PM):i'd sure like to see more of her
spies6tiberius (8:34:28 PM):yeah
spies6tiberius (8:34:31 PM):i just think she's new
spies6tiberius (8:34:36 PM):and a little emotional
spies6jaya (8:35:14 PM):it's odd that GA now thinks she looks cit, didn't she vote for her
spies6jaya (8:35:35 PM):or not ... i haven't checked
spies6tiberius (8:36:20 PM):wait
spies6tiberius (8:36:22 PM):GA?
spies6jaya (8:36:45 PM):Georgia
spies6jaya (8:37:33 PM):oh no just checked GA voted for mei
spies6tiberius (8:37:42 PM):yeah
spies6tiberius (8:37:49 PM):georgia is still pushing mei a bit
spies6jaya (8:37:53 PM):roxy voters were Gretchen, mei, levi, boris
spies6jaya (8:38:11 PM):hmm well that does make roxy look better
spies6jaya (8:38:39 PM):i think kirsten's case against levi looks pretty good
spies6jaya (8:39:04 PM):although odd now that i'm looking that kirsten voted for amelia
spies6tiberius (8:39:23 PM):yeah
spies6tiberius (8:39:28 PM):that is a weird inconsistency
spies6tiberius (8:39:33 PM):but the levi case is ASTONISHGLY good
spies6jaya (8:40:02 PM):oh wait!
spies6jaya (8:40:08 PM):i've got this mixed up
spies6jaya (8:40:15 PM):amelia voted for Kirsten
spies6jaya (8:40:26 PM):kirsten voted for levi -- consistent
spies6tiberius (8:40:57 PM):ok
spies6tiberius (8:41:03 PM):well that makes more sense then
spies6tiberius (8:41:07 PM):weird vote from amelia
spies6jaya (8:41:59 PM):yeah, but i'm not sure who i would have voted for over there
spies6jaya (8:42:10 PM):but probably not kirsten
spies6jaya (8:42:49 PM):tho her case against levi was not quite so good a few days ago, or surely it would have been levi instead of roxy
spies6tiberius (8:43:11 PM):if levi goes
spies6tiberius (8:43:15 PM):and flips citizen
spies6tiberius (8:43:22 PM):that'd be very bad news for Kirsten
spies6jaya (8:43:32 PM):hmm not so sure
spies6jaya (8:43:42 PM):her case looks good
spies6jaya (8:44:13 PM):if she got fooled by a cit playing that weirdly, i'm not sure i'd blame her
spies6jaya (8:44:34 PM):but would certainly start taking 2nd looks
spies6tiberius (8:44:35 PM):yeah
spies6tiberius (8:44:43 PM):it's the same reason i dont suspect Yvette
spies6tiberius (8:44:48 PM):for starting the call case
spies6tiberius (8:44:54 PM):but i dunno
spies6tiberius (8:45:00 PM):this is different
spies6tiberius (8:45:08 PM):the levi case is STRONG
spies6tiberius (8:45:13 PM):butt....
spies6tiberius (8:45:28 PM):hmmm
spies6tiberius (8:45:33 PM):let me think for a sec
spies6jaya (8:49:50 PM):levi's defense of "I never saw the alma votes coming" makes good sense to me
spies6jaya (8:50:10 PM):but that's actually not part of kirsten's case -- it was a rey add-on
spies6tiberius (8:51:16 PM):yeah
spies6tiberius (8:51:25 PM):so all the parts of the main case still seem rather solid... interesting
spies6tiberius (8:51:41 PM):ugh like i said to like everyone, all the good suspects are over THERE
spies6jaya (8:52:18 PM):it sure seems like, but we must have spies in our group -- they're just getting under the radar
spies6jaya (8:52:58 PM):the other group has to decide between at least 2 good suspects spies6jaya (8:53:10 PM):and we're still looking around for a suspect
spies6jaya (8:53:15 PM):i'm not sure about rey
spies6jaya (8:53:22 PM):'s case on paris
spies6tiberius (8:53:22 PM):so you like the paris case too?
spies6tiberius (8:53:24 PM):oooo
spies6tiberius (8:53:24 PM):ok
spies6jaya (8:53:46 PM):it doesn't seem quite as solid
spies6jaya (8:54:23 PM):odd -- cause paris turned out to me the only vote for me
spies6jaya (8:54:37 PM):i was talking with jason about it yesterday tho
spies6jaya (8:55:06 PM):and he didn't remember seeing paris in the chat where alma totally flipped out
spies6tiberius (8:55:21 PM):he wasn't there
spies6tiberius (8:55:25 PM):i remember
spies6tiberius (8:56:10 PM):i must
spies6tiberius (8:56:11 PM):now exit
spies6jaya (8:56:16 PM):so i can't really hold that against him
spies6jaya (8:56:22 PM):gn tib cy later
spies6jaya (8:19:56 PM):they're all pretty much a mystery to me
spies6jaya (8:20:07 PM):aside from yvette who you can't miss
spies6tiberius (8:20:10 PM):talked with georgia some today
spies6tiberius (8:20:14 PM):who's... weird
spies6tiberius (8:20:20 PM):i dunno exactly what to think
spies6tiberius (8:20:32 PM):and yes, you dont need to speak with yvette to notice her XD
spies6jaya (8:21:56 PM):has roxy been around -- i'm still not sure of the reasons they
spies6jaya (8:22:03 PM):had for exiling her the first time
spies6jaya (8:22:20 PM):and whether those are still valid
spies6tiberius (8:23:40 PM):she hasn't shown up at all
spies6tiberius (8:23:51 PM):though i made a little post about my quick read on her in the burgly burg
spies6jaya (8:24:14 PM):i need to go look...
spies6jaya (8:25:08 PM):wow yvettes signature is going to get old quick
spies6tiberius (8:25:18 PM):LOL
spies6tiberius (8:25:19 PM):yeah
spies6tiberius (8:25:27 PM):that yvette...
spies6tiberius (8:28:42 PM):it's not groundbreaking what i said by any means, but it's my stance on her for now
spies6jaya (8:29:42 PM):i'm not finding your post tib
spies6tiberius (8:29:57 PM):posted in the roxy thread in our team forum
spies6jaya (8:33:27 PM):so you think roxy's ok?
spies6jaya (8:33:57 PM):i'd sure like to see more of her
spies6tiberius (8:34:28 PM):yeah
spies6tiberius (8:34:31 PM):i just think she's new
spies6tiberius (8:34:36 PM):and a little emotional
spies6jaya (8:35:14 PM):it's odd that GA now thinks she looks cit, didn't she vote for her
spies6jaya (8:35:35 PM):or not ... i haven't checked
spies6tiberius (8:36:20 PM):wait
spies6tiberius (8:36:22 PM):GA?
spies6jaya (8:36:45 PM):Georgia
spies6jaya (8:37:33 PM):oh no just checked GA voted for mei
spies6tiberius (8:37:42 PM):yeah
spies6tiberius (8:37:49 PM):georgia is still pushing mei a bit
spies6jaya (8:37:53 PM):roxy voters were Gretchen, mei, levi, boris
spies6jaya (8:38:11 PM):hmm well that does make roxy look better
spies6jaya (8:38:39 PM):i think kirsten's case against levi looks pretty good
spies6jaya (8:39:04 PM):although odd now that i'm looking that kirsten voted for amelia
spies6tiberius (8:39:23 PM):yeah
spies6tiberius (8:39:28 PM):that is a weird inconsistency
spies6tiberius (8:39:33 PM):but the levi case is ASTONISHGLY good
spies6jaya (8:40:02 PM):oh wait!
spies6jaya (8:40:08 PM):i've got this mixed up
spies6jaya (8:40:15 PM):amelia voted for Kirsten
spies6jaya (8:40:26 PM):kirsten voted for levi -- consistent
spies6tiberius (8:40:57 PM):ok
spies6tiberius (8:41:03 PM):well that makes more sense then
spies6tiberius (8:41:07 PM):weird vote from amelia
spies6jaya (8:41:59 PM):yeah, but i'm not sure who i would have voted for over there
spies6jaya (8:42:10 PM):but probably not kirsten
spies6jaya (8:42:49 PM):tho her case against levi was not quite so good a few days ago, or surely it would have been levi instead of roxy
spies6tiberius (8:43:11 PM):if levi goes
spies6tiberius (8:43:15 PM):and flips citizen
spies6tiberius (8:43:22 PM):that'd be very bad news for Kirsten
spies6jaya (8:43:32 PM):hmm not so sure
spies6jaya (8:43:42 PM):her case looks good
spies6jaya (8:44:13 PM):if she got fooled by a cit playing that weirdly, i'm not sure i'd blame her
spies6jaya (8:44:34 PM):but would certainly start taking 2nd looks
spies6tiberius (8:44:35 PM):yeah
spies6tiberius (8:44:43 PM):it's the same reason i dont suspect Yvette
spies6tiberius (8:44:48 PM):for starting the call case
spies6tiberius (8:44:54 PM):but i dunno
spies6tiberius (8:45:00 PM):this is different
spies6tiberius (8:45:08 PM):the levi case is STRONG
spies6tiberius (8:45:13 PM):butt....
spies6tiberius (8:45:28 PM):hmmm
spies6tiberius (8:45:33 PM):let me think for a sec
spies6jaya (8:49:50 PM):levi's defense of "I never saw the alma votes coming" makes good sense to me
spies6jaya (8:50:10 PM):but that's actually not part of kirsten's case -- it was a rey add-on
spies6tiberius (8:51:16 PM):yeah
spies6tiberius (8:51:25 PM):so all the parts of the main case still seem rather solid... interesting
spies6tiberius (8:51:41 PM):ugh like i said to like everyone, all the good suspects are over THERE
spies6jaya (8:52:18 PM):it sure seems like, but we must have spies in our group -- they're just getting under the radar
spies6jaya (8:52:58 PM):the other group has to decide between at least 2 good suspects spies6jaya (8:53:10 PM):and we're still looking around for a suspect
spies6jaya (8:53:15 PM):i'm not sure about rey
spies6jaya (8:53:22 PM):'s case on paris
spies6tiberius (8:53:22 PM):so you like the paris case too?
spies6tiberius (8:53:24 PM):oooo
spies6tiberius (8:53:24 PM):ok
spies6jaya (8:53:46 PM):it doesn't seem quite as solid
spies6jaya (8:54:23 PM):odd -- cause paris turned out to me the only vote for me
spies6jaya (8:54:37 PM):i was talking with jason about it yesterday tho
spies6jaya (8:55:06 PM):and he didn't remember seeing paris in the chat where alma totally flipped out
spies6tiberius (8:55:21 PM):he wasn't there
spies6tiberius (8:55:25 PM):i remember
spies6tiberius (8:56:10 PM):i must
spies6tiberius (8:56:11 PM):now exit
spies6jaya (8:56:16 PM):so i can't really hold that against him
spies6jaya (8:56:22 PM):gn tib cy later
Not entirely sure what to draw from all of that rable, but she brings up a lot of people who are actually still alive in various ways. Nothing solid enough to call anything an attempt to move something against those people, so I’m not sure if anything she says makes anyone more or less citizen… anyone else notice anything? I’ll do my best here… Jaya was really good at avoiding saying anything specific about people, and just dealing in generalities. But she does mention liking the Levi case before it really gaining much steam. [Or at least I think it was before it gained steam]. She also avoids Georgia when I bring her up, but then brings her up herself later. Brings up Roxy, doesn’t commit either way on her it seems. Switches conversation to Georgia when she realizes I’m not interested in going after Roxy. Can’t tell if her getting votes wrong is genuine or not, but she tries to point out a Kirsten inconsistency, then retracts when she “realizes her mistakes”, what might that mean? THEN she sorta insinuates Kirsten should have posted her Levi case earlier, but when I say that if Levi flips citizen it’ll be bad for Kirsten she says she doesn’t agree. I’m very confused about her stance on Kirsten here. When I drift off for a bit, she brings up Levi again.
spies6jaya (10:09:18 PM):rey is encouraging me to vote for pete
spies6jaya (10:09:25 PM):what do you know about this?
spies6tiberius (10:09:37 PM):well
spies6tiberius (10:09:49 PM) :honestly the case seems weak to me
spies6jaya (10:10:28 PM):hmm and i asked rey why he didn't post case in the thread
spies6tiberius (10:10:51 PM):i will await his response, because that's a good question
spies6jaya (10:09:25 PM):what do you know about this?
spies6tiberius (10:09:37 PM):well
spies6tiberius (10:09:49 PM) :honestly the case seems weak to me
spies6jaya (10:10:28 PM):hmm and i asked rey why he didn't post case in the thread
spies6tiberius (10:10:51 PM):i will await his response, because that's a good question
I can’t draw any conclusions from this blurb, but I wanted to show you all anything where any spies mention anyone still in the game.
spies6jaya (10:13:52 PM):so who are you voting?
spies6jaya (10:14:03 PM):my vote has been on ed
spies6tiberius (10:15:59 PM):you, gretchen, or pete, rey's pete case just got more convicing
spies6jaya (10:16:13 PM):really?
spies6tiberius (10:16:30 PM):on the "you" or the pete?
spies6jaya (10:16:57 PM):more convincing, really?
spies6tiberius (10:17:29 PM):he showed me
spies6tiberius (10:17:40 PM):some chats between pete and paris
spies6jaya (10:18:21 PM):yeah, i think he sent those to me 2, but they hardly seem convincing
spies6jaya (10:18:33 PM):and i still wonder why he isn't posting in the burg
spies6tiberius (10:18:41 PM):says it's because it's too close
spies6tiberius (10:18:45 PM):to exile
spies6jaya (10:21:18 PM):these last minute changes make me verrrry nervous
spies6jaya (10:22:13 PM):particularly when nothing is posted, and people are not allowed to defend themselves
spies6jaya (10:14:03 PM):my vote has been on ed
spies6tiberius (10:15:59 PM):you, gretchen, or pete, rey's pete case just got more convicing
spies6jaya (10:16:13 PM):really?
spies6tiberius (10:16:30 PM):on the "you" or the pete?
spies6jaya (10:16:57 PM):more convincing, really?
spies6tiberius (10:17:29 PM):he showed me
spies6tiberius (10:17:40 PM):some chats between pete and paris
spies6jaya (10:18:21 PM):yeah, i think he sent those to me 2, but they hardly seem convincing
spies6jaya (10:18:33 PM):and i still wonder why he isn't posting in the burg
spies6tiberius (10:18:41 PM):says it's because it's too close
spies6tiberius (10:18:45 PM):to exile
spies6jaya (10:21:18 PM):these last minute changes make me verrrry nervous
spies6jaya (10:22:13 PM):particularly when nothing is posted, and people are not allowed to defend themselves
Here she takes a stronger stance against Rey’s Pete case. Which seems SO weird because I assume she must have know she was a top exile target. Why would she stop any other bandwagon from starting I wonder? Last minute distancing maybe? It confuzzles me.
[WHILE I AM TALKING TO HER ABOUT THE FACT THAT I AM PROBABLY VOTING FOR HER FOR VOTING ALONGSIDE ALMATHEA SHE SAYS THAT SHE WASN’T AROUND FOR THE ALMA FREAKOUT AS HER ONLY DEFENSE, AND THEN]
spies6tiberius (10:32:28 PM):Paris has the same defense...
spies6jaya (10:33:06 PM):is paris on our team, again??
spies6tiberius (10:33:22 PM):no, i'm just saying that s
pies6Tiberius (10:33:31 PM):i think the paris case is pretty convicing, and he says the same thing
spies6jaya (10:33:37 PM):but no, i think paris got caught between alma and jenya
spies6jaya (10:35:16 PM):i haven't paid attention at all to other group -- are they thinking about paris??
spies6tiberius (10:35:35 PM):there's a HUGE case against him in the main burg
spies6tiberius (10:35:42 PM):i dont know if that team has been convinced by it
spies6jaya (10:37:30 PM):i looked at rey's case earlier against paris, it didn't seem that strong to me
spies6jaya (10:37:53 PM):i really think paris was a pawn in the alma-jenya spy pincher
spies6tiberius (10:38:09 PM):hmm
spies6tiberius (10:38:16 PM):that would... be interesting
spies6jaya (10:33:06 PM):is paris on our team, again??
spies6tiberius (10:33:22 PM):no, i'm just saying that s
pies6Tiberius (10:33:31 PM):i think the paris case is pretty convicing, and he says the same thing
spies6jaya (10:33:37 PM):but no, i think paris got caught between alma and jenya
spies6jaya (10:35:16 PM):i haven't paid attention at all to other group -- are they thinking about paris??
spies6tiberius (10:35:35 PM):there's a HUGE case against him in the main burg
spies6tiberius (10:35:42 PM):i dont know if that team has been convinced by it
spies6jaya (10:37:30 PM):i looked at rey's case earlier against paris, it didn't seem that strong to me
spies6jaya (10:37:53 PM):i really think paris was a pawn in the alma-jenya spy pincher
spies6tiberius (10:38:09 PM):hmm
spies6tiberius (10:38:16 PM):that would... be interesting
Probable cit points for Jenya there yes?
spies6jaya (10:42:48 PM):gretchen seems a little suspicious to me
spies6jaya (10:43:07 PM):she really worked hard to get me to vote for roxy
spies6Tiberius (10:43:12 PM):yeah
spies6Tiberius (10:43:15 PM):i did notice that being weird
spies6jaya (10:43:07 PM):she really worked hard to get me to vote for roxy
spies6Tiberius (10:43:12 PM):yeah
spies6Tiberius (10:43:15 PM):i did notice that being weird
Last relevant thing she mentions this to me. This is right after telling me her vote is probably going to Ed and why. Seems to be possible plus cit points for Gretch. But also since this is after Jaya knows she’s a possible target maybe the opposite.
Donald
Like Iris turns out I only chatted with Donald once. He started out by trying to seem helpful by mentioning that I should check out the team chat I missed.
Here we talk about the fact that he had asked me to come online somewhere in the Burg, and what he wanted to show me.
spies6tiberius (9:29:34 PM):btw, you said before you had something to show me, is it still revelent
spies6donald (9:30:37 PM):It's mostly regarding Roxy's experience, which I'm actually just now starting to talk with her about
spies6donald (9:31:03 PM):I don't have my chat log on me now, but it's mostly summed up by this PM I sent her that she replied to
spies6donald (9:31:15 PM):How long have you played Mafia and/or Werewolves?
First Game.
Is this your first spy game?
Yes.
What is an ORG? You mentioned it the first time we chatted, but I'm not sure what you mean.
Online Roleplaying Game...we're playing one...
spies6tiberius (9:32:13 PM):ah
spies6tiberius (9:32:15 PM):interesting
spies6tiberius (9:32:19 PM):because ORG actually means
spies6tiberius (9:32:26 PM):Online Reality Game which makes Spies not an ORG
spies6tiberius (9:32:35 PM):ORG would be Survivor, Big Brother, ect
spies6donald (9:32:35 PM):I asked her
spies6donald (9:32:49 PM):she said ORG is Online Roleplaying Game, just so you know how she interprets it
spies6tiberius (9:33:03 PM):alright
spies6donald (9:33:33 PM):I'm awaiting her response to my next question, because mostly what I'm looking at is, whether or not she's faking being a n00b spy player.
spies6donald (9:33:51 PM):If I'm not mistaken, Sam pulled people from various mafia/werewolf boards
spies6donald (9:34:05 PM):okay, I just got an answer from her
Donald: I'm still a little confused about your experience, though. So you've never played mafia or werewolves, but the ORG's that you've played, have they at least been similar to this? A good side and bad side with voting players off and killing at night?
[18:33] Roxy: No.
[18:34] Roxy: I only play survivor orgs
donald (9:34:18 PM):that makes some sense
spies6tiberius (9:34:48 PM):i know for a fact that Sam advertises at a few survivor boards too
spies6donald (9:35:11 PM):I just knew there had to be somewhere through which she had been invited
spies6donald (9:35:20 PM):so she couldn't have had literally 0 experience...
spies6tiberius (9:35:55 PM):i mean
spies6tiberius (9:36:00 PM):the reason i was able to pick that out about her
spies6tiberius (9:36:09 PM):is because i too came into this game with only survivor experiance
spies6donald (9:36:26 PM):okay
spies6tiberius (9:36:43 PM):i mean i knew the basics from playing at camp
spies6tiberius (9:36:49 PM):but i understood spies6tiberius (9:36:53 PM):her weird logic
spies6tiberius (9:36:57 PM):because it seemed survivorish to me
spies6donald (9:37:45 PM):okay, I think I'm going to have to review a couple of survivor games, then
spies6donald (9:37:56 PM):to be able to see your and Roxy's perspectives better
spies6tiberius (9:39:51 PM):not a bad idea
spies6donald (9:30:37 PM):It's mostly regarding Roxy's experience, which I'm actually just now starting to talk with her about
spies6donald (9:31:03 PM):I don't have my chat log on me now, but it's mostly summed up by this PM I sent her that she replied to
spies6donald (9:31:15 PM):How long have you played Mafia and/or Werewolves?
First Game.
Is this your first spy game?
Yes.
What is an ORG? You mentioned it the first time we chatted, but I'm not sure what you mean.
Online Roleplaying Game...we're playing one...
spies6tiberius (9:32:13 PM):ah
spies6tiberius (9:32:15 PM):interesting
spies6tiberius (9:32:19 PM):because ORG actually means
spies6tiberius (9:32:26 PM):Online Reality Game which makes Spies not an ORG
spies6tiberius (9:32:35 PM):ORG would be Survivor, Big Brother, ect
spies6donald (9:32:35 PM):I asked her
spies6donald (9:32:49 PM):she said ORG is Online Roleplaying Game, just so you know how she interprets it
spies6tiberius (9:33:03 PM):alright
spies6donald (9:33:33 PM):I'm awaiting her response to my next question, because mostly what I'm looking at is, whether or not she's faking being a n00b spy player.
spies6donald (9:33:51 PM):If I'm not mistaken, Sam pulled people from various mafia/werewolf boards
spies6donald (9:34:05 PM):okay, I just got an answer from her
Donald: I'm still a little confused about your experience, though. So you've never played mafia or werewolves, but the ORG's that you've played, have they at least been similar to this? A good side and bad side with voting players off and killing at night?
[18:33] Roxy: No.
[18:34] Roxy: I only play survivor orgs
donald (9:34:18 PM):that makes some sense
spies6tiberius (9:34:48 PM):i know for a fact that Sam advertises at a few survivor boards too
spies6donald (9:35:11 PM):I just knew there had to be somewhere through which she had been invited
spies6donald (9:35:20 PM):so she couldn't have had literally 0 experience...
spies6tiberius (9:35:55 PM):i mean
spies6tiberius (9:36:00 PM):the reason i was able to pick that out about her
spies6tiberius (9:36:09 PM):is because i too came into this game with only survivor experiance
spies6donald (9:36:26 PM):okay
spies6tiberius (9:36:43 PM):i mean i knew the basics from playing at camp
spies6tiberius (9:36:49 PM):but i understood spies6tiberius (9:36:53 PM):her weird logic
spies6tiberius (9:36:57 PM):because it seemed survivorish to me
spies6donald (9:37:45 PM):okay, I think I'm going to have to review a couple of survivor games, then
spies6donald (9:37:56 PM):to be able to see your and Roxy's perspectives better
spies6tiberius (9:39:51 PM):not a bad idea
Doesn’t tell me much about Roxy either way. Tells me more that Donald was very good at ACTING helpful than much about Roxy.
Then, this is the only other relevant piece I have of the chat.
spies6tiberius (9:52:11 PM):you were on a team with her so
spies6tiberius (9:52:13 PM):i'll ask
spies6tiberius (9:52:20 PM):what are your thoughts on georgia?
spies6donald (9:52:51 PM):I've had a neutral feeling about her from the first exile, but after the team chat, I had a strong cit feeling on her
spies6donald (9:53:06 PM):She had strong, well thought out opinions and explained her stance with support
spies6donald (9:53:17 PM):There's apparently been a case made against her on the baords, I hear, but I haven't seen any of it yet
spies6tiberius (9:54:53 PM):alright spies6tiberius (9:54:57 PM):thank you that actually helps a lot
Not sure what it says about Georgia.
That’s it guys. I think it’d be helpful and useful if everyone did this by the way. I also thought of going through my stuff with Paris but since Paris didn’t know for sure who were spies and who were cits so I decided it useless, but I actually have some stuff with him. I will now be going to bed.
If you have any questions please ask, I know this took a lot of work so I don't want to destroy it for ya!
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