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Post by Mei Yun on May 22, 2009 20:12:32 GMT -5
Well we have to talk on the forums also sooner or later. Sometimes I find it handy to just do that! So let's make use of the space give to us ok?
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Post by Faith on May 22, 2009 22:23:03 GMT -5
Just going to post my opening thoughts on the amazing people that I have current opinions on now. I haven’t talked to some of you yet but I’m excited to do so! <3<3
Mei Yun – I feel from talking with her she is a citizen. She asks questions, she’s not afraid to give her opinions and so on. She started the Roxy case, with good reasons from what I can read. I myself don’t know if Roxy is a spy personally as I’ve never spoken with her but some of the stuff she says does look suspicious. It could be an inexperienced player but this isn’t about Roxy so I’ll stop.
Levi – I also currently feel from talking to Levi that he gives off citizen vibes. Seems to be searching for spies to me.
Iris – I really wish I had been able to talk to her more! I really don’t have much to go off on her right now but again I still feel like she gave off citizen vibes from the group chats I’ve been in with her. Haven’t spoken to her in a bit though. Don't remember reading why she voted for Robert.
Mirela – I still have no real opinion on Mirela as I’ve still not talked to her personally. I also currently don’t remember seeing her say why she voted for Callahan or that she was even going to do so in the burg. I’m thinking I might have missed it though. Her posts do seem helpful and thoughtful though from the ones I’ve seen!! Neutral
Robert – If I didn’t vote for Callahan I would have voted for Robert. I have no real case against him other than the fact he gave me weird vibes from the short chat we had and his weird coming out of left field case against Yvette. I also found it odd how he immediately assumed Jenya was a spy with Callahan when she mentioned he could be a citizen. It could just be his aggressive way of trying to connect spies, but it still seemed weird to me. I’ll have to look into the Almathea thread more closely as apparently she was hating on him.
Khaled – Khaled has an interesting way of finding spies that I’ve never seen before!! I found his analysis post extremely fascinating. (<3 <3 for the links! There’s stuff in here I’ve never even thought about when looking out for spies!) I know that numbers and statistics can easily be skewed and his methods go way over my head but I currently feel he is a citizen. +Callahan felt he was a citizen
Paris – Didn’t vote for the spy in his group and Rey’s case on him in the burg is interesting. Would be my #1 suspect at this point in time but would like to hear his side of the story and would like to talk to him personally!!
Faith – looks totally cute in her new dress <3 cit for sure!
Jason/Jenya/Gabriela/Ellis – Dunno anything about them but citizen points for voting out a spy!!
Everyone else, which I think is just Boris, Amelia and Oswald, I have no opinion on at all.
Much love! <3
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Post by Iris on May 23, 2009 15:08:05 GMT -5
I'm going to follow Faith's example because I will not have much time to post today. Here are some thoughts and I'll flesh them out tomorrow.
Mei Yun – I haven't talked to Mei Yun since Day One so I'm completely neutral on her.
Levi – I need to talk to him, we've never spoken apart from pleasantries as far as I remember.
Faith – I need to talk to her more...I'm leaning Citizen but there's something I need to ask her now as I'm rereading her post above.
Mirela – I was pretty damn convinced that Mirela was a spy during Episode One. Callahan convinced me I was wrong about that wasn't due to her not knowing that Spies got their alignments before citizens. Nevertheless, Mirela stayed on Callahan's case, and I believe voted him. Callahan told Mirela he'd convinced me not to vote her. I believe if she were a Spy she'd not have tried to vote him out when he was defending her.
Robert – My vote for Robert was a pure "do no harm" vote. Half an hour before the exile I came online, talked to Callahan, and he convinced me that not only was he a citizen, that he probably had a role. I tried to get him to claim to save himself (I have the chat transcript, which I'll post tomorrow) but he wouldn't, saying it would do no good. I couldn't vote Callahan any more in good conscience, even though he assured me changing my vote would do no good at that late hour. I moved my vote to Robert because I knew he was in no danger of Exile and I had no other suspect in our group at that time. Nevertheless, I have some questions for Robert regarding the Callahan affair now.
Khaled – I'm fully confident that he's a citizen and his approach is a unique contribution. In my case, it's leading to a wrong conclusion, but Khaled, there's some data you don't have on my actions in Episode One.
Paris – I haven't spoken to him much. Rey's argument that he tried to save Alma is compelling though.
Jason/Jenya/Gabriela/Ellis – I have spoken to you hardly at all but my secondhand impressions of you are positive. If you see me on chat and I don't get there first, hit me up, please.
Boris I haven't spoken to once I don't think, and Amelia and Oswald, I didn't even know you were in this game!
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Post by Jason on May 23, 2009 15:13:28 GMT -5
I'm going to wait to get to talk to everybody before I start weighing in, I'd rather have something to say about the people I don't really know yet, which is... like most of you, sadly
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Post by Oswald on May 23, 2009 17:54:17 GMT -5
Iris I have been logged on to my Oswald AIM for almost 48 straight hours. I haven't seen you pop up yet. If you'd like to chat I am more than available.
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Post by Oswald on May 23, 2009 18:58:12 GMT -5
Congrats to all that stayed.
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Post by Paris on May 23, 2009 20:13:48 GMT -5
Sorry I've been busy with work guys! I will be off of work tomorrow 8PM est and hopefully be on by 10pm and spend tomorrow and monday to chat.
Take Rey's case against me as you will but hearing my side would be good as well before you come to a conclusion.
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Post by Jason on May 24, 2009 0:02:45 GMT -5
OK I might not be able to be online very much tomorrow guys, I'll try to check the forums once or twice so posts or PMs with gossip would be awesome, if anything big happens anyways
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Post by Levi on May 24, 2009 9:50:56 GMT -5
Here's the way I see it for this team.
SPY SCALE: 1 No one
SPY SCALE 2-4 (AKA Leaning Cit) Mei Yun Ellis Iris Amelia Jason Oswald
SPY SCALE: 5 (On the fence) Gabriela Mirela Faith Boris
SPY SCALE: 6+ (Who I will be focusing my investigations on) Paris Khaled Jenya
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Post by Mei Yun on May 24, 2009 11:03:32 GMT -5
Stop this nonsense ok? Can we use our left brains a little bit more?
1. We can't like do a rundown of everybody because like we have not like talked to everyone! Obviously everything there would be "I need to talk to him/her more".
2. Numbers mean nothing Levi. You are trying to quantify suspicion, which really mean s nothing. Also, I notice that you have spy scale 6 on the most popular suspects. I don't know if that is a coincidence but I suggest you expand your suspect list!
What you should do here? Post about your FORMER TEAM MATES who may be in this group. I think that would be more useful information right? For example like this!
Levi - Despite the accusations against him, I really think he is a cit. I suggest you have a one on one with him and I think he is very insightful. The only problem I have with him right now is the number scale that says very little.
Amelia - Also a good player but is once again under the radar after the inactive vs active debate subsided. She voted Kirsten and I am not sure if she pursued her own investigation and what evidence she found out. If you catch her online, make the most out of it.
Boris - Boris I am not sure. He did not ask me any questions and we discussed more about my defense last time than discussing other players, maybe Roxy. I think he is smart. Definitely not sure on his alignment.
Oswald - I'm sick of talking to him on AIM and it is like dumb to not to have an opinion on him. What I say? Oswald is a smart, Cit who is fairly new to the game. I believe I have had a couple of instances where he is keeping an eye out for suspects with reasonable logic.
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Post by Mei Yun on May 24, 2009 11:58:23 GMT -5
Khaled, you didn't give me a back rub. You owe me one rundown of your former team mates.
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Post by Levi on May 24, 2009 13:03:13 GMT -5
I'd be happy to oblige.
Mei Yun - Active and not afraid to speak her mind. I know that some people have raised suspicions about her in the past, but the evidence against her was based on vibes and interpretations. Hence, she is on the low end of my scale.
Amelia - I agree with Mei on this. She is VERY under-the-radar, but from the few times that I've talked with her, she's had intelligent views. She isn't afraid to speak her opinion when she's online, and is more than likely a citizen.
Boris - Who? Aside from one group chat and his intelligent presence on the forum, I don't know that much about him. He seems pro-town, but I can't write him off without speaking with him further.
Oswald - Right there with Mei Yun on me thinking he is cit. I showed him the case against me, and he came right out and said that he was slightly suspicious of me. He seemed very sincere in his arguments, and was very willing to listen to me defend myself. These are all cit tells to me.
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Post by Oswald on May 24, 2009 18:11:00 GMT -5
I am having a hard time formulating opinions on people...and I think its pretty funny that Iris and Faith called me out on being quiet and not around, and I have YET to see Iris online. I did talk to Faith finally and she seems pretty cool, but people please stop calling me out.
On to my thoughts...
I haven't talked to these people so I don't have opinions yet: IRIS, MIRELA, JASON, PARIS
I have barely talked to these people so I have no idea: AMELIA, FAITH, ELLIS, BORIS
People from my old group and my opinions: MEI YUN - biggest bitch in the game. The most condescending player in the game, BUT she knows her stuff and will call you to the carpet everytime. She really actively wants people to do their job, which to me is a big Citizen read.
BORIS & AMELIA - They were on and strong in our original team but haven't seen them since, so they could be vacationing in the countryside for all I know. Together??
LEVI - He said it best, I am suspicious of him still. If you read the Leave Eye? Spy? thread you will see why. I think he is quick to change his mind within the same conversation. Not sure if that is a sign of Spy-ness or just eagerness to bust a Spy. Time will tell on this one but I am watching him still.
New friends I have met... GABRIELA - We have had one really good chat. She is an eager Spy Hunter and she and I have a lot of the same suspicions. She seems to really want to get down to finding another Spy and I am getting a good Citizen vibe from her right now.
KHALED - Seemed like a very nice person but a bit unfocused. Everytime we've talked its been very disjointed, but I do get the feeling that he is a Citizen, this is just a gut right now, we'll need to talk more.
JENYA - Jenya is an odd bird. I have talked to her like 3-4 times now and I always have to remind her that I am on her team, and she doesn't seem to remember a lot of things. She just always seems distracted. Now being flighty is not necessarily means for being a Spy, but not being able to connect with people is going to hurt Jenya, in my gut I need to watch her more closely as we move forward and see if she can really connect with people and if she is focused on finding Spies.
That's my asssessment so far, again I haven't talked to a lot of people yet.
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Post by Faith on May 24, 2009 18:25:56 GMT -5
Just pointing out Oswald that I never called you out for not being around. Like, all I said was I hadn't spoken to you yet at the time. *shrugs*
Little update from me
Oswald - Like he mentioned we havn't spoken a lot but I sense he is looking for spies so I'd lean citizen at the moment.
Levi - After really reading Kirsten's case and asking Levi questions on it I really think he's looking suspicious from it. I'm moving him from citizen to likely spy.
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Post by Iris on May 24, 2009 21:01:52 GMT -5
Oswald, that was my mistake. I thought I had you on my AIM buddy list but I didn't, so I couldn't have seen you online.
I've added you now. Missed your IM before (I left AIM on but was out of the house) but I'm here now.
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Post by Oswald on May 24, 2009 22:44:50 GMT -5
Iris, we'll find each other soon I'm sure.
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Post by Khaled on May 25, 2009 0:02:04 GMT -5
Note that this is just collated observation; I haven't extensively examined activity, actions, or associations yet. For Episode 1 reads on players from my team, go here: spies6.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg90999&action=display&thread=618Gives stuff on Iris, Mirela, and Faith. Changes since then: Mirela--decrease to Neutral neutral; she gunned for a Cit. Lack of activity due to absence doesn't let me comment further. Faith--increase to Neutral neutral. Her posts have increased in content and her stances have become stronger, pushing her back to cit range. Iris--No change. Her posts since analysis haven't pushed her in either direction. People I haven't previously been on a team with:Oswald--Heavily available and very talkative (from what I hear with other people). Unfortunately, we seem to have an extended game of AIM tag happening. Regardless, this type of communication reflects positively. Jenya--We've chatted, but not extensively. She has been putting herself out there though, and thus has a positive view. Mei Yun--Has been badgering me to write this post for some time now. She has a slightly positive lean, but her posts have items that could be questionable as well as opposite. Levi--Currently on a "wait-and-see" basis. He's had to defend himself extensively, and I haven't had enough time to pick apart the arguments thrown at him as well as those he's thrown back. Leaning negatively on him. Paris--See Levi. Jason--His activity/content ratio isn't good--he seems to be around more than he's contributing. Leaning negative, but I haven't yet quantified this. Others--your presence on the board and my interactions hasn't appreciably happened yet. We should do something about that.
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Post by Jason on May 25, 2009 1:42:29 GMT -5
Jason--His activity/content ratio isn't good--he seems to be around more than he's contributing. Leaning negative, but I haven't yet quantified this. Is getting rid of a Spy not good content? JW...
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Post by Mei Yun on May 25, 2009 1:44:11 GMT -5
Why don't you write your own review Jason instead of leaving one liners everywhere and ellipsis. I know one spy last season LOVED ellipsis!
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Post by Iris on May 25, 2009 11:16:44 GMT -5
Khaled, I need to talk to you one on one, your opinion of me is missing some crucial information.
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Post by Jason on May 25, 2009 12:38:47 GMT -5
Why don't you write your own review Jason instead of leaving one liners everywhere and ellipsis. I know one spy last season LOVED ellipsis! Because this weekend has been really busy for me and I haven't had a chance to talk to new teammates yet... I'll be online AIM tonight and will talk to whoever I can and will go from there, but like I said earlier I don't want to make a fluff post of "I don't really know this person. Oh, I haven't talked to this person yet. I don't have enough to go on with this person, but..." you know what I mean? All that does is dilute and distract from the relevant analyses going on, and which I plan on adding to when I have something worth adding.
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Post by Boris on May 25, 2009 13:52:14 GMT -5
I shall being online for the first 2 hours of the scheduled chat. I will be back around 11 CMT also, to be available to talk. I hope to see you all there, because I am not seeing many right now.
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Post by Mei Yun on May 25, 2009 13:59:50 GMT -5
How about your old teammates in our team, Jason? You read that part in the quotes but you missed the bolded part of my post? And we don't have a serious analysis anywhere going on in our group, more of it has been done by the active players from the OTHER group. And they have their own threads.
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Post by Amelia on May 25, 2009 14:13:28 GMT -5
Vacation's over. Sad, but now I'm back!
OK, so previous teammates:
Mei Yun - Very Citizenish with her tone and her style. I know people from our previous team were suspicious of her, but if she's a Spy, I'll eat my shoe.
Levi - I feel good about trusting him for now. He's a bit of a pot stirrer and can be a little overly suspicious of people, but he's good at getting people talking and reacting, which helps to catch Spies. I doubt he's a Spy.
Oswald - We haven't really interacted a lot, so I can't formulate a solid hunch on him, but if I were to guess, I would say he's probably a Citizen and maybe a Spy who's trying to stay at a neutral level of participation...not too much, not too little.
Boris - I started by thinking he was probably a Citizen, then flip flopped on him a couple of times. I haven't really chatted much with him and his posts seem helpful, but I do wonder if he's playing helpful Spy. Of the four, he is most likely a Spy.
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Post by Jenya on May 25, 2009 14:16:47 GMT -5
It's extremely unlikely that I will vote for Jason, Ellis or Gabriela. I have a decent amount of confidence that they are good guys. Moreso with Jason and Ellis, but pretty decent vibes from Gabs, with whom I think I've spoken a little less.
I have questions about Levi, Paris and Faith. Nothing clear cut, but circumstantial evidence has been accumulating.
I am confused about why Iris would go along with her group's plan, not vote Callahan, and not really try to save him. I need to find her thought processes from last Thursday.
Amelia, Boris, Mirela, Oswald I don't know much about at all. Boris seems to have decent judgments, but they also match the popular consensus.
Mei Yun I don't know much about but she is pretty aggressive and a motivator, which is a good thing if she is a cit.
I have a few hints that Khaled might be a good guy but I don't know him that well and we need to talk a lot more.
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Post by Jenya on May 25, 2009 16:47:17 GMT -5
I have a few new thoughts about our group.
First, after rereading Paris's words at Exile, I am torn between thinking he was genuinely skeptical of our team's actions and wondering if his spy partners suggested he switch from begging for Roxy to begging for Almathea:
spies6Paris (6:36:11 PM): So between Callahan, Roxy, Alma, which would Ariel do hmmm Sorin the Seeker (6:38:25 PM): Who do you guys think should be saved? spies6Paris (6:38:30 PM): Roxy spies6levi (6:38:36 PM): I think Almathea should be saved spies6Yvette (6:38:47 PM): I think Almathea should be saved. spies6rey (6:39:09 PM): okay save almathea, she's good looking anyways. spies6Paris (6:38:53 PM): roxy is kind of a new development for some reasonf or me. probably because i wasn't involved in the team. spies6Paris (6:39:52 PM): why was our team so unified in the vote against Alma? spies6Paris (6:40:06 PM): Is that a bandwagon or people just knowingly think Alma. spies6Paris (6:40:10 PM): Roxy was divided by half and half spies6Paris (6:40:15 PM): so there was more of a split spies6Paris (6:40:22 PM): so it actually makes sense to save alma as oppopsed to roxy? spies6Paris (6:40:37 PM): but it was so much more unified against her? spies6Paris (6:40:58 PM): unification = spy opportunity to jump on the bandwagon??? spies6Paris (6:41:55 PM): save Alma based on unficiation voting spies6Paris (6:43:01 PM): its a tough decision nonetheless Ariel spies6Paris (6:43:04 PM): Good luck! spies6Paris (6:45:32 PM): dont know how i feel about that. Should have saved Alma i feel. spies6Paris (6:45:46 PM): it was too much of a bandwagon on Alma for team 1. spies6Paris (6:46:01 PM): i didnt expect so many votes for her lol. I was expecting some for jaya as well spies6Paris (6:46:51 PM): cmon SPY spies6Paris (6:46:52 PM): oMG spies6Paris (6:47:09 PM): oops guess im wrong
In one minute, Paris went from wanting Roxy to be saved to wanting Almathea to be saved. Did he make that switch on his own, or did his spy friends see the popular support in the chat for Almathea and tell Paris to make a plea? That would have been pretty risky.
It's also notable that while Iris and Khaled both thought Callahan was innocent, and Iris thought he had a role, that neither spoke up to ask them to be saved. Khaled even made a big deal about "trying to change his vote at the last minute":
spies6khaled (6:36:28 PM): Sam, what was the absolute deadline for voting? Sorin the Seeker (6:37:02 PM): 8:00 PM CDT spies6khaled (6:37:13 PM): Makes sense then.
And Iris said nothing other than:
spies6iris (6:30:22 PM): Sam, do you post a recap of the votes in the Burg?
Perhaps they were worried about defending Callahan in case they were wrong. They definitely lacked the courage of their convictions, though.
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Post by Jenya on May 25, 2009 16:59:41 GMT -5
I caught an inconsistency or two with Oswald and Mei Yun while asking them for their suspicions. More Oswald than Mei. You be the judge--is it a flip or a matter of degree? Also, it's a bit odd that Mei doesn't know how Oswald feels about her but not quite as big a deal. spies6Jenya (1:44:08 PM): I want to get more into Levi, because it's the case of those three I understand the least. spies6MeiYun (1:46:27 PM): thats one of the reasons why i think hes innocent spies6oswald (1:46:51 PM): I agree with Mei, after talking with Levi I just think he might be young but not a Spyspies6Jenya (1:49:52 PM): Let's share opinions of each other. spies6oswald (1:51:46 PM): Mei Yun, I hate her but she's not a Spy. She's the most active hunter in the gamespies6oswald (1:55:16 PM): I would clear Gabriela and Mei for sure spies6Jenya (1:56:06 PM): Os, who would yo usay your current cases are? Or leanings? spies6oswald (1:56:21 PM): My leanings are Levi and Paris. spies6Jenya (1:56:27 PM): Levi = spy? spies6oswald (1:56:30 PM): yesspies6Jenya (1:56:44 PM): spies6oswald (1:46:51 PM): I agree with Mei, after talking with Levi I just think he might be young but not a Spy spies6MeiYun (1:56:47 PM): oswald suspects you? spies6oswald (1:56:59 PM): you asked who my leanings are spies6Jenya (1:57:11 PM): Can you clarify? spies6Jenya (1:57:18 PM): You just said you agree with Mei Levi is not a spy spies6Jenya (1:57:26 PM): Now you say he's your leaning Spy? spies6MeiYun (1:57:43 PM): oswald suspects levi spies6Jenya (1:57:52 PM): spies6oswald (1:46:51 PM): I agree with Mei, after talking with Levi I just think he might be young but not a Spy spies6oswald (1:57:59 PM): well here's the thing Jenya, we haven't talked to hardly anyone in the game...you asked me who I am leaning towards, since I have very little information I would tend to lean towards Levi and Paris and I guess possibly Irisspies6oswald (1:58:01 PM): HOWEVER spies6MeiYun (1:58:15 PM): oswald suspects me spies6Jenya (1:58:21 PM): No he doesnt spies6Jenya (1:58:36 PM): spies6oswald (1:51:46 PM): Mei Yun, I hate her but she's not a Spy. She's the most active hunter in the gamespies6oswald (1:58:37 PM): I agree with Mei's argument, and after talking with him I just don't think he is a Spy, but I would not say I am 100% safe with Levi yetspies6oswald (1:58:45 PM): Mei I used to suspect you spies6oswald (1:58:51 PM): I think you have changed my mind completely spies6Jenya (1:59:21 PM): Do you guys agree that this last little stretch has been.. odd? spies6Jenya (1:59:28 PM): You don't seem to understand each other. spies6oswald (1:59:40 PM): Well I would agree that I think you are trying to be clever and catch us saying things spies6Jenya (1:59:46 PM): I really didn't try. spies6oswald (1:59:51 PM): You are asking us to make final decisions based on ZERO info spies6Jenya (1:59:55 PM): I'm just looking for consistency. spies6MeiYun (2:00:04 PM): thats what i find from my last chats spies6Jenya (2:00:04 PM): No, I'm not looking for final decisions at all. spies6Jenya (2:00:21 PM): Just leanings, and that was a little weird just now. spies6oswald (2:00:32 PM): Mei I haven't voiced you as a suspect since old camp spies6oswald (2:00:45 PM): Leanings are different from accusations spies6MeiYun (2:00:50 PM): well i can never know for sure spies6MeiYun (2:00:59 PM): the thing is i am basing on what i can quote from our chats spies6MeiYun (2:01:07 PM): i dont want to misrepresent anyone spies6oswald (2:01:17 PM): yes I understand, but I am telling you right now, that I do not think you are a Spy at all spies6oswald (2:01:53 PM): Jenya it is possible for me to still be wary of Levi, but my gut says he is just young and not a Spy...does that make sense?spies6Jenya (2:01:58 PM): But also which way we're leaning on everyone. spies6Jenya (2:02:16 PM): Sure, Oswald, it just kind of sounded like you did a 180 on him in a span of 2 minutes. spies6Jenya (2:02:24 PM): But I hear your current explanation for that. spies6Jenya (2:02:55 PM): If you thought I was forgetful, I'm actually kinda not. spies6MeiYun (2:03:21 PM): for me forgetting things is nothing as long as you come back to it when pressed spies6oswald (2:03:21 PM): no suddenly you have a trap for a memory.
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Post by Mei Yun on May 25, 2009 17:04:58 GMT -5
Jenya, I can always "guess" on how Oswald feels about me but given the nature of your question, I want to be able to back up my claims with proper quotes. Also, given that Oswald was in the room, it would be dumb for me to claim how he actually feels about me, especially if I am wrong. Who was I to speak for him?
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Post by Jenya on May 25, 2009 17:08:43 GMT -5
Like I said, Mei, that was a pretty small deal and maybe not even worth mentioning.
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Post by Oswald on May 26, 2009 1:07:21 GMT -5
I think its good detective work on Jenya's part, but I also think you were forcing us to make accusations, but either way very Citizen like of you!
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