Post by Pete on Jun 20, 2009 7:14:15 GMT -5
spies6Kirsten (12:33:08): wow
spies6Kirsten (12:33:14): it's spies6pete!
spies6pete (12:33:39): what? where?
spies6Kirsten (12:33:52): right here...right now
spies6pete (12:33:52): *looks around*
spies6pete (12:34:07): oooo, youre talking about me?
spies6Kirsten (12:34:17): oh yeah...you gotta problem with that?
spies6pete (12:34:21): .....maybe
spies6Kirsten (12:34:26): ah, well sorry then
spies6pete (12:35:12): *walks off*
spies6pete (12:35:13): SO
spies6pete (12:35:19): wheres your head?
spies6Kirsten (12:35:27): on top of my shoulders
spies6pete (12:35:36): ...
spies6Kirsten (12:35:38): where is YOUR head?
spies6Kirsten (12:35:43):
spies6Kirsten (12:35:50): or are you talking about my stance for upcoming exiles
spies6pete (12:35:52): <- there it is
spies6pete (12:36:06): yes, I was refering to that
spies6Kirsten (12:36:15): I know...just giving you a hard time
spies6Kirsten (12:36:22): probably going to be voting Amelia
spies6pete (12:36:34): brb
spies6Kirsten (12:36:39): ok
spies6pete (12:37:57): sorry about that
spies6Kirsten (12:38:06): frankly unnacceptable
spies6pete (12:38:12): awww
spies6Kirsten (12:38:15): so, how about you?
spies6Kirsten (12:38:21): what are your thoughts?
spies6pete (12:38:36): amelia.....but, I am still looking at william
spies6Kirsten (12:38:57): you voted him episode 5...based on your chat with him, correct?
spies6pete (12:39:06): yeah
spies6pete (12:39:15): he still hasnt responded to that
spies6pete (12:39:23): and to be honest, I think he thinks that
spies6Kirsten (12:39:25): what was suspicious about him in the chat?
spies6pete (12:39:35): because I am quote 'quiet' he doesnt have to respond
spies6pete (12:39:44): have you seen the wording he used?
spies6Kirsten (12:40:22): no?
spies6pete (12:40:35): oh, I posted it on the forum, let me go get it
spies6Kirsten (12:41:34): the shotgun analogy?
spies6pete (12:41:39): yeah
spies6pete (12:41:45): I didnt like that
spies6pete (12:42:12): and seeing as I hadnt spoken to him that much, the chances of catching him in some big lie or double back werent high
spies6Kirsten (12:42:14): yeah, I attacked Levi for the 4 suspect shotgunning approach back in episode 1
spies6pete (12:42:30): 'hoping one of them hits'
spies6pete (12:43:06): you cant have five suspects and say, oh I dont want to make a decision just yet, but, I will vote once Ive seen what people are doing
spies6Kirsten (12:43:43): everyone has some sort of ranking
spies6pete (12:43:49): oh yeah of course
spies6Kirsten (12:43:52): meaning, some are more suspicious than others
spies6Kirsten (12:44:05): like, I doubt he has 5 suspects all in the same level of suspiciosness
spies6pete (12:44:49): well, ok, even if he somehow did, the way he said that, implied that he hoped to 'connect with the majority'
spies6pete (12:44:57): theres two different things I took out of it
spies6pete (12:45:12): what you said about rankings, and, how he wanted to be in the majority
spies6Kirsten (12:45:27): well, to be fair, i want to be in the majority every exile
spies6Kirsten (12:45:44): but I just want the majority to be the target I think is most likely to be a spy
spies6pete (12:46:02): ....ok....fair does I guess
spies6Kirsten (12:46:10): here's a thought.
spies6pete (12:46:14): I'd like him to respond to it either way
spies6Kirsten (12:46:24): Episode 5, it looked like Faith or William were the top two wagons
spies6Kirsten (12:46:34): there was little to no resistance to either
spies6Kirsten (12:46:49): but when myself and Ellis started pushing for Iris, there was a lot of resistance
spies6Kirsten (12:47:20): based just on the overall picture, it looks like we were looking at two citizens being wagoned, simply because the spies were sitting back and letting things just happen
spies6pete (12:48:05): well....I can only speak for myself but....iris didnt really register with me, I hadnt spoken to her that much, it wasnt untill the 'role' that I properly looked at her
spies6pete (12:48:41): so, if other people felt the same, back in episode 5 when the role was not revealed....she would have had resistance then?
spies6Kirsten (12:49:18): yeah
spies6Kirsten (12:49:35): forget the Iris part, because I can see citizens as well as spies avoiding that
spies6Kirsten (12:49:44): but based on William and Faith
spies6Kirsten (12:49:50): nobody was really stepping up to defend either
spies6Kirsten (12:49:59): it was "too easy"
spies6pete (12:50:10): hmmmm, true
spies6pete (12:50:37): was anyone defending iris this round though?
spies6Kirsten (12:51:02): early on, Ariel was, and Rey somewhat
spies6Kirsten (12:51:07): other than that, not really
spies6Kirsten (12:51:13): Amelia didn't commit either way
spies6Kirsten (12:51:25): I think the spies pretty much tossed in the towel when it was obvious she lied
spies6pete (12:51:51): yeah, makes sense
spies6Kirsten (12:52:40): so you say Amelia but still looking at William
spies6pete (12:52:46): yes
spies6Kirsten (12:52:46): which of those two is a bigger suspect for you?
spies6pete (12:52:53): amelia
spies6pete (12:53:11): but, my mind does change
spies6Kirsten (12:53:26): no, you mind cannot change
spies6pete (12:53:29): Id like to hear william tell me about his conversation
spies6Kirsten (12:53:37): which conversation?
spies6pete (12:53:38): (my mind cannot change?)
spies6pete (12:53:48): the one I had with him, the shotgun
spies6Kirsten (12:53:51): (kidding)
spies6Kirsten (12:54:03): right
spies6Kirsten (12:54:10): so what makes Amelia a suspect for you?
spies6pete (12:54:55): well, other then the iris....thing...., she kept saying donald/kirsten
spies6pete (12:55:38): she also, in the beginning was very active in saying that, but, once donald went, she didnt seem to want to go after you
spies6Kirsten (12:55:58): yeah
spies6Kirsten (12:56:01): no follow through
spies6pete (12:56:12): which, is weird, because surely if you had just nailed a spy as she apprently did
spies6Kirsten (12:56:26): we did chat about it though, and she mentioned she was less suspicious of me
spies6pete (12:56:29): then....surely that means your other suspect is very weird
spies6Kirsten (12:56:33): but still, really no comment on it at all
spies6pete (12:56:38): suspicious, not weird
spies6pete (12:56:52): im not calling you weird or anything *hides*
spies6Kirsten (12:56:52): I'm weird, it's ok
spies6Kirsten (12:57:01): but I will hunt you down
spies6Kirsten (12:57:04): and make you pay for that slight
spies6pete (12:57:10): im a master of hide and seek
spies6pete (12:57:19): you will never find me
spies6Kirsten (12:57:39): hmm...then I am too lazy to even try
spies6Kirsten (12:57:44): congrats on escaping, this time
spies6pete (12:57:52): so yes, what are your reasonings for amelia?
spies6pete (12:57:57): woot party
spies6Kirsten (12:58:10): basically what I posted in the mafia thread on like page 3 I think
spies6Kirsten (12:58:19): Sam said no role actions happened episode 1
spies6Kirsten (12:58:28): I'd wager if she got an imprisonment immunity it would be from a role action
spies6Kirsten (12:58:31): so...
spies6Kirsten (12:58:32): ?
spies6Kirsten (12:58:47): Also, all of her posts in that thread strike me as fake
spies6Kirsten (12:59:09): she's trying to pass off as a clueless newbie, but whenever we've chatted, she seems pretty quick witted.
spies6Kirsten (12:59:15): so I don't buy it
spies6pete (13:00:43): yeah.....Im pretty sure she is a spy, I'm not sure if a citizen would do all of that in the space of a round.....but.....its still, hmmmm....Id like to talk to her
spies6Kirsten (13:01:10): Also, she seemed fairly confident Donald was a spy, but never really gave reasons why
spies6Kirsten (13:01:15): kind of fishy
spies6pete (13:01:21): do you mind if I ask who you would go after next round (assuming amelia is a spy, and assuming she isnt)
spies6Kirsten (13:01:32): if she's a spy, probably the norse god of thunder
spies6pete (13:01:39): yeah....it keeps coming back to the "donald and kirsten" tagline
spies6Kirsten (13:01:41): if she's not, then I will go crazy
spies6Kirsten (13:01:55): and probably still go after the norse god of thunder
spies6pete (13:03:10): I dont get that, both you and mirela say thor, and in my mind he is one of the people I really think is a citizen
spies6Kirsten (13:03:18): based on what?
spies6Kirsten (13:03:32): mirela and I are spies together, that's why we both said Thor
spies6pete (13:03:57): just based on gut and conversations
spies6Kirsten (13:04:02): actually, we have discussed it and both basically agree. Although I think Ariel coudl be a spy as well instead of Thor.
spies6pete (13:04:23): instead of thor?
spies6Kirsten (13:04:38): basically
spies6Kirsten (13:04:48): I'm assuming that there is a really good chance there were at least 2 spies from that initial team of 10
spies6Kirsten (13:04:53): one of the spies is iris
spies6Kirsten (13:05:02): there are 4 living players in that team
spies6Kirsten (13:05:07): Mirela/Thor/Ariel/Khaled
spies6Kirsten (13:05:21): Mirela I'm fairly positive is a citizen. Khaled I'm thinking is probably a citizen based on some of his interactions with Iris
spies6Kirsten (13:05:27): that leaves Thor/Ariel
spies6Kirsten (13:05:33): both who I find suspicious for other reasons as well
spies6Kirsten (13:06:19): I don't think both Ariel and Thor make sense as spies together for a couple of reasons
spies6Kirsten (13:06:33): the first is that they tag-teamed to get Jaya exiled episode 2
spies6Kirsten (13:06:46): if they were both spies, they could have probably done something better
spies6Kirsten (13:07:21): the 2nd is that I've seen that chat between them, and if they are spies together then it would have to be a fake chat, and currently I find it unlikely that it is.
spies6pete (13:08:09): hmmm, ok
spies6Kirsten (13:08:39): sorry, I've been thining about this a lot
spies6pete (13:08:41): although its dangerous to assume that any group had any x number of spies....I think your assumption is accpetable
spies6Kirsten (13:08:44): got a little long winded
spies6pete (13:08:52): LOL nah dont worry, I like it
spies6Kirsten (13:08:56): haah
spies6pete (13:09:15): and in my mind, other then an initial assumption, quite logicall sound
spies6pete (13:09:33): (I guess in many ways it deserved slightly better then a 'hmmmmm ok' )
spies6Kirsten (13:09:48): heh, it's ok
spies6Kirsten (13:09:55): I don't expect an immediate agree/disagree
spies6Kirsten (13:10:33): but after Amelia, I would go next for Thor or Ariel
spies6Kirsten (13:10:44): and right now I'm trying to figure out which of the two is more likely a spy
spies6Kirsten (13:10:49): currently leaning Thor
spies6pete (13:11:26): well, ariel gets some major citizen points in my mind for saving roxy, who in my mind is a citizen, and for removing almathea
spies6Kirsten (13:12:20): yeah, and helping lead the exile on jaya
spies6Kirsten (13:12:25): those are the big two +cit points for her
spies6pete (13:14:02): yeah....Im sorry to have to say this....but, Im off now
spies6pete (13:14:10): we finally have a proper conversation
spies6Kirsten (13:14:12): it's all good. I'm about to head out myself
spies6Kirsten (13:14:16): yeah, I know
spies6Kirsten (13:14:22): *shocked*
spies6pete (13:14:26): dun dun duuuuuun
spies6pete (13:14:52): cyas
spies6Kirsten (12:33:14): it's spies6pete!
spies6pete (12:33:39): what? where?
spies6Kirsten (12:33:52): right here...right now
spies6pete (12:33:52): *looks around*
spies6pete (12:34:07): oooo, youre talking about me?
spies6Kirsten (12:34:17): oh yeah...you gotta problem with that?
spies6pete (12:34:21): .....maybe
spies6Kirsten (12:34:26): ah, well sorry then
spies6pete (12:35:12): *walks off*
spies6pete (12:35:13): SO
spies6pete (12:35:19): wheres your head?
spies6Kirsten (12:35:27): on top of my shoulders
spies6pete (12:35:36): ...
spies6Kirsten (12:35:38): where is YOUR head?
spies6Kirsten (12:35:43):
spies6Kirsten (12:35:50): or are you talking about my stance for upcoming exiles
spies6pete (12:35:52): <- there it is
spies6pete (12:36:06): yes, I was refering to that
spies6Kirsten (12:36:15): I know...just giving you a hard time
spies6Kirsten (12:36:22): probably going to be voting Amelia
spies6pete (12:36:34): brb
spies6Kirsten (12:36:39): ok
spies6pete (12:37:57): sorry about that
spies6Kirsten (12:38:06): frankly unnacceptable
spies6pete (12:38:12): awww
spies6Kirsten (12:38:15): so, how about you?
spies6Kirsten (12:38:21): what are your thoughts?
spies6pete (12:38:36): amelia.....but, I am still looking at william
spies6Kirsten (12:38:57): you voted him episode 5...based on your chat with him, correct?
spies6pete (12:39:06): yeah
spies6pete (12:39:15): he still hasnt responded to that
spies6pete (12:39:23): and to be honest, I think he thinks that
spies6Kirsten (12:39:25): what was suspicious about him in the chat?
spies6pete (12:39:35): because I am quote 'quiet' he doesnt have to respond
spies6pete (12:39:44): have you seen the wording he used?
spies6Kirsten (12:40:22): no?
spies6pete (12:40:35): oh, I posted it on the forum, let me go get it
spies6Kirsten (12:41:34): the shotgun analogy?
spies6pete (12:41:39): yeah
spies6pete (12:41:45): I didnt like that
spies6pete (12:42:12): and seeing as I hadnt spoken to him that much, the chances of catching him in some big lie or double back werent high
spies6Kirsten (12:42:14): yeah, I attacked Levi for the 4 suspect shotgunning approach back in episode 1
spies6pete (12:42:30): 'hoping one of them hits'
spies6pete (12:43:06): you cant have five suspects and say, oh I dont want to make a decision just yet, but, I will vote once Ive seen what people are doing
spies6Kirsten (12:43:43): everyone has some sort of ranking
spies6pete (12:43:49): oh yeah of course
spies6Kirsten (12:43:52): meaning, some are more suspicious than others
spies6Kirsten (12:44:05): like, I doubt he has 5 suspects all in the same level of suspiciosness
spies6pete (12:44:49): well, ok, even if he somehow did, the way he said that, implied that he hoped to 'connect with the majority'
spies6pete (12:44:57): theres two different things I took out of it
spies6pete (12:45:12): what you said about rankings, and, how he wanted to be in the majority
spies6Kirsten (12:45:27): well, to be fair, i want to be in the majority every exile
spies6Kirsten (12:45:44): but I just want the majority to be the target I think is most likely to be a spy
spies6pete (12:46:02): ....ok....fair does I guess
spies6Kirsten (12:46:10): here's a thought.
spies6pete (12:46:14): I'd like him to respond to it either way
spies6Kirsten (12:46:24): Episode 5, it looked like Faith or William were the top two wagons
spies6Kirsten (12:46:34): there was little to no resistance to either
spies6Kirsten (12:46:49): but when myself and Ellis started pushing for Iris, there was a lot of resistance
spies6Kirsten (12:47:20): based just on the overall picture, it looks like we were looking at two citizens being wagoned, simply because the spies were sitting back and letting things just happen
spies6pete (12:48:05): well....I can only speak for myself but....iris didnt really register with me, I hadnt spoken to her that much, it wasnt untill the 'role' that I properly looked at her
spies6pete (12:48:41): so, if other people felt the same, back in episode 5 when the role was not revealed....she would have had resistance then?
spies6Kirsten (12:49:18): yeah
spies6Kirsten (12:49:35): forget the Iris part, because I can see citizens as well as spies avoiding that
spies6Kirsten (12:49:44): but based on William and Faith
spies6Kirsten (12:49:50): nobody was really stepping up to defend either
spies6Kirsten (12:49:59): it was "too easy"
spies6pete (12:50:10): hmmmm, true
spies6pete (12:50:37): was anyone defending iris this round though?
spies6Kirsten (12:51:02): early on, Ariel was, and Rey somewhat
spies6Kirsten (12:51:07): other than that, not really
spies6Kirsten (12:51:13): Amelia didn't commit either way
spies6Kirsten (12:51:25): I think the spies pretty much tossed in the towel when it was obvious she lied
spies6pete (12:51:51): yeah, makes sense
spies6Kirsten (12:52:40): so you say Amelia but still looking at William
spies6pete (12:52:46): yes
spies6Kirsten (12:52:46): which of those two is a bigger suspect for you?
spies6pete (12:52:53): amelia
spies6pete (12:53:11): but, my mind does change
spies6Kirsten (12:53:26): no, you mind cannot change
spies6pete (12:53:29): Id like to hear william tell me about his conversation
spies6Kirsten (12:53:37): which conversation?
spies6pete (12:53:38): (my mind cannot change?)
spies6pete (12:53:48): the one I had with him, the shotgun
spies6Kirsten (12:53:51): (kidding)
spies6Kirsten (12:54:03): right
spies6Kirsten (12:54:10): so what makes Amelia a suspect for you?
spies6pete (12:54:55): well, other then the iris....thing...., she kept saying donald/kirsten
spies6pete (12:55:38): she also, in the beginning was very active in saying that, but, once donald went, she didnt seem to want to go after you
spies6Kirsten (12:55:58): yeah
spies6Kirsten (12:56:01): no follow through
spies6pete (12:56:12): which, is weird, because surely if you had just nailed a spy as she apprently did
spies6Kirsten (12:56:26): we did chat about it though, and she mentioned she was less suspicious of me
spies6pete (12:56:29): then....surely that means your other suspect is very weird
spies6Kirsten (12:56:33): but still, really no comment on it at all
spies6pete (12:56:38): suspicious, not weird
spies6pete (12:56:52): im not calling you weird or anything *hides*
spies6Kirsten (12:56:52): I'm weird, it's ok
spies6Kirsten (12:57:01): but I will hunt you down
spies6Kirsten (12:57:04): and make you pay for that slight
spies6pete (12:57:10): im a master of hide and seek
spies6pete (12:57:19): you will never find me
spies6Kirsten (12:57:39): hmm...then I am too lazy to even try
spies6Kirsten (12:57:44): congrats on escaping, this time
spies6pete (12:57:52): so yes, what are your reasonings for amelia?
spies6pete (12:57:57): woot party
spies6Kirsten (12:58:10): basically what I posted in the mafia thread on like page 3 I think
spies6Kirsten (12:58:19): Sam said no role actions happened episode 1
spies6Kirsten (12:58:28): I'd wager if she got an imprisonment immunity it would be from a role action
spies6Kirsten (12:58:31): so...
spies6Kirsten (12:58:32): ?
spies6Kirsten (12:58:47): Also, all of her posts in that thread strike me as fake
spies6Kirsten (12:59:09): she's trying to pass off as a clueless newbie, but whenever we've chatted, she seems pretty quick witted.
spies6Kirsten (12:59:15): so I don't buy it
spies6pete (13:00:43): yeah.....Im pretty sure she is a spy, I'm not sure if a citizen would do all of that in the space of a round.....but.....its still, hmmmm....Id like to talk to her
spies6Kirsten (13:01:10): Also, she seemed fairly confident Donald was a spy, but never really gave reasons why
spies6Kirsten (13:01:15): kind of fishy
spies6pete (13:01:21): do you mind if I ask who you would go after next round (assuming amelia is a spy, and assuming she isnt)
spies6Kirsten (13:01:32): if she's a spy, probably the norse god of thunder
spies6pete (13:01:39): yeah....it keeps coming back to the "donald and kirsten" tagline
spies6Kirsten (13:01:41): if she's not, then I will go crazy
spies6Kirsten (13:01:55): and probably still go after the norse god of thunder
spies6pete (13:03:10): I dont get that, both you and mirela say thor, and in my mind he is one of the people I really think is a citizen
spies6Kirsten (13:03:18): based on what?
spies6Kirsten (13:03:32): mirela and I are spies together, that's why we both said Thor
spies6pete (13:03:57): just based on gut and conversations
spies6Kirsten (13:04:02): actually, we have discussed it and both basically agree. Although I think Ariel coudl be a spy as well instead of Thor.
spies6pete (13:04:23): instead of thor?
spies6Kirsten (13:04:38): basically
spies6Kirsten (13:04:48): I'm assuming that there is a really good chance there were at least 2 spies from that initial team of 10
spies6Kirsten (13:04:53): one of the spies is iris
spies6Kirsten (13:05:02): there are 4 living players in that team
spies6Kirsten (13:05:07): Mirela/Thor/Ariel/Khaled
spies6Kirsten (13:05:21): Mirela I'm fairly positive is a citizen. Khaled I'm thinking is probably a citizen based on some of his interactions with Iris
spies6Kirsten (13:05:27): that leaves Thor/Ariel
spies6Kirsten (13:05:33): both who I find suspicious for other reasons as well
spies6Kirsten (13:06:19): I don't think both Ariel and Thor make sense as spies together for a couple of reasons
spies6Kirsten (13:06:33): the first is that they tag-teamed to get Jaya exiled episode 2
spies6Kirsten (13:06:46): if they were both spies, they could have probably done something better
spies6Kirsten (13:07:21): the 2nd is that I've seen that chat between them, and if they are spies together then it would have to be a fake chat, and currently I find it unlikely that it is.
spies6pete (13:08:09): hmmm, ok
spies6Kirsten (13:08:39): sorry, I've been thining about this a lot
spies6pete (13:08:41): although its dangerous to assume that any group had any x number of spies....I think your assumption is accpetable
spies6Kirsten (13:08:44): got a little long winded
spies6pete (13:08:52): LOL nah dont worry, I like it
spies6Kirsten (13:08:56): haah
spies6pete (13:09:15): and in my mind, other then an initial assumption, quite logicall sound
spies6pete (13:09:33): (I guess in many ways it deserved slightly better then a 'hmmmmm ok' )
spies6Kirsten (13:09:48): heh, it's ok
spies6Kirsten (13:09:55): I don't expect an immediate agree/disagree
spies6Kirsten (13:10:33): but after Amelia, I would go next for Thor or Ariel
spies6Kirsten (13:10:44): and right now I'm trying to figure out which of the two is more likely a spy
spies6Kirsten (13:10:49): currently leaning Thor
spies6pete (13:11:26): well, ariel gets some major citizen points in my mind for saving roxy, who in my mind is a citizen, and for removing almathea
spies6Kirsten (13:12:20): yeah, and helping lead the exile on jaya
spies6Kirsten (13:12:25): those are the big two +cit points for her
spies6pete (13:14:02): yeah....Im sorry to have to say this....but, Im off now
spies6pete (13:14:10): we finally have a proper conversation
spies6Kirsten (13:14:12): it's all good. I'm about to head out myself
spies6Kirsten (13:14:16): yeah, I know
spies6Kirsten (13:14:22): *shocked*
spies6pete (13:14:26): dun dun duuuuuun
spies6pete (13:14:52): cyas