Kirsten

[Georgia]

I've mostly spoken with Kristen this episode.
Mostly due to not being around much, due to lack of energy and desire for it with being sick. Doped up on cold medicine, which I hate - isn't very conducive for deep thought processes. haha.

May 29th..
spies6Kirsten (23:52:53): interesting...why Donald?
spies6Georgia (23:52:57): Though I still need to look over what went on in the other group.
spies6Georgia (23:53:11): Mostly because he voted for one of the more popular candidates each exile.
spies6Kirsten (23:53:24): he's a chronic 2nd place voter, that one.
spies6Kirsten (23:53:41): what about that do you think suggests he's a spy?
spies6Georgia (23:55:0): Yes, yes he is. I can't recall specifically if he actually made a case for them prior to voting or not. It mostly reads spyish, because it is something a spy would do, to try and blend in while still wanting someone whom isn't their mate to be lynched. It is total bandwagoning, and he just feels sketchy.
spies6Kirsten (23:55:44): alright
spies6Kirsten (23:55:49): why did you vote for Ariel?
spies6Kirsten (23:56:33): I think Donald had a case against Mei
spies6Kirsten (23:56:46): altohugh I don't know that for sure.
spies6Georgia (23:59:59): Haha. I know he posted it after the first exile, or it was a case regarding someone else. I voted Ariel because her behavior was odd to me. Some people seemed to want to write her off as a pretty confirmed citizen because of the whole choosing to save Roxy, and Alama ending up a spy. That is fine if you want to go that route, but I think it a bit early to be trusting so deeply this early in the game. TRust is a luxury in all of this, and to just throw it around easily - is questionable to me. I can't say much for what she has said privately with others, or in group chats - as I've only been around a few.
spies6Kirsten (00:00:43): ok, I agree that she shouldn't be trusted as a confirmed citizen by any stretch, but why was that vote worthy?
spies6Georgia (00:01:30): But I can't recall her actually posting a list of her thoughts on people for the first Exile, and she didn't do it for the second exile. Even though her buddy Yvette was hounding everyone else about it. If people wanted to write her off as a confirmed citizen, then that gives her a higher measure of being able to point her finger at everyone she suspects and put the pressure on them.
spies6Georgia (00:01:40): But to my knowledge, she hasn't pointed the finger at anyone first.
spies6Georgia (00:01:55): Her suspicions and finger pointing, seem to only come out when someone does it to her first.
spies6Kirsten (00:02:14): so basically your point is that she hasn't actually done any kind of spy hunting of her own?
spies6Georgia (00:02:21): Though in this case, I've limited knowledge, and pretty much think of the dynamic between her and Ed - and what went on in our last - I think group chat.
spies6Georgia (00:02:46): To my knowledge, she hasn't. I don't know what goes on behind closed doors or in private chats. But I haven't seen it.
spies6Kirsten (00:02:52): ok
spies6Kirsten (00:02:56): I would agree with that
spies6Kirsten (00:03:9): I don't think she's done any either.

[Georgia]

A comment or two on Ariel..

spies6Kirsten (00:17:20): She was originally planning on voting Ed
spies6Kirsten (00:17:25): last episode
spies6Kirsten (00:17:35): I don't know exactly why she swapped to jaya
spies6Kirsten (00:17:58): I keep trying to get those chats
spies6Kirsten (00:18:4): I want to know what happened...

She has, and as far as I know - they haven't been publicized.
Though, I do find it interesting that Ariel wasn't imprisoned.

[Georgia]

My opinion on her has changed since the beginning.

She is quite capable of being a Spy.

At first, I though she was quite intelligent and thoughtful. She also seemed very reserved.
Yet recently.. she has broken out of her shell? She has been openly way sarcastic towards people. She has even taken on a "leadership" role.

With this change.. I've noticed that she has lied a few times. Well, maybe not lied - but she has used other people's ideas. I know of once when I used her idea. But.. I dunno.

[Georgia]

This is information I have found regarding Kirsten's views on Amelia the Spy.

June 18th, 2:38 am CDT:
In other news, Amelia is still scum.

June 18th, 942 pm CDT:
I could see arguments for the last 3 spies being Amelia + AReyal.

June 25th, 731pm CDT:

Amelia:

-Asserts Donald is a spy, but gives no reason to believe Donald is a spy except the assertion that I am a spy with Donald and I sold him out with a "calculated" push. Is positive that Donald is a spy and votes him twice, but suspicion of Donald is nonexistent.
-Pins me as scum-buddy to Donald but does not follow through. If this is main reason she believes Donald is a spy, enough for her to vote Donald twice, why give it up easily?
-Why pin me as a scum buddy to Donald for my "calculated" case, but ignore my push on Levi? What made my push on Donald different than my push on Levi?
-Is smart and quick when you chat with her. Plays dumber with her suspicions in the burg and has tried to play the "newb card" despite 2/3 of the players being new to spies and her not being new to mafia. Rings insincere.
-Her posts in the mafia thread scream fake to me. Probably the number 1 reason why is the disparity between her smarts and her playing dumb/claiming new player defense.
-Confirmed Iris' role. No role actions in episode 1. This can only be true if somehow Iris has the ability to give out the gift of imprisonment immunity episode 1 despite the no role actions episode 1 (and despite the fact that this would have had to take place before the giving out of roles). Furthermore, the target would have to actually be Amelia, a player who lasted half the game. (Meaning, if the spies could really give it out, they are lucky that it was given to a player who is still alive and could confirm it, despite 1/3-1/2 of the game being dead already).
-Was a fairly predominant presence on the burg during end of episode 6 and beginning of 7 where she was under a lot of pressure. Now that the attacks have died down, Amelia has basically disappeared again to her previous level of massive lurking. This is basically just the point that she's doing absolutely no spy hunting, and is lurking on the boards, because she is active when called out.
-Despite being an AIM player, and despite how much she posted last episode, still didn't find time to make it onto AIM. Tsk, Tsk.

Amelia has a really good chance to be a spy, even if you ignore the whole Iris shenanigans. Lurking + convinced Donald was a spy based solely on the connection between Donald and myself + didn't follow up on me afterward + heavy lurking but yet is clearly checking the board regularly since she posted pretty predominantly while under attack + more lurking + doesn't get on AIM despite being an AIM player = spy


July 5th, 348am CDT:
I've just read through all of Amelia's posts in the burg. And to be honest I don't think she's a spy. Some of her stances don't strike me as the kind of stances I would expect her to take as a spy.

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She was apparently certain that Amelia was a spy, yet had never voted for her.
She went from Amelia is a spy, to Amelia is not a spy.

Wouldn't she of investigated Amelia with that big post? Or she didn't?

Also at this time, Kirsten went from thinking 90% certaintiy that Rey was a citizen, to exiling him the next episode.


KIRSTEN + LEVI = last two spies?

[Georgia]

Kirsten's Thor "case" :

(courtesy of Gretchen. Apparently this is what she sent people)


Thor
-The timing of the chats + nature of the chats he has with Iris lead me to believe that they were staged. I don't think those are real chats from a citizen Thor to a spy Iris at all.

First of all, he posts these chats literally for no reason whatsoever, and the chats are about as far from incriminating as can possibly be. The only reason I can derive for him posting those chats is specifically to attempt to confirm himself by having chats with a dead spy.

The last portion of the chat he posts has to do with suspicions of Faith and that's it. Why is that relevant at all? How could a dead Iris' stance on a dead Faith bear any relevance whatsoever to our exile? He's posting it to try to confirm himself off of chats with dead spies.

Secondly, according to Rey, he claims he had these chats with Iris on Friday, May 29th. The discussion topic from the first portion of their chat appears to be based on who to go after if they get imprisoned. The imprisonment did not happen until the following day (Sat the 30th). Are they really discussing who to go after in case they get imprisoned a full day in advance? I certainly would not want to tell some random that a day in advance of imprisonment.

Next, from those chats you get a clear picture that Thor/Iris trust each other (they're saying who to go after in case of imprisonment...they're planning to form up an alliance with Levi). Yet, this is thor's stance on Iris from the episode 6 thread:

iris - leaning spy. up until recently i've seen her as a mysterious individual who tends to be helpful, and i was fairly certain of her being a citizen as a result; however, her late roleclaim which seemed to serve only to save herself from exile is extremely flawed.

They trust each other that much and all he can say is "mysterious individual who tends to be helpful" about her? No way.

Now, let's actually get to the chats themselves. The chats seem mechanical. They don't seem to possess any of the nuances one would expect from a natural chat between two players. They are mostly the two of them just going back and forth in a staged dance expressing their opinions on things for the purpose of looking like two citizens talking to each other.

spies6iris (5:22:30 PM): If you don't go, you, me and Levi should get together and compare notes.

Umm...fake. Aren't the two of you "sharing notes" right now?

spies6iris (4:54:10 PM): What do you think of Khaled's methods? I'm getting a good read on him, really, which is frustrated because he's convinced I'm a Spy.

Oh, Iris. You seem really nervous in this chat and you are really in a rush to explain everything the two of you must have preplanned that you were going to say. She asks Thor a question about Khaled, but then butts in and immediately gives her own opinion. A natural chat would involve her asking Thor about Khaled for the purpose of seeing his stance on Khaled. A staged chat would involve her asking Thor about Khaled for the purpose of creating a tie-in so she can express her stance on Khaled, which is the entire purpose of them staging the chat.

spies6thor (4:28:02 PM): i find faith to be consistently going along with popular opinions. i found her to be especially transparent concerning levi, posting that she had a positive read on him in the exile thread, and quickly joining the case on him with evidence that i feel could have gone either way.
spies6iris (4:31:39 PM): Interesting. I would agree about the popular opinions. Now in the last exile she placed her save vote on me...this was after I'd said I was voting her and then she changed my mind to think it was more likely, if there was a master Spy mind behind the Yvette/Robert thing, that it was Yvette. The only thing is, I think if she were a Spy and she saw at that point that it was more likely that Paris or I were going to be the exile, she would have switched her save vote to Levi to look better.
spies6iris (4:31:47 PM): I do a lot of WiFoM...drives me crazy sometimes.
spies6thor (4:32:59 PM): i think if she had tried to save levi it would have looked quite shady considering her overwhelming support of the case. yvette's my second highest citizen read, so i don't exactly agree with you there, but i see how it could be possible.
spies6iris (4:33:42 PM): Okay, I see your point re Faith. Who's your first highest citizen read? My two are Ariel and Mirela.

This whole chunk is just a whole world of suspicious. Thor relates neatly in one statement his suspicions of Faith. Iris then responds in a single neat statement that looks exactly like she is reading directly from a script to answer Thor. Seriously, that looks so scripted it's not even funny.

Yvette was Thor's 2nd highest citizen read? It's nice to see he contributed to getting her exiled that round (in all but vote). heh, heh.

Again, Iris asks about his highest citizen reads but immediately answers the question herself. This is suspicious for the same reason I pointed out above, when Iris asks a question but then immediately butts in and gives her own answer.


-Thor sits on Faith for 3 episodes, but doesn't push to get her exiled and doesn't do much/any spy hunting otherwise. When asked about his Faith suspicions, this was the entirety of his response to me:

spies6thor (3:29:31 PM): i just find her suspicious in general. i've seen nothing to make me feel like she's a citizen.

His suspicion on Yvette was likewise:

spies6thor (7:51:12 PM): i've taken a 180 on yvette, i trusted her but i can't think of any citizeny things she's done.

Not thinking of "citzeny" things people have done is pretty shitty reasons to think someone is a spy.

-Thor completely ignored any of my attacks on him last round. Completely ignored them. He commented to me in a chat about my Iris is a citizen post, but apparently didn't feel the need to address my Thor is a spy post directly below it?

I even talked to him directly about this:

spies6Kirsten (4:23:23 PM): well, I was being especially antagonistic toward you regarding your read of me in hopes of drawing a reaction. I drew...none.

He skipped over that when I chatted with him today as well. He doesn't seem interested in learning why I am suspicious of him or defending himself from my suspicions of him at all.

-Thor said this today:

spies6thor (4:41:21 PM): what are you thinking about exile?

That marks the first time in 6 chats with our resident Norse God that Thor has actually asked me about my suspicions at all. Completely incurious about my suspicions? Must be a spy, eh?

[Georgia]

A conversation between Kirsten and Levi, episode one.
This was something Levi tried using against Kirsten.
I believe he showed it to.. Boris and I, and got our thoughts on it - before he publicized it. I think he publicized it.


spies6kirsten is available (5:10:31 PM)
spies6levi (5:10:31 PM): Hey!
spies6Kirsten (5:10:42 PM): hey, how are you?
spies6levi (5:10:54 PM): Pretty good. And you?
spies6Kirsten (5:11:07 PM): good
spies6Kirsten (5:11:16 PM): just reading stuff on the burg right now
spies6levi (5:11:35 PM): I just did that a few minutes ago.
spies6levi (5:11:39 PM): There's so much to do!
spies6Kirsten (5:11:53 PM): yeah, this game seems pretty immersive
spies6levi (5:12:16 PM): Very involving, to say the least.
spies6levi (5:17:28 PM): You still here?
spies6Kirsten (5:17:44 PM): yep
spies6levi (5:17:55 PM): Any thoughts about the first exile?
spies6Kirsten (5:18:23 PM): I haven't spoken to anyone nearly enough to get an impression of who I want to get rid of
spies6levi (5:19:07 PM): This is so stressful, I don't even know if I can meet everyone by the Exile!
spies6Kirsten (5:19:16 PM): I know!
spies6Kirsten (5:19:31 PM): I'd rather vote out a suspect than someone who is just inactive
spies6Kirsten (5:19:43 PM): but if I haven't had a chance to get any suspects, then I don't know...
spies6levi (5:19:48 PM): I'm on the fence about that matter.
spies6levi (5:20:07 PM): After all, an inactive isn't helping us out at all . . .
spies6levi (5:20:13 PM): But they are not hurting us either
spies6Kirsten (5:20:36 PM): right
spies6Kirsten (5:20:38 PM): well
spies6Kirsten (5:20:45 PM): here's one thing I'm kind of wondering
spies6levi (5:21:20 PM): What?
spies6Kirsten (5:21:25 PM): the spies knew each other from the beginning
spies6Kirsten (5:21:43 PM): I'm wondering if the spies were people who were online at the time or had logged in
spies6levi (5:22:06 PM): Like at the very beginning?
spies6levi (5:22:14 PM): I wasn't on then, I wouldn't know who was
spies6Kirsten (5:23:07 PM): just kind of a "would sam give a spy role to someone who wasn't already active" question
spies6levi (5:23:43 PM): That depends on their application, I guess