So guys I'd like some advice...

[Ellis]

...On a topic not really related to "Spies" at all.

Here's the thang. I'm always looking for good music, and I don't particularly care if it's old or new. But my usual word-of-mouth people seem to have dried up recently.

I quite liked "Dream Theater"'s melodies when Jason used 'em at the start of one of his videos. And, y'know, I can always go for a good bit of prog rock, as long as it's not too self-indulgent and pompous. So I went out and downloaded me some Dream Theater mp3s; and while I quite like some of the songs, the lyrics are like someone took the thickest, dullest-minded emo kid, held him upside down until his brains fell out, shook the brains until any trace of anything that wasn't an inane cliche had been removed, put the brains into a blender, mixed them up into random meaningless bits, made random meaningless lyrics out of what was left, and put them to music. Literally, they're SO teeth-gnashingly irritating and cliche'd, it makes me want to pull my ears off.</rant> But I do like some of their tunes.

So... I live in Britain, which is not a good place to live if you're looking for good music.** I'm looking for good tunes. I don't particularly mind what they are, as long as they're good. I'll try just about anything (except house music or Slipknot, I'm not completely bonkers.) Right now I'm looking to expand my softer rock / metal / prog rock side, but I'll listen to anything, even hippity hop, if it's good.

Sooo... most of you guys are a few years younger than me, but not teenagers, right? You gotta know some good music that isn't either made solely for the fifty-year-old audience, the twelve-year-old audience, or both. (That'd be McFly in the latter category.) What do you guys like and recommend from your own music collections? Doesn't matter how old it is or where it comes from.

_{**On the plus side, I don't live in Ireland or Canada. That's gotta be a good thing.}

[Kirsten]

I have a terrific collection of house music. I also have slipknot, and some dream theater. Call me if interested.

I also pretty much adore adore adore the Jonas Brothers, have every song Britney has ever done, and LOVE Miley Cyrus.

Again, call if interested.

[Kirsten]

Anyway, I listen mostly to melodic death metal, but I also dabble in industrial, black, white, mixed race, power, symphonic, progressive, swamp, viking, heroic folk, nintendocore and in yo face metal. Some of those are serious. Some...not so much. My music is probably a little harder, angrier, more growly than soft rock/metal/prog rock, but if it interests you, let me know and I can give you the sampler platter.

[Ellis]

Aug 4, 2009 19:06:00 GMT -5 Kirsten said:

I have a terrific collection of house music. I also have slipknot, and some dream theater. Call me if interested.

I also pretty much adore adore adore the Jonas Brothers, have every song Britney has ever done, and LOVE Miley Cyrus.

Again, call if interested.

Heeheeheeheehee.

[Ellis]

Aug 4, 2009 19:10:04 GMT -5 Kirsten said:

Anyway, I listen mostly to melodic death metal, but I also dabble in industrial, black, white, mixed race, power, symphonic, progressive, swamp, viking, heroic folk, nintendocore and in yo face metal. Some of those are serious. Some...not so much. My music is probably a little harder, angrier, more growly than soft rock/metal/prog rock, but if it interests you, let me know and I can give you the sampler platter.

Hey, anything you can suggest is good. Except the Jonas Brothers (thankfully they're not at all popular over here. Unfortunately the same can't be said of Britney.)

[Levi]

Sooo... most of you guys are a few years younger than me, but not teenagers, right?

I actually am a teenager. I don't know if it's what your looking for, but my favorite album right now is "Leave This Town" by Daughtry.

[Georgia]

I don't know what genre's are... you wear them to cover your ass right?


Pffft. Slipknot is okay if you don't look at them when they are masked. xD The lead singer is hilarious though.



Hmm.. suggestions from my own music listening... which might fit these categories of yours. xD


Pink Floyd, Tool (their videos are epic), Alice in Chains, Deftones, Bob Dylan, Finger Eleven, Queen, Cat Stevens, Eagles, White Zombie -> Rob Zombie (I his horror flick colletcion), Primus, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Soundgarden -> crapcrap forget the name of the "new band", Chris Cornell, Rage Against the Machine, Stone Temple Pilots,

uhmm.. more "metal/alternative" but could be along the lines of Slipknot..... Korn, P.O.D, Linkin Park, System of a Down, Mudvayne, Disturbed, Seether, Shinedown, StoneSour (Softer version of Slipknot, lead singers "side group"), A Perfect Circle ("softer" version of Tool, lead singer's side group) .. metal covers a lot of sub-genres. lol. What kind of metal?

Metal Sub-genres..

Black, Death, Doom, Drone, Folk, Glam, Gothic, Groove, Industrial, Metalcore, Neo-Classical, Nu, post, Power, Progressive, Sludge, Speed, Stoner, Thrash, .... "cross"... Alternative, Avant-garde, Christian, Extreme, Rap, Symphonic, VIking,



Yeah, these are mostly well-known groups for you. xD

[Georgia]

You could easily, just go to youtube, and listen/watch to a video of a band you already like. Then look to the right, where they list "Related Videos" and such... a lot of the times, they'll list videos of bands which are similar in sound to what you are listening to. xD

[Ellis]

Aug 4, 2009 23:58:54 GMT -5 Georgia said:

You could easily, just go to youtube, and listen/watch to a video of a band you already like. Then look to the right, where they list "Related Videos" and such... a lot of the times, they'll list videos of bands which are similar in sound to what you are listening to. xD

Nice suggestion, I've never thought to try that. Also with your previous post you automatically win the thread.

[DC]

Brian - ROFL at both your posts.


I love Apocalyptica. Try listening to this one:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IXqWnZi3RY

I quite liked "Dream Theater"'s melodies when Jason used 'em at the start of one of his videos. And, y'know, I can always go for a good bit of prog rock, as long as it's not too self-indulgent and pompous. So I went out and downloaded me some Dream Theater mp3s; and while I quite like some of the songs, the lyrics are like someone took the thickest, dullest-minded emo kid, held him upside down until his brains fell out, shook the brains until any trace of anything that wasn't an inane cliche had been removed, put the brains into a blender, mixed them up into random meaningless bits, made random meaningless lyrics out of what was left, and put them to music. Literally, they're SO teeth-gnashingly irritating and cliche'd, it makes me want to pull my ears off.</rant> But I do like some of their tunes.

Goddamnit Yves, GO SEE TRANSFORMERS 2 AND WRITE A REVIEW.

[Almathea]

Ellis I will let you know now that you can never say 'thank God I'm not Irish' with regards to music - check out wikipedia and be blown away by the amount of artists who are actually Irish and you never knew - (I'm not talking about U2, once they said they were british, traitors) - I'm talking Van Morrison, Aphex Twin, Thin Lizzy etc

Also I am an everyman with music. I literally populate every Pop Forum/Pretentious Indie Forum (shudder)/Alternative/Hip Hop ... EVERY FORUM ... and download any reccomendations. I stick them on Recently Added, listen and give FIVE STARS to those I like - then check out that artist.

The latest additions to my Like side of my iPod are Vashti Bunyan, Florence + Machine, Ladyhawke, Michael Jackson (srsly guyz dont know why i never explored past his famous songs), David Bowie (same again), Damon Albarn's Mali Music, Anthony & the Johnsons and Jurrasic 5.

And don't slag Britney ELLIS. Let me tell you about her:
1st album - wouldnt listen to the bubblegum pop album (im not a pretentious music fan, but I wouldnt) but made her an icon, with 2 videos/songs in particular.
2nd album - more of the same bubblegum pop trend, wouldnt be caught dead with it.
3rd album - again, not caught dead but progression.
4th album - now here is where she leaves the realms of boyband/tween pop and gives us a classic pop song - Toxic. A song revered by pretentious indie snobs and tweens alike. Also has a promising few tracks - she could be a songwriter if her life wasnt so messed up. But still...

5th album - NOW! During britney's breakdown she managed to record this abosulte master piece. Its so dark and great. Every track is mind blowingly good pop. But unfortunately the embarrasing videos/state of her at the time people lump this into the 'ZOMG POP I R OLD/SNOB'. The songs on here could have become HUGE and guilty pleasures/pop classics like Toxic.

6th album - complete regression except for bonus tracks and the tracks she wrote - again has potential as a song writer.

Britney is a guilty pleasure of mine. I don't knowalbum #5 Blackout would ever suit your tastes Ellis but I wouldn't knock her.

/long post.

[Ellis]

Aug 5, 2009 12:18:19 GMT -5 Almathea said:

Ellis I will let you know now that you can never say 'thank God I'm not Irish' with regards to music - check out wikipedia and be blown away by the amount of artists who are actually Irish and you never knew - (I'm not talking about U2, once they said they were british, traitors) - I'm talking Van Morrison, Aphex Twin, Thin Lizzy etc

Also I am an everyman with music. I literally populate every Pop Forum/Pretentious Indie Forum (shudder)/Alternative/Hip Hop ... EVERY FORUM ... and download any reccomendations. I stick them on Recently Added, listen and give FIVE STARS to those I like - then check out that artist.

The latest additions to my Like side of my iPod are Vashti Bunyan, Florence + Machine, Ladyhawke, Michael Jackson (srsly guyz dont know why i never explored past his famous songs), David Bowie (same again), Damon Albarn's Mali Music, Anthony & the Johnsons and Jurrasic 5.

And don't slag Britney ELLIS. Let me tell you about her:
1st album - wouldnt listen to the bubblegum pop album (im not a pretentious music fan, but I wouldnt) but made her an icon, with 2 videos/songs in particular.
2nd album - more of the same bubblegum pop trend, wouldnt be caught dead with it.
3rd album - again, not caught dead but progression.
4th album - now here is where she leaves the realms of boyband/tween pop and gives us a classic pop song - Toxic. A song revered by pretentious indie snobs and tweens alike. Also has a promising few tracks - she could be a songwriter if her life wasnt so messed up. But still...

5th album - NOW! During britney's breakdown she managed to record this abosulte master piece. Its so dark and great. Every track is mind blowingly good pop. But unfortunately the embarrasing videos/state of her at the time people lump this into the 'ZOMG POP I R OLD/SNOB'. The songs on here could have become HUGE and guilty pleasures/pop classics like Toxic.

6th album - complete regression except for bonus tracks and the tracks she wrote - again has potential as a song writer.

Britney is a guilty pleasure of mine. I don't knowalbum #5 Blackout would ever suit your tastes Ellis but I wouldn't knock her.

/long post.

First off, I was (mostly) joking about Ireland and Canada - although we don't hear the good stuff played on the radio over here much.

I'm gonna hold my ground on Britney. If I'm looking for guilty pleasures, I'd go for Biz ("Kandy Pop!") or the Spice Girls (Spice World = one of the most underrated movies ever made). But Britney? "Toxic" revered? By WHO?

And goddamn it, you know I'll have to check out this mysterious "fifth album" now, just to see if there's anything more to it. DAMN YOU SAMSON!

In all seriousness though, Ireland has some good things going for it (and you're right, I had no idea Aphex Twin was Irish) but the thing is, if you want the good stuff, you actually have to go out and look for it - and, unless you download illegally or use Georgia's "youtube" method (which is actually a fantastic idea, and one that never occurred to me before) you have to pay for it. I'd rather go on recommendation.

Oh, and before the Canadians here line up to mutilate me: the three most famous Canadian artists here are Nickelback, Bryan Adams, and Celine. In terms of what you actually hear played though, the latter two's good stuff (if there's any good stuff come from Nickelback then I've yet to hear it) takes a back seat to "My Heart Will Go On" and "Everything I Do". Remember when I said I couldn't stand inane lyrics?

Having said that, for the sake of balance and on the pro-Canadian stance... who didn't secretly love "All By Myself?" Classic song if ever there was one.


But to everyone - I'm loving all these recommendations, and will try and check as many of 'em as I can out. Cheers!

[Kirsten]

I think the new Soundgarden is Audioslave, but I could be wrong about that.

This is a good Apocalyptica song

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfTfh-4DqBU

Anyway, I listen mostly to melodic death metal, but I also dabble in industrial, black, white, mixed race, power, symphonic, progressive, swamp, viking, heroic folk, nintendocore and in yo face metal. Some of those are serious. Some...not so much. My music is probably a little harder, angrier, more growly than soft rock/metal/prog rock, but if it interests you, let me know and I can give you the sampler platter.

Done! I managed to find music to fit most of those categories (was too lazy to search for Progressive/NintendoCore, but did get Viking Metal, so it more than makes up for it. I mean they have a song called "Guardians of Asgaard". Talk about kickass!). I do listen to a lot of melodic death metal, actually (I was serious about that), so if you find yourself interested at all, I can give you more places to look.

My suggestion to you is this. Go to pandora.com. Enter in a band you like. Listen to the music pandora picks for you. Thumbs up the songs you like. Thumbs down the songs you dislike. Pandora will start to craft your station into a station tailored to your tastes.

[Kirsten]

Also, since I heard Nickelback mentioned, this would be a good place for me to say how much I hate Nickelback.

Just saying.

[Ellis]

Aug 5, 2009 14:36:32 GMT -5 Kirsten said:

I think the new Soundgarden is Audioslave, but I could be wrong about that.

This is a good Apocalyptica song

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfTfh-4DqBU

Anyway, I listen mostly to melodic death metal, but I also dabble in industrial, black, white, mixed race, power, symphonic, progressive, swamp, viking, heroic folk, nintendocore and in yo face metal. Some of those are serious. Some...not so much. My music is probably a little harder, angrier, more growly than soft rock/metal/prog rock, but if it interests you, let me know and I can give you the sampler platter.

Done! I managed to find music to fit most of those categories (was too lazy to search for Progressive/NintendoCore, but did get Viking Metal, so it more than makes up for it. I mean they have a song called "Guardians of Asgaard". Talk about kickass!). I do listen to a lot of melodic death metal, actually (I was serious about that), so if you find yourself interested at all, I can give you more places to look.

My suggestion to you is this. Go to pandora.com. Enter in a band you like. Listen to the music pandora picks for you. Thumbs up the songs you like. Thumbs down the songs you dislike. Pandora will start to craft your station into a station tailored to your tastes.

I loved Pandora, until they stopped being able to run it in the UK due to performance licencing issues. So that one's off the table unfortunately.

And talking of which, when I follow your link to the YouTube video, I get: "This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions."

So much for the free, border-less Internet, eh?

[Kirsten]

Al Gore is behind this somehow. I know it.

[Ellis]

Aug 5, 2009 9:41:39 GMT -5 DC said:

Brian - ROFL at both your posts.


I love Apocalyptica. Try listening to this one:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IXqWnZi3RY

I quite liked "Dream Theater"'s melodies when Jason used 'em at the start of one of his videos. And, y'know, I can always go for a good bit of prog rock, as long as it's not too self-indulgent and pompous. So I went out and downloaded me some Dream Theater mp3s; and while I quite like some of the songs, the lyrics are like someone took the thickest, dullest-minded emo kid, held him upside down until his brains fell out, shook the brains until any trace of anything that wasn't an inane cliche had been removed, put the brains into a blender, mixed them up into random meaningless bits, made random meaningless lyrics out of what was left, and put them to music. Literally, they're SO teeth-gnashingly irritating and cliche'd, it makes me want to pull my ears off.</rant> But I do like some of their tunes.

Goddamnit Yves, GO SEE TRANSFORMERS 2 AND WRITE A REVIEW.

That YouTube video won't play over here either. Dammit, is there some way to spoof an American IP if you're not (American)?

And no, I am NOT going to see Transformers 2! Would you really want me to go through two and a half hours of extreme mental torture just to provide you with a few hundred thousand words worth of ranting? I am not your butt-monkey!

[Judge Sam]

jsyk my cousin visited last week and he is a huge movie fan and he said transformers 1 was literally the best movie he had ever seen in his life and raved about it

[Kirsten]

I haven't seen either, but I've heard transformers two was really, really awful.

[Ellis]

Aug 5, 2009 15:12:29 GMT -5 Judge Sam said:

jsyk my cousin visited last week and he is a huge movie fan and he said transformers 1 was literally the best movie he had ever seen in his life and raved about it

Now you're just trying to get a reaction out of me. But I will not bite. You hear me? I... WILL... NOT... BITE. I WILL NOT! I WILL NOT!

I think I need psychiatric ...

[DC]

The Al Gore comment and Samson's irrational love for Britney made me laugh.

Yves, clearly none of these songs were meant for you to hear, if you're having so many problems. Go listen to Roxette's "Fading Like a Flower" 90s rock instead, okay?

And you are my butt-monkey.

[Kirsten]

www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11813

[DC]

Yessss thank you.

[Jason]

Yves, I'm going to tell John Petrucci what you said about his lyrics!! j/k

Anyway, if you like prog rock check out Riverside (02 Panic Room), Roswell Six (Swept Away), Vanden Plas (Christ 0), Pain of Salvation (Fandango, and their name sounds like it would fit Jason perfectly...), Vision Divine (Versions of the Same), and if you're feeling really funky and scarily experimental, try out Mr. Bungle (Ars Moriendi) and Shaolin Death Squad (A Story Lives Forever).

And if you like the more metal side go with Blotted Science (Laser Lobotomy), Freak Kitchen (Razor Flowers), Iced Earth (Red Baron/Blue Max).

And if you're looking for cheesy 'happy metal' go with Khymera's "Beautiful Life"!


Hopefully there's at least one band you like or would like out of all that ; D

P.S. my favorite lame Dream Theater lyric is: "I've been trying to justify you but in the end I'll just defy you."... I listen them for the music :"(

[Georgia]

Yes. Soundgarden > Audioslave. I was having brAin spazzes at that time.

I third Apocalyptica. I can't remember why precisely. I was listening to a collaboration of theirs last night, can't remember who though.


lol @ Transformers. It was so good until they made movies.

[sluticia]

vimeo.com/3466324

This is what I recommend. I saw them at Warped and they were so fabulous in person.

[Ariel]

Nobody likes my kind of music <.<;;

Also, NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR FROM JASON THE SCUMSPY!!! GO AWAY WE DON'T WANT YOUR KIND HERE.

[Jason]

But I drive a lovely Spy bus!

[Faith]

To be honest Canada gets bombarded with American music for the most part *shrugs* and yes Nickleback. lmao. As a Canadian I actually don't mind them but I find myself in the minority amongst my friends. They hate them.

Anyways I figured I'd show what Canadian artists I have on my itunes that you might not have heard of and might like.

My personal favourite: Three Days Grace
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbHn1Pgj6Zk

Finger Eleven
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYGCT4AQIR0&feature=fvw

Mobile
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxkNLkpZsFU

Metric
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL0n_2uwpE8

From The East Coast!! Great Big Sea
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AvkyHCU7XU

Spirit Of The West
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPJD3qcIL7s

[Kirsten]

Aug 5, 2009 16:15:45 GMT -5 Jason said:

P.S. my favorite lame Dream Theater lyric is: "I've been trying to justify you but in the end I'll just defy you."... I listen them for the music :"(

Lame? Maybe it's time you fixed your lame-o-meter. That is, in fact, the direct opposite of lame. Let me describe how awesome this is in a more scientific fashion.



Those song lyrics begin in the "Totally Lame" section, but they are so unbelievably lame that they actually exceed the value limit of the totally lame section. So then they have to move to the next section of the chart, which happens to be "Freaking Awesome." It's like how if you have a value greater than 2pi it wraps back around the circle.

Those song lyrics are in fact, so unbelievably lame, that they actually become ridiculously sweet. Like, I have to give them insane credit for even being able to compose something so lame, and it's my insane respect for that venture that causes the crossover effect into the Freaking Sweet section.

And I just drew a picture in paint, and wrote like 3 paragraphs about a single line of lyrics, but you know what, it's worth it. I feel like I need to go out and listen to Dream Theater now, because if they can produce such intense lyrics then I can only hope the rest of their music can be that level of quality.

_{P.S. I need a hobby}