Imprisonment #8 - Due Saturday 8PM CDT

[Judge Sam]

I'm not sure when it is atm I'll edit this topic when I'm sure.


Until then discuss!

[Jason]

Personally I think Tiberius should go right now; he's not in ANY danger of being exiled any time soon and he doesn't whittle down the gigantic original group from which we can hopefully mislynch a few Cits. I'd say if we do anybody else it should be an Oswald or Gretchen type player... Let the big mouths scream each other's heads for for now; it seems to be working ; D

[Pete]

Although I agree with Jason here in some aspects....in my view, we cant keep hoping the big mouths will continue to scream at each other and not look our way....of course, they dont have ANYTHING on me or Jason, so even if they wanted to look our way, it would only be gut. I think Tiberius is a good candidate for imprisonment, it removes another trusted player, it also forces Rey to trust both me and Jason more. Though we have to tread carefully.

I have to say though, Jenya needs to go fairly soonish....shes a bit too clever for her own good. I really think Gretchen and Oswald need to stick around though, they are great cannon fodder if need be.

[Amelia]

I'd like to keep Jenya around. She defended me and I think that from a couple more AIM conversations, I can get on her good side, even if she doesn't bring me into the inner circle.


I think Tibs is a great Exile. He and I chatted and he was all "I want to give you a chance to defend yourself." I gave him the song and dance about "reasonable doubt" and how I have "three scenarios" about how I could have gotten the Immunity -- it was a Sam strange thing, it was Iris trying to frame me, and it was a dead Cit who told the wrong person (my 'best' theory is that it was Gabs who was on the original team with Alma and Jaya and if she told Jaya, all of the other Spies knew too) -- and he still voted for me. He's so ineffectual that he's lead-able, but I don't like the fact that he might keep gunning for me for lack of anything more poignant to say. Also, no one's gonna Exile him, so he's as good as Cop-cleared.

[Judge Sam]

Immune from Imprisonment #8:

[Pete]

....
Ok, so yeah as we were saying, we definetly didnt want to imprison Tiberius anyways....
This in my opinion, was the work of the imprisonment immunity up for grabs in the challenge, it probably wouldnt be able to be deflected (I'm not even sure if Jason could even use his power here, I'm just saying)

[Judge Sam]

Immune from Imprisonment #8:

[Jason]

THREE? Okay so not only is Jenya the Protector... There's obviuosly ANOTHER role out there.

FUCK YOU ANONYMOUS ROLE ASSHOLE!

So yeah Pete, like we were saying, seeing how Tiberius would be a bad Imprisonment choice I think we should go after someone else.

Also, I can no longer use my Deflection after the Immunities are posted because that wouldn't be fair, so I can't deflect off of Tiberius to get rid of him at this point.


This makes me happy though, it proves Jenya really does trust me; she said she was protecting us both this round with the help of my Deflection.

[Judge Sam]

Due Saturday 8PM CDT

[Pete]

Well...I dont think there is necessarily another role out there (although, there has to be, theres hardly any roles being claimed at all) that gives immunities, maybe this was one of the prizes, because, in fact I remember when I was offered a choice of the three rewards, one of them was an immunity for any imprisonment they liked.

[Pete]

Ok guys, so, we need a new imprisonment choice....I actually at this point dont mind if Oswald or Gretchen is selected, I think it would be good for us anyways...

Georgia
There is a very good case for imprisoning her, as nearly everyone believes she is a citizen. Not only that but she is very hard to control and her ways of thinking are so illogical, although they have helped us so far, she may end up hurting us later down the road. The only negative I can think of is that because she tends to vote whoever the heck she wants, she could almost count as a null voter as she tends to not vote for whoever the majority does.

Roxy
Roxy is another citizen that everyone pretty much agrees on, she is slightly more active then how Pete is, and we can almost use that as a reason to kick start Pete up (I've purposely kept him lying low, and Ive wanted an excuse to step up another level). I dont think she can so easily be controlled as we would otherwise like, but at the same time, she does trust myself and Jason (I think) so....removing her isnt the best thing in the world, but I'm willing to do it.

Oswald
Being replaced so many times, it is hard to suspect Oswald or pin anything on him. Any slip up he could make is overlooked by him not being familiar with the role or have consistent suspicions. Oswald is very swayable at this moment in time, so, with the strong cases against Rey and the other 'big mouth players' if we keep him in, we can almost be sure that he will vote on that bandwagon and not on the Amelia one. There is no real reason to select him one way or the other *unless* we dont want to give away any information, and so, the exile cases will stand.

Gretchen
Heck, if I say there is something inactive about Gretchen then there really must be something going on. Thing is, I dont think aynone will exile Gretchen any time soon, and so, whilst this imprisonment is what I dub a 'free one' we may want to take this opportunity to remove her. Saying that though, if she somehow, somehow makes it really far in the game, then maybe she would look suspicious? Maybe?

Mirela
This new mirela is extremely intelligent and very rigorious in her methods. Pity she got the Thor thing wrong eh? She does suspect Amelia very much so, so removing her would either look good in that the spies really are trying to frame her, or look really bad in that she is removing potential threats. She relatively trusts the duo of me and Jason, so maybe keeping her around is ok? Who knows?

[Pete]

Ok....its been almost 12 hours and no response from either of you, Im going to go ahead and vote, but I will be up and double check this enough so if any of you want someone in particular gone, I will change my mind.

Vote: Georgia

[Judge Sam]

Pete could you get on AIM? your real one or spies one doesn't matter.

[Judge Sam]

Bummer. You didn't come to a decision. It is partially my fault for not announcing the deadline early enough... however it has been three days since the Exile. It's been more than 2 since I posted the topic... and more than 1 since I gave a deadline.


It is additionally my fault for not posting the Tiberius Immunity earlier I've known that for a bit, it slipped my mind when posting the topic. =/ Despite my errors, there was still sufficient time to conduct an Imprisonment even after the errors were corrected, it's not like this was a same-day thing. It's possible in the future I will give you that much time to decide. I urge you to consider these things far in advance and post multiple preferences in case situations like this arise.


Amelia is on vacation so that's no biggie she posted her thoughts, perhaps in the future be a little more vigilant with posting 2nd / 3rd thoughts but that's not your fault no errors there. Jason did post in this thread after Tiberius was made Immune. I wish you had posted your thoughts then haha, but no biggie.


I have been talking with Pete on AIM, unfortunately for most of that time it was post deadline, so... a decision can't be made past the deadline.


I looked really hard to find your opinions in both previous Imprisonment threads and even your confessionals, even though I can't use those as votes per the rules. I wanted an idea of who you would prefer. Pete did vote for Georgia, though he was the only one and there was no mention of that anywhere else.


Pete also said he would support Gretchen or Oswald. The most important thing is that, in this thread, Jason said he would support Gretchen or Oswald as his second choices. With that in mind I narrowed it down to Gretchen or Oswald.


Unfortunately there is no GretchenorOswald to Imprison... it has to be one or the other. Pete voiced an opinion for Gretchen. The thing is, when you don't come to a decision by the deadline, you put it in my hands. Which is definitely not something you want. I never want to choose these things myself however there really isn't a choice the Imprisonment must go on. I don't want to delay it as there are three people gone and that might be used as evidence pointing towards the people who are not here, as well as the fact as it's been three days.


Oswald is in replacement hell and his absence would solve a lot of problems in that respect. Additionally, I looked through Jason's confessional, and although it is not that strong of an opinion, I found two entries in the last week which seems to suggest that he would prefer Oswald go before Gretchen.


For that reason I'm going with Oswald to be Imprisoned tonight. Don't make me choose like this in the future! =P

[Pete]

Ok, so essentially the one person I really didnt want to remove, goes and gets the whack. . Right, ok, Sam, from now on we will reach an agreement, and we will learn from this, but, at the same time, I think its only fair that you give us a definitive quota on how many of us have to vote in order for you to take it as our 'decision'. Obviously one of two is not enough (Amelia is not here) so, does it have to be unanimous from now on?

[Jason]

I'm sorry I was out of town today for a good friend's wedding, I should've checked the forums before I left this morning :/

[Judge Sam]

I think its only fair that you give us a definitive quota on how many of us have to vote in order for you to take it as our 'decision'. Obviously one of two is not enough (Amelia is not here) so, does it have to be unanimous from now on?

two out of three.

[Pete]

The real reason Oswald was eliminated.
Modkill.

I'm glad it worked out this way though, but at the time, I wasn't too happy with Sam's decision

[Donald]

LOL.

Oswald nightkill explained...