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May 27, 2009 15:44:52 GMT -5
Post by DC on May 27, 2009 15:44:52 GMT -5
I looked at the reactions of people during the exile 2 chat. Jaya's votes weren't revealed till the end. See, I know that if I had been receiving votes as a Spy, I'd have been frantically IMing my other Spies going "OMG OMG OMG SHIT FUCK!". So I looked at the timestamps.
Jaya was basically quiet from 10:30 - 10:32, when the Jaya votes were being revealed. I looked to see who else was quiet at that time. The one who stuck out at me as NOT quiet was Ariel, who was seemingly happily tallying votes the entire time. Didn't seem to be IMing anyone. That's a cit point in her favor.
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May 27, 2009 17:18:13 GMT -5
Post by DC on May 27, 2009 17:18:13 GMT -5
My pre-imprisonment round 3 leaderboard: (Edited to shade out the eliminated people like x-man's board)
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May 27, 2009 20:48:01 GMT -5
Post by xman on May 27, 2009 20:48:01 GMT -5
So I decided to have some fun with MS Paint. I think Iris should be the next to go. Everything about her is shady. I'm thinking the burg may do it too, if the recent vote is an indicator of what's to come. Dark horse candidates for spies are Thor and William. Need a few guys in there... I can't really think of one thing Thor has really contributed to the Burg, though he posts a good amount of the time. William just because. I think Rey is the next to be imprisoned with Jenya being the backup. If Tiberius is a spy, he's a good one. I don't see him being one though since his vote essentially sent Jaya packing in a close vote and he acted like he didn't have a clue as to what to do. Otherwise, his spy friends are giving him a heck of a lot of grief right now. Gretchen cracks me up. I'm really curious to see how far Khaled survives this game. His methods are unorthodox, but interesting nonetheless. And people I really think should step it up to the next level are Ariel and Boris.
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May 27, 2009 22:51:05 GMT -5
Post by DC on May 27, 2009 22:51:05 GMT -5
I think Tiberius is the next imprisonment, and he should be. Rey is an excellent spyhunter, but the fact that he freaked out during both Almathea's and Jaya's exiles indicates he is vulnerable in areas that can be exploited.
Backup guess: Ariel. She's proved herself capable as a leader and deadly to the Spies.
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May 27, 2009 22:52:30 GMT -5
Post by DC on May 27, 2009 22:52:30 GMT -5
I shrunk my leaderboard to avoid the margin fuck. In MSPaint: control+w or image -> resize/skew, and enter in values 80% horizontal and 80% vertical.
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May 28, 2009 11:43:37 GMT -5
Post by DC on May 28, 2009 11:43:37 GMT -5
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May 28, 2009 11:53:27 GMT -5
Post by xman on May 28, 2009 11:53:27 GMT -5
I think Tiberius is the next imprisonment, and he should be. Rey is an excellent spyhunter, but the fact that he freaked out during both Almathea's and Jaya's exiles indicates he is vulnerable in areas that can be exploited. Backup guess: Ariel. She's proved herself capable as a leader and deadly to the Spies. While Tiberius might be the next imprisonment, I think it may be a little too soon. While he's made good sound decisions for the majority of the game thus far, he isn't quite the catalyst that some of the other players are. I wouldn't view him as big of a threat initially. However, with that said, I wouldn't keep him around terribly long either because it is highly unlikely that he'll be exiled from the Burg. I could very well see Ariel going though.
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May 28, 2009 13:31:44 GMT -5
Post by DC on May 28, 2009 13:31:44 GMT -5
I agree with your feel of Tiberius, in that he's not "quite the catalyst" and won't be exiled. He's a lot like spies5Otto in that sense. But assuming Tiberius isn't also Brian, the difference between him and Otto to me seems that Tiberius won't be a pet or a Spy's best friend. That means Tiberius has no use to the Spies.
Emotional Rey on the other hand could be useful to them.
It's also weird to look at Rey's case against Paris ... because while Rey was right to accuse Paris, he did so based on totally the wrong reasons. A lot of his case was based on how Paris interacted with Almathea, except Paris didn't know Almathea was a Spy for sure! Lucky break for the cits.
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May 28, 2009 14:23:12 GMT -5
Post by xman on May 28, 2009 14:23:12 GMT -5
Random out of left field thought for a moment concerning Rey. You make a good point about his case on Paris. This is a major stretch, but I'm going to play the "what if" game for the fun of it. What if Rey is a spy? Yes, he voted Almathea and got the wagon going on Paris, though his vote wasn't for Paris. I don't know exactly when he jumped on the Almathea band wagon. I don't know if he was a leader of it or just hopped on. At least not without going through 10 pages of group chat which I'm not going to do. He seemed fairly neutral towards her on the boards, but I saw him mention once he was slightly leaning spy with her. So they get Almathea and he looks fairly good. If he's a spy, he knows Paris is a cit, so to speak. He gets the case going on Paris pointing out his relationship with Almathea and gets everyone else thinking about it too. For some strange reason though, at the last second he votes Pete with little to no explaination. Is this to avoid suspicion since Paris was a cit in the eyes of the spies? Low and behold though, Paris was a traitor. Rey makes himself look good for starting Paris's exile, even if he didn't stay with it at the end. Highly unlikely, but something fun to think about.
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May 31, 2009 21:24:52 GMT -5
Post by DC on May 31, 2009 21:24:52 GMT -5
It would be a great play for him. From the watcher perspective at least, Rey has a good amount citizen cred to his name.
And yet, Mei Yun was imprisoned? Really? Wasn't there enough "evidence" there to frame her? Maybe she's a better citizen in IM than she is on the boards?
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May 31, 2009 23:46:05 GMT -5
Post by DC on May 31, 2009 23:46:05 GMT -5
I participated in a challenge or two, and Iris definitely seemed spylike in both. I still think we're right about her, x-man.
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Post by DC on Jun 1, 2009 9:39:48 GMT -5
Blech, she just posted against Amelia. I hate it when my spy suspects accuse each other.
My spy list is the same as last time: Almathea Jaya (Paris) Iris Yvette Amelia Donald ?
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Jun 1, 2009 10:20:44 GMT -5
Post by xman on Jun 1, 2009 10:20:44 GMT -5
First off, Mei Yun. No idea why she was imprisoned. I also saw her as being frameable still at this point. Some people though seem to have had an awful lot of trust in her like Levi and maybe Donald? Levi mentioned 100% trust. So maybe there was a little role slip or something else hidden behind the scenes.
My spies for the episode.
Almathea
Jaya
Paris Still sticking with Iris. I'm gonna jump on the Donald bandwagon for the moment as well. The more I see him post, the more I realize he really isn't contributing much. They seem to be attempts to just appear helpful. Thor William Mirela - some odd vibes from interactions, but maybe it was just the whole set-up and situation.
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Jun 1, 2009 10:51:49 GMT -5
Post by DC on Jun 1, 2009 10:51:49 GMT -5
I love posting with you, X. I completely forgot about the 100% trust thing indicating a role - but since you had a role last game, you remember that issue well. I would be willing to bet that you're right and the Spies discussed that possibility in the HQ.
What do you mean about Mirela? Not sure which interactions you're referring to.
I feel the same way about Amelia as you do about Donald - posts that attempt to just appear helpful. I get the vibe that she's holding back and if she's a Spy I think she will be caught soon. I don't think she's smart enough to deceive this group long-term.
The spything with Iris I was referring to: In one challenge it took her a very long time before giving an answer, and in another it took her a very long time to do her part. Seemed like she was stalling.
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Jun 1, 2009 12:22:27 GMT -5
Post by DC on Jun 1, 2009 12:22:27 GMT -5
Yeah Jason yeah Jason, you catch that Yvette spy!!!
He voiced what I was thinking about Yvette's "plan" very well. I had noticed the exile comments too. He didn't mention her protecting Iris or her leading the wagon on Callahan but he still did a good job.
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Jun 1, 2009 14:10:26 GMT -5
Post by xman on Jun 1, 2009 14:10:26 GMT -5
What do you mean about Mirela? Not sure which interactions you're referring to. I wish I could go back and pinpoint where the odd feelings come from. It was just a conversation which I unfortunately lost. My suspicion is a stretch to say the least, but where is the fun in agreeing on everyone? I also just read the case on Yvette. I'm impressed. Especially since Jason came out with it and I haven't seen anything like that from him thus far. Aside from the self pity stuff he throws in, I feel like he's sort along the Apollo type of mold. Possibly a strong player down the road. I'm not quite ready to believe Yvette is a spy, but should could very well be. Also, it's interesting that Iris jumped on her case with lightening speed. You know, if Amelia, Iris, and Yvette are all spies like you believe, they really won't last long at the rate they're busing each other. It's quite entertaining. I'm still hoping to see Iris go tomorrow night, but we'll see.
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Jun 1, 2009 14:25:11 GMT -5
Post by DC on Jun 1, 2009 14:25:11 GMT -5
Yeah yeah, I think about the game a lot. Plus I don't have a lot to do at work these days anyway. Sam, now you see why I wanted a board On the one hand: - spies4Beverly proved a Spy could do the loud and proud thing. I could see someone trying to take that route again. - Yvette pinged my spy radar since the beginning of the game. - She hasn't done much to indicate that she's a citizen On the other hand: - Iris seems to support Yvette's exile, and I think Iris is a Spy too. - The Robert imprisonment screams setup but it's unclear who's being set up here - is it Yvette the citizen or Yvette the spy? It seems so stupid for Spies to try to make that move because it only calls more attention to Yvette - would a group really be that dumb? - Sometimes people rub me the wrong way and I misinterpret it as spylike. I have a history of some misexiles and wrong suspicions for this reason: spies2Davoni (BITCH! - sorry, habit), spies2Rodney, spies4Lloyd, spies5Maggie, spies5Luke, and spies5Carly. Whenever I've done the "I'll vote for him/her just to shut him/her up" vote it's always been a misexile. But who's to say it hasn't been for the greater good of the game? I think Yvette's a bossy and unperceptive troublemaker and I see her exile as beneficial even if she flips citizen. I don't think she has a chance of catching Spies if she is a citizen and will only lead misexiles. Maybe exiling a bad citizen helps the citizens win the game overall. Still, I'm asking myself, am I just being stubborn here and refusing to see the truth about Yvette because I so want her to be a Spy? Or is she really one of the bad guys after all?
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Jun 1, 2009 14:27:26 GMT -5
Post by DC on Jun 1, 2009 14:27:26 GMT -5
Oh right, x-man reminds me about bussing ... thanks X.
Also LOL on the bussing comment.
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Jun 1, 2009 14:30:50 GMT -5
Post by DC on Jun 1, 2009 14:30:50 GMT -5
Also - last comment for the next 10 minutes, I promise - I really enjoyed reading Future Week. There were some great schticks and jokes and everyone was really good-humored about it.
I love group anonymous activities because they show just how funny this particular group of people are (like the Dear Abby letters or the Spies 3 costume party).
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Jun 1, 2009 22:52:23 GMT -5
Post by Judge Sam on Jun 1, 2009 22:52:23 GMT -5
ahhh haha, I wish I had someone I could talk to about things. I think of little things to point here but then it's like "oh that would suggest that blah blah is a citizen" and of course i can't discuss anything spy-ish. sigh! ;D
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Jun 1, 2009 23:00:45 GMT -5
Post by DC on Jun 1, 2009 23:00:45 GMT -5
I can keep my mouth shut if x-man can. I haven't talked to anyone about Spies except him since the game started. But I understand if you don't want to let anything leak.
I hope you're doing your confessional thing again, Sam. I always enjoy reading those post-game.
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Jun 1, 2009 23:25:14 GMT -5
Post by xman on Jun 1, 2009 23:25:14 GMT -5
ahhh haha, I wish I had someone I could talk to about things. I think of little things to point here but then it's like "oh that would suggest that blah blah is a citizen" and of course i can't discuss anything spy-ish. sigh! ;D You know, as satisfying as it must be to sit back and watch everything unfold, I can't imagine how terribly lonely it gets sometimes not being able to talk about anything you see going on. Probably drives you crazy sometimes. Other thoughts.Kirsten is fighting tooth and nail for Yvette and doing a decent job. I've seen Kirsten as a cit for the most part. She may very well be right about the whole timing of this being shady with Yvette being gone. Also, seeing the chat that Thor produced with Ariel saying that Yvette switched to Jaya as late as she did in an incredibly close vote I think gives a few cit points to Yvette. At this point, I expect the Yvette case to be put on hold since she isn't here and possibly the Donald one to pick up steam with Donald going tomorrow night, unless something happens within the next 20 hours or so unforseen. One thing though about Kirsten I'm not really a huge fan of, is her pressing Levi so hard about the 100% thing. If it has to do with a role or keeping things hidden, she'd be better served approaching him 1 on 1 and not in public for everyone to see. Then if she finds something shady, bring it up. I still think the sure bet is Iris, but I doubt it happens this time. I also enjoyed the future week theme as well. It was all good fun. Kudos to you Sam for a job well done so far on everything.
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Post by DC on Jun 2, 2009 9:21:14 GMT -5
I reread one of your posts above, x and saw this (didn't catch it the first time):
And I just want to say that I totally agree with you on that. I am posting for fun, not to convince you that I'm right, and we certainly don't have to agree on suspects. I mean, it's not like we're a team or we have to vote together, you know? I was just wondering why you were suspicious of Mirela - in case you were picking up on something I missed.
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Jun 2, 2009 15:11:58 GMT -5
Post by DC on Jun 2, 2009 15:11:58 GMT -5
Grrrr I want them to exile Yvette or Donald. Come on guys, deal with Levi/Faith/etc. later. Or at least hit Iris if you need another target.
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Jun 2, 2009 16:51:13 GMT -5
Post by xman on Jun 2, 2009 16:51:13 GMT -5
I reread one of your posts above, x and saw this (didn't catch it the first time): And I just want to say that I totally agree with you on that. I am posting for fun, not to convince you that I'm right, and we certainly don't have to agree on suspects. I mean, it's not like we're a team or we have to vote together, you know? I was just wondering why you were suspicious of Mirela - in case you were picking up on something I missed. I'm sorry if that came across as defensive. It wasn't meant to sound that way. Just a light hearted comment.
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Jun 2, 2009 17:17:45 GMT -5
Post by xman on Jun 2, 2009 17:17:45 GMT -5
So the choice this evening is Levi, Yvette, Donald, Faith, Gretchen, and probably another person or two I missed. Roxy? With the votes looking to be spread out as wide as they are, if another spy gets exiled, these are some of the worst spies out there. Yvette may be the only exception if she gets votes from a lot of the people who haven't said anything yet. If Yvette goes tonight and turns spy, Kirsten is probably dead in the water and Donald gets another chance at life. I'll be quite surprised if they manage to get a spy this evening though. Especially if they get rid of Levi. I just don't see it at all right now. Hopefully I'll be around to watch.
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Jun 2, 2009 17:32:08 GMT -5
Post by Judge Sam on Jun 2, 2009 17:32:08 GMT -5
not many official votes have come in but as of now the setup seems to be donald vs. yvette
i just wish yvette was here to defend herself! she said she would be back today.
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A-fucking-men! Though I disagree about Georgia + Oswald. And maybe Mirela haha. Some of those people do a little more AIM but most are not making an impact which is booooooooring. They are all really nice people IRL and sufficiently active though.
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Jun 2, 2009 19:13:32 GMT -5
Post by DC on Jun 2, 2009 19:13:32 GMT -5
I think most of the people in this series are really nice people IRL. It's a good crowd. x-man!! Donald v. Yvette Hey, I'm happy. Gonna eat dinner, take care of some business, and see ya'll at exile.
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Jun 2, 2009 20:26:47 GMT -5
Post by xman on Jun 2, 2009 20:26:47 GMT -5
Final comment I think for this episode. If its down to Yvette and Donald, I'd rather see Donald go. Mainly because I want to see Yvette lay down a bunch of wood on everyone when she does return. For entertainment purposes only. I know that sounds slightly sadistic, but it should be for an interesting spectacle.
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Aug 17, 2009 6:28:50 GMT -5
Post by Ellis on Aug 17, 2009 6:28:50 GMT -5
Yeah yeah, I think about the game a lot. Plus I don't have a lot to do at work these days anyway. Sam, now you see why I wanted a board On the one hand: - spies4Beverly proved a Spy could do the loud and proud thing. I could see someone trying to take that route again. - Yvette pinged my spy radar since the beginning of the game. - She hasn't done much to indicate that she's a citizen On the other hand: - Iris seems to support Yvette's exile, and I think Iris is a Spy too. - The Robert imprisonment screams setup but it's unclear who's being set up here - is it Yvette the citizen or Yvette the spy? It seems so stupid for Spies to try to make that move because it only calls more attention to Yvette - would a group really be that dumb? - Sometimes people rub me the wrong way and I misinterpret it as spylike. I have a history of some misexiles and wrong suspicions for this reason: spies2Davoni (BITCH! - sorry, habit), spies2Rodney, spies4Lloyd, spies5Maggie, spies5Luke, and spies5Carly. Whenever I've done the "I'll vote for him/her just to shut him/her up" vote it's always been a misexile. But who's to say it hasn't been for the greater good of the game? I think Yvette's a bossy and unperceptive troublemaker and I see her exile as beneficial even if she flips citizen. I don't think she has a chance of catching Spies if she is a citizen and will only lead misexiles. Maybe exiling a bad citizen helps the citizens win the game overall. Still, I'm asking myself, am I just being stubborn here and refusing to see the truth about Yvette because I so want her to be a Spy? Or is she really one of the bad guys after all? Once again DC and I share a common brain. The reason I voted for Yvette (apart from Jason being so persuasive, grrrr) is because she kinda reminded me of Bev and I didn't want to make the same stupid mistake twice. I'd say I should have stuck to my guns, 'cept if I had, I would've voted Levi instead.
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