Going after Yvette

[Jason]

Just wanted to let you all know that Jason will be going after Yvette tomorrow. I'll include the post I wrote up at the bottom of this.
Basically I want to give enough information to get people talking and debating the issue, and then the Citizens will take it into their own hands in run with it. And at the same time, I'll get some heat for starting the Bandwagon on a Citizen (IF it succeeds anyway) and that'll explain me not getting Imprisoned!
Anyway, here's the post; I'll make it when I wake up...

Also, if any of you see this before I post it and have input please tell me, especially you, Iris, since you're involved with this case by default already. I'll tailor this however all of you see fit




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Okay guys, there's been a lot of talk recently about an issue that happened in Episode 1 involving Yvette, Robert, Faith, Iris, and Ariel. As we all know Yvette and Robert built fake cases on each other to 'protect' themselves from Imprisonment.
Robert was the first person imprisoned. That plan worked out great, huh.

I think just about all of us agree that someone out of Yvette, Iris, and Faith is a spy, and a lot of us will probably agree that we need to figure out who it is, or who they are if two of them are, that are scum and need to die. So I'm stepping out of the shadows to tell you who I think it is and why...

Fact 1:
One of those people has joked about being a spy many times, including before the game, when joking about an identity wouldn't really make sense because nobody had identities.
...Nobody, that is, except for the spies.


Fact 2:
There has been ONE unsuccessful lynch (Citizen exiled) so far. The same person was responsible for making it happen.

Fact 3:
Yvette seemed very sure that Paris was a Spy all the way up to the Exile chat... But when it was announced that he wasn't a Citizen... suddenly she was shocked. ...Why would that be?


Now lets look at some nice tidbits of conversation. I'll keep these clips pretty short because giant blocks of quotes are annoying.

Sorin the Seeker (6:38:25 PM): Who do you guys think should be saved?
spies6Paris (6:38:30 PM): Roxy
spies6levi (6:38:36 PM): I think Almathea should be saved
spies6Yvette (6:38:47 PM): I think Almathea should be saved.
spies6rey (6:39:09 PM): okay save almathea, she's good looking anyways.

So Yvette was the first to want to save Alma, the first Spy we caught...

spies6mirela (8:21:01 PM): do tell
spies6jason (8:21:08 PM): WHO says they were fake, Yvette? that could be convenient to say after Robert's gone
spies6Jenya (8:21:15 PM): And Iris and Faith and Ariel
spies6jason (8:21:22 PM): ok nevermind, case shot down lol
spies6oswald (8:21:27 PM): LOL
spies6Jenya (8:21:39 PM): It was a top secret plan.
spies6Boris (8:21:40 PM): has rey posted the chat log where it was first hatched?
spies6levi (8:21:43 PM): Don't worry
spies6iris (8:21:44 PM): Yes, they were fake all along, and in retrospect it was a terrible idea. Yvette is pretty convincing...she convinced me that it would save her and Robert from the Spies. At the time...
spies6Jenya (8:21:50 PM): With only one or two spies in the loop.
spies6levi (8:21:50 PM): Jason, I thought the same thing
spies6levi (8:21:53 PM): When I first heard this

So Iris thinks Yvette convinced people to go along with the plan. It sounds like Yvette was manipulating people to serve her needs which definitely sounds Spyish. Robert paid for it with his life.

spies6iris (8:45:33 PM): Faith, do you actually know who ORIGINATED this plan? Was it Robert's idea or Yvette?
spies6Faith (8:45:48 PM): I honestly have no clue
spies6Jenya (8:45:50 PM): Mirela, Ariel gets a half a brownie point for helping exile Almathea.
spies6Faith (8:45:57 PM): when I was invited Robert/Ariel/Yvette were in the room
spies6levi (8:46:09 PM): I like brownies
spies6mirela (8:46:10 PM): ah i see
spies6Faith (8:46:12 PM): It sounded to me Yvette

Apparently Iris isn't the only one who thinks Yvette was in charge of things; Faith does, too.





It seems to me like for that plan citizens were drawn in at random... If the plan was to save themselves from Imprisonment... Wouldn't it make sense to be concerned over WHO was invited instead of just whoever was online at the time?? Faith and Iris certainly couldn't have been confirmed or anywhere near confirmed Citizens to Yvette when that plan was made, so why were they invited"? Better yet, how could Yvette feel safe about Ariel and Robert?
It doesn't make sense to make a plan to trick Spies into not imprisoning you without being sure that a Spy isn't let in on your plans from the beginning.
Yvette doesn't seem stupid at all, yet that's a stupid situation. One answer could be that she's a Spy and didn't need to worry about who was in on the plan; as long as she made herself look good beforegetting rid of Robert and then blaming someone else.




The last quote to look at is this one, which is the most damning of all...

Judge Sam (10:40:54 PM): It is now time to find out if Paris was a Citizen or a Spy.
Judge Sam (10:40:57 PM): Paris was a....

spies6Yvette (10:40:57 PM): Spy!

spies6levi (10:40:58 PM): I hope your right Yvette!
spies6Yvette (10:41:01 PM): Let's go for a double correct lynch!
spies6Tiberius (10:41:02 PM): Spy?
spies6ellis (10:41:02 PM): Yvette, has there been a citizen exiled yet?
spies6mirela (10:41:03 PM): ommmmm
Judge Sam (10:41:07 PM): Paris was.....
spies6levi (10:41:08 PM): Callahan
spies6ellis (10:41:10 PM): oh yes callahan
spies6Ariel (10:41:11 PM): Hush, Ellis <<
spies6iris (10:41:11 PM): Ellis, yes, Callahan!
spies6levi (10:41:11 PM): cortesy of Yvette
spies6Yvette (10:41:12 PM): Only once! Although Callahan was a spy.
spies6ellis (10:41:12 PM): forgot him
spies6Yvette (10:41:14 PM): So no, there has not.
spies6donald (10:41:15 PM): two spies would be sweet


Judge Sam (10:41:17 PM): Not a Citizen.....
spies6Jenya (10:41:22 PM): holy crap
spies6Ariel (10:41:22 PM): !
spies6Yvette (10:41:23 PM): WHA.



spies6levi (10:41:24 PM): OMG
spies6donald (10:41:24 PM): Yay!
spies6iris (10:41:26 PM): Woo hoo!
spies6oswald (10:41:26 PM): OMG
spies6Roxy (10:41:26 PM): OMG
spies6levi (10:41:27 PM): NO WAY
spies6MeiYun (10:41:27 PM): LOL!
spies6oswald (10:41:29 PM): 2 SPIES
spies6william (10:41:30 PM): whaaaaat?!!!
spies6Roxy (10:41:31 PM): <3333333333333333333333333333
spies6iris (10:41:32 PM): Beautiful!
spies6Tiberius (10:41:32 PM): WHAT


spies6Yvette (10:41:32 PM): But a super citizen?

So Sam just announced that Paris is NOT a citizen... you can see pretty much everyone being excited about catching a Spy, Oswald even says it, but Yvette just seems confused.


spies6mirela (10:41:33 PM): whooooooa
spies6Gabriela (10:41:33 PM): wait, really?
Judge Sam (10:41:34 PM): and....
spies6rey (10:41:34 PM): OMG WOOT! <3333333
spies6Tiberius (10:41:34 PM): wait?
spies6levi (10:41:34 PM): WE DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
spies6donald (10:41:37 PM): A serial killer!!!


spies6Yvette (10:41:39 PM): He was not a spy?

Wait... How would Yvette know that? She seems almost POSITIVE from the moment Paris was announced as not a citizen that he wasn't a spy, either... Weird...


Everyone can take that however they want but the facts that Yvette has exiled our only Citizen so far, was caught up in a secret plan that doesn't really make any sense when you think about it, and seemed to know Paris wasn't a Spy all along, make me believe that she could be a spy...


I can't take credit for all of the ideas laid out in this post; most of it is just taking the words said in public chats and putting things together, but there are a few people out there that have really helped get this thing going and I'm sure if they want to be made known they'll claim credit here.

Basically I want to talk about it because we need to make a good decision this Exile and if all of this can be cleared up it needs to happen so that we don't make a mistake. And who knows, maybe someone else has even more evidence to add?


I'm sorry if this post was bad, I'm not really good at this... Or anything, really... But I want to try to get better, even if it's futile.

[Donald]

The only thing I see is

Sorin the Seeker (6:38:25 PM): Who do you guys think should be saved?
spies6Paris (6:38:30 PM): Roxy
spies6levi (6:38:36 PM): I think Almathea should be saved
spies6Yvette (6:38:47 PM): I think Almathea should be saved.
spies6rey (6:39:09 PM): okay save almathea, she's good looking anyways.

Levi mentioned Alma first, by 11 seconds, but mentioned saving Alma first. You say it was Yvette.


But on the other hand, I think you should keep your post the way it is. Then maybe it won't look like you tried too hard to make a bulletproof case, and there's also a common characteristic of spies(/mafia/werewolves), they pick out the weakest arguments and attack them. If you leave that "weaker" argument in there, and she (or somebody else) attacks it, and ignores most of the rest of the case, than that's highly suspect.

[Iris]

This is all really good, Jason, and I agree with what Donald says immediately above.

I'm just pointing out something I've been worried about though. If/when we successfully get Yvette exiled, Faith and I will be the only ones left. I have enough people on my side now where I think I can successfully fight Faith to the death...but when she dies too, my head will be on the block.

I don't know what to do about this...I guess we'll just have to plan that eventually I'll be a sacrifice for team Spy, and you guys should bus me at that point to get some town cred.

The only other option is-- Faith trusts me, so if we get rid of Yvette we can try to keep Faith around by convincing her that everyone who was sure one of us in the Yvette/Robert plot had to be a Spy is wrong. But that will be hard to do if I've been saying all along that I think it was an Yvette Spy plot, which is what I've been saying for a while now.

[Pete]

I would like to know why people think one of Faith, Iris or Yvette is a spy....I mean I know it has something to do with the Robert vs Yvette fake thing, but, I dont get the justification for why it has to be one of those three.....

[Jason]

I think the key is we don't exile Faith if we can manage it... If we keep presenting other 'good' and 'strong' cases we ought to be able to ride it out for a while.
And yeah, Pete, that's basically it. It's a lucky guess that happens to be correct -_-

[Iris]

Okay, we'll go with keeping Faith around then, and if it becomes impossible and you guys have to bus me, do it.

[Donald]

We should keep faith around. We may be able to push that maybe it's false that there was a spy in the group, cause that's not known for certain.

[Pete]

Why is it that this game the cits have been so extraordinarily lucky?

Every random guess, every time they mis-analysise something, they turn out to get a spy anyways.....I am still fuming at the shear luck of these cits (they will think its because of their awesome skills....grrrr, I give up)

[Amelia]

Yvette's pretty much a goner. The problem is that they're gonna look at Iris next. Which is manageable, but when Yvette flips Citizen, I think popular opinion is that Iris is more suspicious than Faith.

So, I guess thanks for posting your "suspicions" of me during the challenge.

I honestly didn't mean to suck THAT bad. I WAS trying to subtly throw things off, but it didn't work and only made people notice me. That's fine, though, because no Spy would really be THAT stupid, right?

Anyway, I plan not to try to help the case against Yvette, but I will definitely vote for her based on so many people agreeing. I WILL, though, have to mention that it seems too easy if too many people get on board. It's what Amelia does...she gets paranoid when things are too easy.

We need to start sowing seeds against Faith for the moment while pushing for a Yvette Exile. When Yvette flips Cit, we can steer the mob toward Faith. Hopefully subtly.

[Pete]

I have done my bit for the Yvette case, and no not the post I put in the thread...Ive been talking to Jenya and Gabriela and have planted in their head ideas to go back and look for certain events and such, which they will process as incriminating, and then post onto the board with any luck. I think Gab however thinks that Jasons case is quite weak, but, hopefully the doubt seeds are there.

[Iris]

If I am near Exile I am not going down without a fight, just so you guys know. I will role claim, I already have the role picked out from when I thought I was in trouble with Robert. I'm going to say I have 3 gifts to give through the course of the game but that I had to pick who to give them to before the game started.

I'll pick one person who's dead. The second one will be Jason or Donald (because with their roles they can make it appear that I actually have given a gift). And the third will be someone who suspects me but not too much-- I may be able to buy some time with that one.

[Faith]

Whoo the spies were on my side.

[Ellis]

Aug 12, 2009 15:49:51 GMT -5 Faith said:

Whoo the spies were on my side.

Heeee.