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Post by Thor on May 26, 2009 9:10:17 GMT -5
let's not ignore all sense of when certain things were said. i've spoken with levi and i feel, though the evidence against him is somewhat agreeable, a lot of it is being built off of blending together of when certain things happened. just keep it in mind. kirsten, that second quote is a paraphrasing from something said far before the first one.
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Post by Kirsten on May 26, 2009 10:04:16 GMT -5
let's not ignore all sense of when certain things were said. i've spoken with levi and i feel, though the evidence against him is somewhat agreeable, a lot of it is being built off of blending together of when certain things happened. just keep it in mind. kirsten, that second quote is a paraphrasing from something said far before the first one. I understand. I'm not jumping to any conclusions about it. I didn't realize the 2nd quote was a paraphrase of something (although it did look really weird in context), which is why I simply want Levi to explain.
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Post by Thor on May 26, 2009 12:15:21 GMT -5
well, it seems like most of this case is built off of levi's differing perceptions on mei yun, when, as he's told me, his mind changed throughout the couple of days. all of these chats are being construed as if they happened at once, and that he told people that he had different opinions on her at the same time, when in fact they all come from very different points in time.
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Post by Levi on May 26, 2009 17:40:14 GMT -5
There is a difference between voting on vibes and voting on evidence. I had a cit vibe from Mei Yun, while there was evidence being brought against her. I was debating whether to vote based on my vibe, or if I should vote based on the evidence present by others. I ended up voting based on evidence that I found myself. I have yet to see the evidence against Mei Yun, and therefore am not suspicious of her. If I see this evidence, I may be persuaded to vote her. Explain? The first quote was me explaining why I considered voting Mei Yun, even though I got a cit vibe, as I said in a conversation. The second quote is a paraphrase of a conversation I had before I had seen the evidence against Mei Yun, one that happened earlier than the one that caused the first quote.
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 1, 2009 4:24:12 GMT -5
well, it seems like most of this case is built off of levi's differing perceptions on mei yun, when, as he's told me, his mind changed throughout the couple of days. all of these chats are being construed as if they happened at once, and that he told people that he had different opinions on her at the same time, when in fact they all come from very different points in time. Actually, no, that's wrong. It has nothing to do with his perception of Mei Yun changing over time. That portion of the case is based around him saying that he found the suspicions leveled against Mei Yun to be framing her, but yet added her to his list of people he might exile anyway. That took place in a single chat, not across several days. Besides, this isn't even the main point against him. The the main suspicion is that he kept up a list of 4 players who he was equally suspicious of up to when he eventually voted Roxy. I don't honestly believe he was equally suspicious of those players. Anyway, that's not the reason I'm resurrecting this thread, I just thought I'd comment on it while I'm doing so. Mei Yun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *cries* I'm really sorry that you had to go so soon. You were one of the very few people whom I trusted 100%. I was completely honest with you, and now the Spies have crossed the line. No more Mr. Nice Levi. From the goodbye thread. You trusted Mei Yun 100%? Even though she was one of the people who was on your episode 1 list of possible people to exile? *raised eyebrow*
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Post by Levi on Jun 1, 2009 12:21:31 GMT -5
I'll go ahead and say it, we had an alliance. We both completely trusted each other . . . starting Episode 2.
Another case of time not being factored into an argument. But thank you for resurecting this thread, I needed to pull a quote from here for a different argument.
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 1, 2009 17:53:45 GMT -5
That's not my point. Why? What changed? She was on your list episode 1 and somehow made it to 100% trusted status? This has nothing to do with time being factored into an argument (and Thor is wrong on that point anyway).
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Post by Thor on Jun 1, 2009 21:11:51 GMT -5
so people's opinions can't change?
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 1, 2009 21:20:32 GMT -5
Over the course of one episode she went from suspect to 100% confirmed? I'm not saying opinions can't change, I'm simply asking "why?"
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Post by Thor on Jun 1, 2009 21:27:21 GMT -5
well, it seems like this entire argument against levi is about the fact that his opinion of mei yun changed, and ignorance of human error. forgetfulness is rarely a scumtell in my experience.
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 1, 2009 21:37:30 GMT -5
Again, no, that's not the point. Re-read the arguments against him if you think that is at all the point being made here. Where have I argued that Levi is forgetful thus he's a spy? Where have I argued that he's a spy because his opinion of Mei Yun changed?
However, citizens have reasons for changing opinions of players. Do you think it's truly criminal for me to question Levi on how one of his suspects went to 100% confirmed over the course of one episode? Does that not strike you as odd at all?
Your characterization of the case against him isn't right. If you believe that the case against him is what you've suggested, then you are missing the point.
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Post by Donald on Jun 2, 2009 0:13:13 GMT -5
Levi, you said you an alliance with Mei, so was your claiming you were considering voting her to try to "throw people off" and make other players not think you had this alliance?
What made you two form this alliance and decide to trust each other 100%? Do you think she was being framed? What made you believe this?
If Mei was being framed, who were all the players you think were involved in framing her? How was she framed?
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Post by Amelia on Jun 2, 2009 3:10:03 GMT -5
Another Kirsten/Donald connection.
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Post by Kirsten on Jun 2, 2009 3:41:09 GMT -5
Another Kirsten/Donald connection. Donald posted once in this thread. Today. I started this thread last episode and have posted in it numerous times. How is this a Kirsten/Donald connection at all?
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Post by Donald on Jun 2, 2009 9:45:05 GMT -5
Another Kirsten/Donald connection. What? What are our previous Kirsten/Donald connections? How is this a Kirsten/Donald connection?
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Post by Levi on Jun 2, 2009 11:22:50 GMT -5
Over the course of one episode she went from suspect to 100% confirmed? I'm not saying opinions can't change, I'm simply asking "why?" Through the course of the first episode, I had some one-on-one conversations with her. Each time I got the feeling that I could trust her more and more. By the end of the the first episode, I felt that an alliance with her would be a smart move. At that time I believed her to be 100% cit. I don't know any better way to explain it then that. Levi, you said you an alliance with Mei, so was your claiming you were considering voting her to try to "throw people off" and make other players not think you had this alliance? What made you two form this alliance and decide to trust each other 100%? Do you think she was being framed? What made you believe this? If Mei was being framed, who were all the players you think were involved in framing her? How was she framed? No. The alliance with Mei did not start until the second episode. I only considered voting for her in the first episode. See my response to Kirsten's quote about the Mei alliance. The reason I thought she was being framed was because many different people said they would vote her, very quickly. The speed at which people started saying that they would vote Mei suggested a quick bandwagon. The "case" that was built against her was based on her personality and one little thing that Georgia interpreted to be a scumslip. Mei jokingly asked Georgia if she was a Spy pregame. Georgia used this, in addition to apparent "scumtells" in her personality, to build a "case" against her. Another Kirsten/Donald connection. Huh? I don't get where you are coming from on that at all. But I do have one interesting point to bring up. Notice how Donald only started pursuing the case against me after a case had been brought up against him. It seems like he is trying to save his own ass by attacking another player.
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Jenya
Jenya
Knew Something Was Off About That Emo Freak...
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Post by Jenya on Jun 2, 2009 11:50:22 GMT -5
Levi, someone PMed a bunch of us this quote yesterday:
spies6levi (7:39:40 PM): Hi Levi! spies6levi (7:39:47 PM): Who, Melecio is here
spies6levi (7:39:55 PM): why did I say hi to myself? spies6levi (7:40:02 PM): I honestly don't know why I did that spies10Melecio (7:40:07 PM): maybe you type in wrong window spies10Melecio (7:40:09 PM): spy
Saying hello to yourself is a sign of split personality--perhaps the good and evil sides of you in conflict. I apologize if someone already suggested this to you, but I think an herbal remedy is in order. I think taking a tablet of primrose and a folic acid/vitamin C booster every night before bed might help you exorcise your inner spy before it takes hold of you.
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Rey
Rey
Amor del Rey
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Post by Rey on Jun 2, 2009 13:07:51 GMT -5
Good job for noticing that, Jenya. There is a chance that he was controlling spies10melecio, and accidently spoke to himself using the wrong AIM account.
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Rey
Rey
Amor del Rey
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Post by Rey on Jun 2, 2009 13:08:20 GMT -5
That would also explain why he sat the last two challenges out, the two that spies10melecio participated in.
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Post by Levi on Jun 2, 2009 13:25:23 GMT -5
That would also explain why he sat the last two challenges out, the two that spies10melecio participated in. That night I was so tired that I was kind of loopy, so I said hi to myself. No you idiot, don't try to hide our multiple personality disorder now.
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Faith
Faith
Daddy's Dead Princess
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Post by Faith on Jun 2, 2009 16:33:26 GMT -5
I'm just posting in here to mention that I'm not positive that Levi is a spy anymore. I read the chat that I believe Gretchen posted with Jaya where she agreed with this case on him. So I'm wary about that.
Still watching Levi but not enough to get my vote.
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Post by Donald on Jun 2, 2009 16:49:06 GMT -5
Good job for noticing that, Jenya. There is a chance that he was controlling spies10melecio, and accidently spoke to himself using the wrong AIM account. Didn't Sam say players from past Spies games not playing in this game were the ones who were playing the futures?
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Post by Judge Sam on Jun 2, 2009 17:48:27 GMT -5
Good job for noticing that, Jenya. There is a chance that he was controlling spies10melecio, and accidently spoke to himself using the wrong AIM account. The future people are not playing in this game.
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Rey
Rey
Amor del Rey
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Post by Rey on Jun 2, 2009 19:39:56 GMT -5
Oh alright. Levi you do really stupid things, haha.
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Post by Gretchen on Jun 2, 2009 22:46:17 GMT -5
Levi, I called the alliance between you and Mei Yun very early on. Both of you denied it to me when I asked you both in separate AIM IM's. Why is that? And why are you suddenly telling us you were in an alliance with her now? Why not tell us before and lie about to me when I asked you way back in Episode One?
Sincerely, JFG.
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Post by Georgia on Jun 2, 2009 23:32:11 GMT -5
Levi. You are lying. I did not use the pregame "spyslip" in my case against Mei.
You may not have been in an alliance in Episode one, but you sure were confidants. Especially when you schemed up a plan to catch spies.
If scheming up a plan to catch spies, doesn't lean towards an alliance.. then what does?
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Post by Levi on Jun 3, 2009 9:29:26 GMT -5
Levi, I called the alliance between you and Mei Yun very early on. Both of you denied it to me when I asked you both in separate AIM IM's. Why is that? And why are you suddenly telling us you were in an alliance with her now? Why not tell us before and lie about to me when I asked you way back in Episode One? Sincerely, JFG. Mei Yun is now Imprisoned. No point in hiding it anymore. When people know of an alliance, they can use it to their advantage. I'll explain more later about that if you want. Levi. You are lying. I did not use the pregame "spyslip" in my case against Mei. You may not have been in an alliance in Episode one, but you sure were confidants. Especially when you schemed up a plan to catch spies. If scheming up a plan to catch spies, doesn't lean towards an alliance.. then what does? You were the first peron who brought it up, according to Mei and what I had seen. You did in fact use it. Also, I am not aware of this plan we concocted. We concocted no such plan. It is true that we talked about Spy suspicions, but I talked about Spy suspicions with as many people as I could that episode (and still do!) What on earth would I have to gain for lying about this?
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Post by Levi on Jun 3, 2009 10:43:27 GMT -5
At Georgia: I couldn't find you mentioning it exactly in a post, but I know you were spreading it around in chats. Here's proof: Mei Yun: Last but not least, Mei. Where should I begin? I have been suspicious of her for a long time, and I thought it was quite ironic that we both had each other on the top of our suspect lists. I guess it was her bubbly personality, it was just too happy. I was also rather shocked that she just blurted out suspects from the start. When Georgia told me about the slip up that Mei said to her, it got me even more thinking. So I guess she is my top suspect unless she can prove me otherwise.
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Roxy
Roxy
Dead Queen Bitch.
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Post by Roxy on Jun 3, 2009 14:06:51 GMT -5
It-
You posted that about the slip in the chat thread before the first exile. If you really weren't using the idea of the slip in your case against Mei Yun why the hell did you even mention it in the first place?
Doesn't make sense.
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Post by Levi on Jun 3, 2009 17:11:17 GMT -5
It- You posted that about the slip in the chat thread before the first exile. If you really weren't using the idea of the slip in your case against Mei Yun why the hell did you even mention it in the first place? Doesn't make sense. For those who don't know, It is Roxy's name for Georgia.
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