Episode 2 Logs

[William]

8:32:21 PM spies6william: hola jaya
8:32:40 PM spies6jaya: hi william
8:33:46 PM spies6william: how are you
8:33:54 PM spies6jaya: good & u?
8:34:08 PM spies6william: behind on this episode x.x
8:34:24 PM spies6jaya: yea i haven't seen you
8:35:20 PM spies6william: yeah
8:35:28 PM spies6william: and I really don't have a direction so far this round
8:35:55 PM spies6jaya: me either
8:36:52 PM spies6jaya: my vote is on ed for the moment, but i was considering roxy
8:38:01 PM spies6jaya: what team were you on before?
8:40:07 PM spies6william: 426264 we voted roxy
8:40:44 PM spies6jaya: hmm and i see you voted donald?
8:40:49 PM spies6william: I voted donald because I wasn't sold yet on roxy, and was actually leaning Mei but I felt too much of it was personally driven and not suspcion driven
8:42:01 PM spies6jaya: gretchen almost had me convinced that roxy was our best choice
8:42:17 PM spies6jaya: but yvette mostly talked me out of it
8:42:24 PM spies6william: haha
8:42:29 PM spies6william: that's what's tough about this game
8:44:33 PM spies6jaya: i'll say -- plus i think i must be an extraordinarily bad judge
8:45:22 PM spies6william: I just think we have a few very strongly opinionated players
8:45:47 PM spies6william: and when you go up against one, they have a way of making you doubt everything X.x
8:48:03 PM spies6jaya: yes yvette certainly counts as strong opinionated
9:38:10 PM spies6william: how do you think gretchen's been playing?
9:40:40 PM spies6jaya: i'm wondering why she seems so adamant about roxy
9:41:39 PM spies6william: I don't like her cases, I think she may get my vote
9:43:47 PM spies6jaya: not donald again?
9:45:23 PM spies6william: No, I think I was scraed into voting donald
9:45:27 PM spies6william: like
9:45:33 PM spies6william: I was worried I was going to mislynch
9:45:48 PM spies6william: so at least I would mislynch someone who was not able to be as active?
9:46:04 PM spies6william: like it wasn't that cut and dry in my head, but I think now that's why I went with him
9:46:36 PM spies6william: my vote was going to be for Mei but as I've said I think she gets me angry more than anything so I couldn't tell clearly if she was suspicious or annoying
9:46:47 PM spies6william: are you thinking about donald as a vote this roud?
9:47:26 PM spies6jaya: no -- just wondering since you voted for him last time
9:47:54 PM spies6william: that's fair enough
9:48:04 PM spies6jaya: yeah i'm a little worried that my vote for ed is based more on his personality
9:48:11 PM spies6william: I can see that
9:48:50 PM spies6jaya: but if i'm going to mislynch might as well be for someone i don't like very much
9:49:12 PM spies6jaya:
9:49:17 PM spies6william: e.e
9:49:36 PM spies6william: let's strive for better
9:50:46 PM spies6william: at least mei was active though, ed seems just to way in wait until he can make a negative or offensive remark
9:55:12 PM spies6jaya: nice talking to you william -- i've got to go cya later
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I'd rather she didn't think Ed such a viable option, but maybe the big Yvette v Robert thing will get her to take a more reasoned vote

[William]

8:14:02 PM spies6Yvette: Hello, William.
8:14:11 PM spies6william: Hello
8:14:48 PM spies6Yvette: Have you gotten a good idea of how you will vote yet?
8:15:24 PM spies6william: No. I've been busy and the game's been kinda intimidating so I'm trying to play catch-up which I know puts me and the team behind the ball
8:16:26 PM spies6Yvette: I think everyone is fairly behind this week
8:16:35 PM spies6Yvette: It is a big shift from the beginning of the game.
8:16:56 PM spies6william: it is
8:36:00 PM spies6william: do you feel confident at all about who you want to vote for?
8:36:29 PM spies6william: or still up in the air/
8:40:54 PM spies6Yvette: I'm really undecided between Jaya and Georgia
8:41:01 PM spies6Yvette: I am not going to vote for Roxy, I know that much.
8:44:59 PM spies6william: yeah, you didn't sound convinced in the thread
9:05:26 PM spies6william: I've been thinking about gretchen
9:05:33 PM spies6william: as a vote againstn
9:06:32 PM spies6Yvette: Yes?
9:10:41 PM spies6william: I can understand her not liking players from other teams coming in and making comments, as it's kinda like backseat driving, even if it's good for the team it could piss people off. but evenything else seems to be fishy, like the big push to see roxy flip, trying to belittle mislynching so others will accept it as a good option, and going after ariel for the exile save, even though ariel's made her reason for saving roxy pretty clear
9:12:24 PM spies6Yvette: Those are exactly the logical points I wanted to hear, whew.
9:12:33 PM spies6Yvette: Still, I think she is just a bumbling citizen. But who knows.
9:14:47 PM spies6william: what's the plan thing in "note to ariel and yvette"? I think I'm missing the actual thread where it's being discussed
9:18:45 PM spies6Yvette: Well, it has not been posted yet. I am still waiting on Rey.
9:18:56 PM spies6Yvette: To post the chat log.
9:19:27 PM spies6william: he's the only one with it
9:19:28 PM spies6william: ?
9:20:17 PM spies6Yvette: No, he asked me to post it after our group chat is posted.
9:20:28 PM spies6Yvette: I have the log with Robert/Faith/Iris/Ariel/Myself
9:21:37 PM spies6william: I'm still confused
9:21:39 PM spies6william: sorry
9:22:01 PM spies6william: are you waiting for him to post a log, or for him to say yes, or what?
9:22:12 PM spies6william: /can you at least tell me what it's about?
9:25:47 PM spies6Yvette: I'm waiting for him to post the chat log.
9:25:55 PM spies6william: ok
9:26:03 PM spies6Yvette: He said "Wait until I post the chat log, and then post the plan after that"
9:26:10 PM spies6william: ok
9:26:30 PM spies6william: I'm gonna go ask him to post the chat log then, so I can know what this mystery thing is before the next exile
9:27:36 PM spies6william: ah ok
9:27:48 PM spies6william: I get it, he's like editing it for readability
9:28:02 PM spies6william: I was like "posting a log takes like 2 seconds"
9:29:05 PM spies6Yvette: Yes.
9:31:05 PM spies6william: working on posting my thoughts officially in the exile thread
9:36:37 PM spies6william: I'm also thinking Kirsten may have a good point against levi, though he's not on our team Kirsten is
9:37:58 PM spies6Yvette: I have suspect Levi for some time, and believe that Kirsten is a citizen.
9:38:37 PM spies6william: is she in any danger this round of a mislynch? aka should we think about putting our minus votes there
9:38:52 PM spies6Yvette: Is she in our group?
9:39:06 PM spies6william: yeah
9:39:13 PM spies6Yvette: I had not even noticed.
9:39:19 PM spies6william: she was in the levi group at first, that's why she has the case
9:39:42 PM spies6william: at first when I saw them go at it, I thought it was OMGUS, since I hadn't seen much of kirsten otherwise
9:39:49 PM spies6william: but now it's making more sense
9:40:33 PM spies6Yvette: I think that she is a good use of the minus vote, but I have not heard anyone saying her name for this exile.
10:17:52 PM spies6william: alright, I'm gonna read and digest, then post something tomorrow. I'll be here for exile most liekly, but signing off for now
10:17:54 PM spies6william: night yvette


I agree about the Levi and Kirsten thing, but I'm still a bit paranoid about Yvette, moreso now that the plan she and Robert pulled off is in the open. I guess if I was part of the big elite three (her, Robert, Ariel) who all *know* they are citizens, I would trust Ariel to save one of them if something goes south (although if they exiled one of them, the other could post the chat log before being imprisoned I guess).

[William]

9:36:21 PM spies6rey: William, last round you voted Donald.
Why not this round? Has something changed your mind?
9:36:28 PM spies6rey: i asked that on the boards.
9:36:33 PM spies6william: Oh
9:36:35 PM spies6william: I'm sorry
9:36:38 PM spies6rey: no, it's okay.
9:36:39 PM spies6william: in the exile thread?
9:36:40 PM spies6rey: i just posted it.
9:36:41 PM spies6rey: :-P
9:36:42 PM spies6william: oh
9:36:43 PM spies6william: hahah
9:36:43 PM spies6rey: yupp.
9:36:47 PM spies6rey: i just want to know.
9:36:49 PM spies6rey: because.
9:36:52 PM spies6rey: it's suspicious.
9:37:14 PM spies6rey: i think pete is a much better exile choice than gretchen.
9:37:17 PM spies6rey: but you are voting her.
9:38:02 PM spies6william: I've told some people, but I think I was worried about my read on mei being too much about us butting heads and me being annoyed than actually suspicion. So I decided to not vote her, which left me to fall back on donald who was still a semi-lurker lynch at that point
9:38:25 PM spies6rey: oh, haha. okay.
9:38:36 PM spies6william: now I don't think any good case can be made against him, so I don't suspect him especially not enough to vote
9:38:46 PM spies6william: why pete? if I may ask
9:38:47 PM spies6rey: why do you suspect gretchen?
9:39:13 PM spies6rey: pete jumped on almathea's wagon late when people starting telling everyone that we were voting her... (grr..) and i really think he is a spy.
9:39:38 PM spies6rey: pete and almathea basically posted bad reports on each other.. as in they were just i suspect them because of how they
9:39:46 PM spies6rey: almathea said he was leaning citizen but he coudl change.
9:39:55 PM spies6rey: which is something a spy would say about their partner in my opinion.
9:39:58 PM spies6rey: not sure though.
9:41:05 PM spies6william: so mostly cause of the late jump on the bandwagon and almathea neither clearing nor condemning him?
9:41:39 PM spies6rey: correct.
9:41:48 PM spies6rey: i was suspicious of how she supported paris.
9:41:49 PM spies6rey: BUT
9:41:57 PM spies6rey: i think a no-read would be even more suspicious.
9:42:17 PM spies6william: ok
9:43:53 PM spies6william: Gretchen's vote for roxy is one part of my suspicion, the chat freak-out incident also is weird if not suspicious
9:43:57 PM spies6william: sorry, reading the thread
9:44:08 PM spies6william: when did pete go from leaning cit to leaning spy?
9:44:33 PM spies6rey: after i re-read.
9:44:45 PM spies6william: also how gretchen just wants to be rid of roxy, no matter what
9:44:54 PM spies6william: there seems to be no convincing her otherwise
9:45:07 PM spies6william: ok
9:45:27 PM spies6william: cause you just posted the "I'm voting pete and everyone else should" and then no explanation I don't think
9:45:37 PM spies6william: you may want to put one up if you really want votes
9:45:48 PM spies6rey: i'm explaining to everyone individually.
9:45:54 PM spies6rey: i have about 3 votes so far on him.
9:46:08 PM spies6rey: and if that doesn't go through, our negative votes will cancel out the other ones anyways.
9:46:16 PM spies6rey: that's how positive on pete i am.
9:46:26 PM spies6rey: and if i'm wrong i'm willing to take full responsibilty for it.
9:46:35 PM spies6william: oh jeez
9:47:04 PM spies6william: did not realize all this was going on
9:47:08 PM spies6rey: please trust me on this!
9:47:16 PM spies6rey: i really think pete is a good exile target.
9:47:18 PM spies6rey: ><
9:47:25 PM spies6william: well I'm not voting to save him
9:47:37 PM spies6william: are you worried anyone in particular will out-vote him?
9:47:43 PM spies6rey: yes, gretchen.
9:48:02 PM spies6rey: i have to split the minus votes between gretchen and georgia since they are getting a lot of votes.
9:48:11 PM spies6rey: but i'm not sure exactly how many people are voting for who.
9:49:06 PM spies6william: well most people have no clue on the pete case, as it seems to be based on stuff most of us weren't here for
9:49:10 PM spies6william: you might not get what you want
9:49:21 PM spies6rey: oh well.
9:49:34 PM spies6rey: i just wanted to get another spy out before i am imprisoned.
9:49:47 PM spies6rey: and if he isn't a spy, i won't get imprisoned because everyone will know i led the case on him.
9:49:51 PM spies6rey: therefore...
9:49:54 PM spies6rey: it's a win win situation.
9:50:04 PM spies6rey: well for me.
9:50:06 PM spies6rey: :-P
9:50:11 PM spies6rey: *doesn't want to get imprisoned*
9:50:49 PM spies6rey: the fact that there is so much resistance makes me even more sure that he is a spy.
9:50:51 PM spies6william: I don't think anyone wants to
9:51:01 PM spies6rey: because i highly doubt there is only one spy here.
9:51:08 PM spies6william: well yeah, odds and all
9:51:15 PM spies6william: but it's just you're making a case hours before exile
9:51:31 PM spies6william: when you've been tracking different beats the rest of the episode
9:51:42 PM spies6william: so it's hard for me to completely shift gears
9:51:57 PM spies6william: which thread should I look at in the burg then?
9:52:06 PM spies6rey: well the reason why i switched my opinion
9:52:13 PM spies6rey: is because it was by proccess of elimination.
9:52:16 PM spies6rey: and uhh
9:52:20 PM spies6rey: for our team chats?
9:55:49 PM spies6william: for pete being all late bandwagony
9:56:45 PM spies6william: Anything that'll let me see what you're talking about
9:56:57 PM spies6rey: well you can go look for yourself i guess.
9:56:57 PM spies6rey: spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg90999&action=display&thread=662
9:56:58 PM spies6william: preferrably things posted publicly on the burg
10:01:32 PM spies6william: ughhhhhh this is so last minute
10:01:40 PM spies6william: I'm considering it
10:02:04 PM spies6rey: i'm trying to review my choice too..
10:02:04 PM spies6rey: wait..
10:02:05 PM spies6rey: ><
10:02:56 PM spies6william: plus, now that I know people are playing mind games, I'm worried of possible set-ups and traps
10:04:04 PM spies6rey: yeah, i'm thinking.
10:04:07 PM spies6rey: spies6jaya (8:24:44 PM):i didn't think she was that suspicious, but no one else looks much better to me
10:04:13 PM spies6rey: jaya said that about almathea.
10:04:13 PM spies6rey: :\
10:04:15 PM spies6rey: hmm....
10:04:47 PM spies6william: he gave alma a 6 in his first read, which is slightly something
10:04:53 PM spies6rey: yeah.
10:05:06 PM spies6rey: jaya didn't give a read on people at all which is not helping me right now...
10:05:28 PM spies6william: I didn't have the time to finish mine
10:06:06 PM spies6william: and he said he wont be here for exile
10:06:11 PM spies6william: so no chance of confrontation
10:08:41 PM spies6rey: *sigh*
10:08:44 PM spies6rey: i'm sticking with my vote.
10:09:00 PM spies6william: I think at this point I'm sticking with mine as well
10:09:06 PM spies6william: but I am going to vote minus on roxy
10:09:12 PM spies6william: it'll be put to better use
10:09:16 PM spies6william: and you may get your wish
10:10:10 PM spies6rey: haha i would rather you use your - vote on georgia or gretchen. -.-
10:10:22 PM spies6rey: there are already tons of - votes on roxy already.
10:10:27 PM spies6rey: nobody is even voting her.
10:10:39 PM spies6rey: look even more evidence why we should exile pete:
10:10:40 PM spies6rey: 4:11:18 PM Paris: what's your take on people like allie and gabriela
4:12:08 PM spies6pete: well, not so much every line, but, there are some parts i remember and, i will certainly look at our teams contributions
4:12:19 PM spies6pete: ill have to compare notes with tib
4:12:21 PM spies6pete: anyways
4:12:24 PM spies6pete: um, allie?
4:12:34 PM Paris: alma something
4:12:44 PM spies6pete: ooo, al-mafia
4:12:48 PM Paris: she told us to refer to her as Ally lol
4:12:50 PM Paris: rofl
4:13:03 PM spies6pete: dont u dare tell her i said that
4:13:13 PM Paris: lol why would you be afraid if i did?
4:13:21 PM Paris: shouldn't matter if you think she's mafia
4:13:22 PM spies6pete: anyways, um....she seemed quite ditzy at the pre-game
4:13:33 PM spies6pete:
4:13:52 PM spies6pete: so, i will be looking at her, because if memory serves she changed quite a bit after the announcement
10:12:15 PM spies6rey: 8:33:45 PM Paris: yeah I havent really read the alma read yet. I should get on that lol but thats what a lot of people seem to be leading into
8:38:07 PM Paris: in that littlle segment jenya posted
8:38:10 PM Paris: alma did seem panicky
8:38:21 PM spies6pete: oh has she already done it? grrrr
8:38:35 PM Paris: lol
10:12:54 PM spies6william: I dont get why the last part
10:12:59 PM spies6william: that you just posted
10:13:03 PM spies6rey: :38:21 PM spies6pete: oh has she already done it? grrrr
10:13:11 PM spies6rey: what do you suppose that could mean?
10:13:15 PM spies6william: jenya posted the logs
10:14:29 PM spies6william: do you think he means "has alma already 'seemed panicky'? grrr I'm angry cause the spies are going to lose"
10:14:38 PM spies6william: that's not what I get
10:15:11 PM spies6rey: i dunno.
10:15:13 PM spies6rey: *shrug*
10:15:46 PM spies6william: what day was this?
10:16:08 PM spies6william: becauset he first log would work against him completely bandwagoning
10:16:28 PM spies6rey: it's not my convo.
10:16:30 PM spies6rey: ask paris.
10:16:32 PM spies6rey: :-P
10:17:24 PM spies6rey: but really though.. the negative vote is useless on roxy.
10:17:32 PM spies6rey: nobody is voting her and she is already getting some.
10:17:42 PM spies6rey: using it on someone like georgia would be better.
10:19:18 PM spies6william: I'm a little uneasy with that
10:19:40 PM spies6rey: you think i'm lying to you about that? o.O
10:19:59 PM spies6rey: the only person that would vote roxyw ould be gretchen, and with the thor/tiberius' minus vote on her..
10:20:08 PM spies6rey: it makes your completely USELESS.
10:20:27 PM spies6rey: it would help me a lot if you at least voted georgia with your minus..
10:20:29 PM spies6rey: or vote pete.
10:20:30 PM spies6rey: -.-
10:20:32 PM spies6william: I meant more about georgia getting a minus vote
10:20:36 PM spies6rey: oh, haha.
10:20:55 PM spies6william: and I think a few may still vote roxy, but not sure
10:21:15 PM spies6rey: i don't think so at all.
10:21:18 PM spies6rey: yvette won't.
10:21:20 PM spies6rey: tiberius won't./
10:21:21 PM spies6rey: thor won't
10:21:24 PM spies6rey: i won't.
10:21:27 PM spies6rey: jaya won't.
10:21:29 PM spies6rey: uhh..
10:21:34 PM spies6rey: ed won't.
10:21:45 PM spies6rey: i can't remember the others.
10:21:54 PM spies6william: well I don't know any other targets I want to save
10:22:22 PM spies6william: as far as people being suspected
10:22:33 PM spies6rey: do you think georgia is a spy?
10:22:37 PM spies6rey: gretchen?
10:23:29 PM spies6william: I find them both suspicious, so yeah
10:23:36 PM spies6william: as much as I can think anyone a spy at this point
10:24:11 PM spies6rey: well whatever. i tried my best to convince you that pete is a spy.
10:25:14 PM spies6william: yes. I will definately keep all this in mind, especially if you get imprisoned like you say you may be
10:25:43 PM spies6rey: uhh no.
10:25:59 PM spies6rey: if i get imprisoned i don't give you the right to keep in mind anything i said.
10:26:02 PM spies6rey: pretend you never met me.
10:26:11 PM spies6william: o.O
10:26:21 PM spies6rey: i'm going to be pissed if end game pete is a spy.
10:26:57 PM spies6william: understandably
10:27:26 PM spies6rey: i have like little support for my exile on pete..
10:27:50 PM spies6rey: people understand my argument but say that it's "TOO LATE" for them to switch so it makes them feel uncomfortable.
10:28:03 PM spies6rey: they give me their - votes but not their + votes.
10:28:05 PM spies6rey: grrr..
10:28:16 PM spies6rey: pete is such a spy and you guys can't see it.
10:28:24 PM spies6william: I think it's also "why just now do you bring this up"
10:28:38 PM spies6rey: well i told everyone that i JUST looked into it today.
10:29:25 PM spies6william: I know, but it looks fishy obviously
10:29:49 PM spies6william: and honestly, you're acting a little bit like a sore townie
10:29:58 PM spies6william: people aren't going to listen to every case you make
10:30:09 PM spies6william: I think I'm being bitter
10:30:11 PM spies6william: sorry
10:30:46 PM spies6rey: haha you haven't been giving your thoughts at all and you find a problem with me trying to get mine out there?
10:31:01 PM spies6rey: xD well good luck at exile.
10:31:53 PM spies6william: look, we all aren't perfect players and it's irritating when you and yvette walk all over people. I know we need to be tough with each other to get the spies to slip up, but it frustrates the hell out of me
10:32:33 PM spies6william: yes, I was busy this round. You weren't very active on different trains of thought, then changed gears just today and instead of posting your case in the forum you went on aim with it
10:32:54 PM spies6rey: well yeah, i had to make sure each of you seen it first hand.
10:33:04 PM spies6rey: do you see my case on almathea all over the previous discussion thread?
10:33:06 PM spies6rey: hell no.
10:33:09 PM spies6william: ugh, I'm getting into a mood, fair warning I may sound like a wall for a while
10:33:11 PM spies6rey: i went to everyone to get them to vote her.
10:33:15 PM spies6rey: haha it's okay.
10:33:55 PM spies6william: well at the time your post of just "I'm voting pete. You should too" bugged me
10:34:05 PM spies6william: I know you have more than just that now
10:43:00 PM spies6william: I'm sorry. I probably do suck at this game, but I am trying a bit. It's just tough to juggle with life and all, and I'm going to try to be more active, or at least better-ly active.
10:43:21 PM spies6rey: haha it's okay.
10:43:26 PM spies6rey: i didn't mean to offend you.
10:43:31 PM spies6rey: i think i'm overwhelmed.
10:45:03 PM spies6william: well you do put a lot of work into this game, I can tell that.