Imprisonment #11 - Due 7:45 PM CDT Tues

[Judge Sam]

Talk about it, tell me what you're thinkin, and choose one of the eight remaining Citizens to off.


No one will be Immune from Imprisonment so you can choose whoever you like... hopefully both of you will be able to find each other on AIM today or tomorrow to talk about it.

[Pete]

Weve already talked about it, in length and in short. We both agree it is Jenya's time to go, and that is that.

Unless something major happens by tomorrow that is, but, I really doubt that.

VOTE: JENYA

[Jason]

Yes yes yes, VOTE JENYA!

The only thing that would make me even consider against that would be if a lot of people subscribed to the "Either Jenya or Jason is a Spy" theory, but at this point even that isn't enough I don't think... JENYA MUST DIE!!! NO MORE EVIL SCHEMES OR DOUBLE CROSSING OR PARANOIA!

[Jason]

Okay I went through the pros and cons of Exiling vs. Imprisoning Jenya in my confessional so I'll post it here... And yes, I talk to myself during my confessionals so ignore that

Jason - Right... Gretchen and Mirela, ella, ella. I'm hoping Mirela goes first and I won't vote for her... If Pete and I both vote against someone else going we'll look better when Mirela flips Citizen. Then we run into some problems because I'd like to see Georgia go before Gretchen. Gretchen has a lot of suspicion on her; by the time we reach the end it'll be very easy to sway one vote onto her. Georgia, however, isn't suspected that heavily and I don't like that.

The alternative solution to this... Is Imprison Roxy tonight, Georgia next, and try to exile Jenya. THIS plan has tons of potential problems:

1. Jenya is wildly unpredictable and uncontrollable.
2. Jenya will do crazy, senseless things, follow insane theories regarding group placement and gender, which are completely out of our control, and generally make Pete and I want to go on a mass murdering spree.
3. A lot of people still treat Jenya as an absolutely confirmed Citizen even though she has as much a chance at being a Spy as I do. (Well, ignoring the fact that I AM a Spy)
4. Pete and I both want her dead ASAP damn it!

The potential benefits to this is...

1. If Jenya ISN'T Imprisoned people are going to start to wonder why not... as opposed to wondering why I, the Destiny Deflector, wasn't.
2. With Jenya's Khaled vote after saying he PASSED her test... It could be very possible, even plausible, to Exile Jenya even ahead of Mirela.
3. It eliminates the need to sway people on to Georgia and gives us three relatively easy Exiles. (And if we can't get Jenya gone right away we can Imprison her after Roxy)

So, I'm sure this is something worth considering; it might make things easier in the end, but it could also make things a lot harder. It's a gambit and a risk. I'm not sure if it's worth taking... but we'll find out soon enough. Oops, did I talk through a commercial break? -_-

Censored real identity - There you go making faces out loud again, Jason. That needs to stop... Anyway, personally I think you should go through with that plan. Worst case scenario is that Jenya comes after you this exile, but trust me, you'd rather take heat THIS exile than in 3 exiles. THIS Exile you'll have a lot of people intent on finishing business with Mirela. in 3 Exiles you won't have that luxury. The key for the two of you is to manage your danger... you're both going to be in danger of Exile before this game ends... Neither of your names have come up as serious Spy suspects and that's going to get you a LOT attention because the less people there are around you the more you stand out. If you stand out while there are better targets around it's possible to slip by for a few rounds, which, in this case would mean victory. Just look at Amelia's surviving several rounds. And no matter how much either of you stand out... Jenya's going to stand out more.

Jason - Well, that's true... but what happens if Jenya succeeds and gets rid of me? Pete will then have to survive several EXTRA episodes to finish the Cits off and won't have anyone else to help sway votes. Being the lone Spy is tons more difficult than having a Spy team or two.

Censored real identity - It's a risk, to be sure. But when you reach the final five and only need to Exile one Cit to win... People are going to be looking at both you and Pete and asking why you haven't been Imprisoned yet. If one of you goes and the other defended you... You'll probably BOTH be found out and go back to back. That's a pretty big risk in itself. If you take your stand now and draw the lines you don't risk tying both Spies's destinies together. Even if you die, Jason, it's possible that Pete get through it and get rid of the rest of the Cits.


Jason - Either way we're going to a roadblock soon... I guess it's a question of whether or not we think we can Exile Jenya without failing and getting me Exiled instead. And it depends on what we think our chances of Exiling Boris or Georgia are.

I want Jenya gone, badly, but do you think we'd be able to pull off trying to Exile her instead?? Is that too bold a move to be trying this late in the game?

[Pete]

This is what Jenya sent to me:

In case I get imprisoned, this is possibly the most important thing I want remembered:

Jason got a role result on Khaled and took it to me instead of killing off Khaled and pretending he got a result on someone else. I'm 99% sure he's a Citizen as a result of that. Khaled agreed.

I know everyone already thinks Jason's a Cit but I think this seals it. And I don't particularly think you two are spies, so I think you're less likely to be imprisoning Jason for this fact.

[Jason]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

[Jason]

After Boris' post I think he looks like a MUCH tougher Exile... and he's made it clear he doesn't suspect Georgia... I think Jenya might have to be an Exile :/

[Jason]

Vote: Still on Jenya

[Jason]

Okay, given that Jenya basically is considering us the two most Confirmed Cits in the game... Do we dare keep her??

[Pete]

I dont know, it is an INSANELY huge risky move to keep her, at this point I no longer think this is some elaborate trap she has set up because, at this stage in the game, it could so backfire on her.
She also pretty much trusts Mirela as well...which changes things slightly....

Option 1:
Keep Jenya In - Try to Exile Her

Obviously if Jenya survives another imprisonment, where she clearly has not got an immunity with her means that she is being kept by the spies. However, if she isnt one of the spies, this is obviously a HUGE role for the citizens and so, why havent they removed her?
The citizens will then have two roads of thought they could take either they could say that she is a spy or she could say she is very closely connected with a spy. One of those will destroy us, the other will win us the game.
We will then have to do a 180 (me especially I have taken the opposite action to Jason at this point and have tried to stand up for Jenya) and say we think Jenya is a spy and get her exiled THAT round. Obviously we will have to hope she hasnt protected herself, but, then again, I dont think she will.

Option 2:
Keep Jenya In - Try to keep her untill the Final Five

Ok, Jason, I know exactly how insanely stupidly risky this is, it would probably be the most daring thing a spy has ever done ever in this game (true I dont really know this for a fact, but who knows) but, it could pay of majorly.
If Jenya really does trust us as much as she says she does, she can be our shield from any more grief we get in this game. She will attract a lot of attention but she will trust us and we can form a voting block of three with the option of maybe including someone else, it could even be Mirela despite how much you think she could be exiled. That is major, as the four of us would then control the game after next exile.
Thing is, she can easily turn on us, SO easily. We wouldnt even know what hit us and a thread 'Jason and Pete are the last two spies' would pop up. I'm not entirely sure if this is our best option. I'm really not.

Option 3:
Remove Jenya - Carry on the game as normal

Weve done perfectly fine without Jenya's help up until this point, sure, she has been a massive contribution to our status as citizens BUT, she actually really hasnt done a whole lot in preventing our exiles. We could carry on the game as we see fit, and hope that Jenya's legacy lives on (Me and you are defintely defintely not spies) and then we can get rid of, hmmm, maybe Gretchen next? We wont have to worry about dodging immunities in who are suspicions are AND theres no more silly little traps which me and you can see from miles away.

[Jason]

Yeah I agree that at this point she must truly actually trust us...

If we go with Option 1 we do risk the 180 suspicion... UNLESS we defend Jenya and get everyone ELSE to go after her... I suggested she protect Mirela just in case we decide to do that because Mirela is an easy Exile option that would be removed... We could defend Jenya while everyone ELSE goes after her and we look better.


If we go with Option Two we hit a potential snag... If she protects herself. But hell, if we take her to the final five why not let her stay until the end??
Honestly if we want style and cool points I say we go with this because nobody else would have the balls to do something so extremely risky.
You're right though, as unpredictable and crazy as she is, she could definitely turn on us with no warning at all and we'd be in very big trouble...


If we go with Option Three we're safe. BUT... who would be our third Misexile?



Option 1 would be the most risk without most reward.
Option 2 is HUGELY risky and the riskiest overall but it DOES have great potential benefit.
Option 3 is safe... we won't have to worry but there's no benefit beyond that.



I'm torn... I think either way we can win the game. Do we want to play it safe and go with what we KNOW eliminates the evil traps and games or do we take the risk that we're over those now?

Either way we're going to win... Depends on how we want to do it.

[Jason]

UNVOTE Jenya

VOTE Roxy

[Judge Sam]

Alright, hopefully Pete comes back to offer his opinions.

This is why we need listing vote options though guys. :sad It makes these decisions easier.

[Judge Sam]

I'm really hoping you two can decide if either of you see this get on AIM or refresh this often I don't want a repeat of that last one!

[Pete]

Ok, you know what Jason, I agree with you here. If we do win, I want to win with some style....yes, we could potentially be throwing away a very easy spies win (and seeing as spies havent won in ages we should technically just go for the win) but I want to do this too.... I say plan B it as well....

UNVOTE: JENYA
VOTE: ROXY

[Judge Sam]

You picked Roxy. Thanks for choosing.

[Jason]

Well, the huge risk has been taken.... Lets hope this pays off! Either way we're either winning in style or going down in style... I like it!

[Pete]

Yeah, I think we have proven by being the most trusted people in the group that if we wanted to, we could have easily have won if we wanted to take the boring route. I think we have gotten style points by doing this move and even if we lose, people should still remember what we did and how we still got so close even whilst doing the riskiest of imprisonments.

[Jason]

We'll always be remembered as the Spies with Balls, no matter the outcome